How do you think the universe was created?

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: n7
I'm well aware of that
I was raised in a very religious family, but to me, that still doesn't answer my question, since i have trouble comprehending how something can just always have been there.

It's far above my simple brain.

The way I think of it is like this . First, God exists, separate from time. Meaning that time is something He created and therefore is not bound by. So God doesn't exist anywhere on the timeline, he is above time. We see time as progressing, but God sees the whole thing, like its layed out on a piece of paper and He's looking at it.

In my head I see God sitting at a desk, looking at our Universe on what appears by his perspective to be simple a 2D piece of paper. To me, that's how ridiculous it is for us to be able to claim God cannot exist... the gap between our realities is probably much more wide than this allegory shows.

 

[Orsorum]

The Universe as we know it expanded from a singularity into an ocean of plasma and fledgling particles and eventually cooled and swirled into what we know today. Before that I know not, but it bothers me not, for I will see it not. I am more concerned with my future.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
The Universe as we know it expanded from a singularity into an ocean of plasma and fledgling particles and eventually cooled and swirled into what we know today. Before that I know not, but it bothers me not, for I will see it not. I am more concerned with my future.

You will die.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: Orsorum
The Universe as we know it expanded from a singularity into an ocean of plasma and fledgling particles and eventually cooled and swirled into what we know today. Before that I know not, but it bothers me not, for I will see it not. I am more concerned with my future.

You will die.

As will we all.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
But the nothing I'm talking about is a quantum vaccum and I assure you something can come from it.

So you are not really talking about "nothing" at all, but something, namely a quantum vaccum.

which is?

"The vacuum has turned out to be rich with complex and unexpected behaviour. They envisage it as a state of minimum energy where quantum fluctuations, consistent with the uncertainty principle of the German physicist Werner Heisenberg, can lead to the temporary formation of particle-antiparticle pairs."

The existence of this highly chaotic energy realm behind matter, which is the accepted conception of quantum vacuums by some parts of the scientific community, is most certainly not equivalent to "nothing."

Energy and chance are products of "something", not a separate entity from it. Therefore, one cannot employ pure chance as an instigator for the creation of "something" from real nothingness. Quantum vacuums most certainly hold many answers for our universe, but they cannot explain its ultimate origination.

 

[Tool]

"It was the samurai"

 

[IGBT]

...BANG....

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
But the nothing I'm talking about is a quantum vaccum and I assure you something can come from it.

So you are not really talking about "nothing" at all, but something, namely a quantum vaccum.

which is?

"The vacuum has turned out to be rich with complex and unexpected behaviour. They envisage it as a state of minimum energy where quantum fluctuations, consistent with the uncertainty principle of the German physicist Werner Heisenberg, can lead to the temporary formation of particle-antiparticle pairs."

The existence of this highly chaotic energy realm behind matter, which is the accepted conception of quantum vacuums by some parts of the scientific community, is most certainly not equivalent to "nothing."

Energy and chance are products of "something", not a separate entity from it. Therefore, one cannot employ pure chance as an instigator for the creation of "something" from real nothingness. Quantum vacuums most certainly hold many answers for our universe, but they cannot explain its ultimate origination.

Quantum vacuum = what was previously thout to be nothing

Better quote::
"The quantum vacuum is thought of as a seething froth of real particle-virtual particle pairs going in and out of existence continuously and very rapidly. Each of these strange pairs consists of a particle and its antiparticle, one of which has a negative energy and is thus called "virtual". Out of a singularity in space, which by definition really is nothing, the pair simply comes into existence. Why? Because the probability exists -- as simple as that. The virtual particle with negative energy is doomed to a very short life in our real Universe of positive energy and must immediately recombine with its real partner -- particle cancels antiparticle and positive energy cancels negative energy -- back to the singularity. The quantum vacuum is considered to be a dynamic condition of equilibrium in which this reversible process is occurring everywhere extremely quickly."



To get a universe:

" In the Inflation model, our Universe starts out as a rapidly expanding bubble of pure vacuum energy, with no matter or radiation. After a period of rapid expansion, or inflation, and rapid cooling, the potential energy in the vacuum is converted through particle physics processes into the kinetic energy of matter and radiation. The Universe heats up again and we get the standard Big Bang."

 

[mjrpes3]

There has always been something, because it is not possible that there was a time when there was nothing. Even before the big bang, or quantum vaccum, or whatever new scientific theory there is out there that explains creation, there must have been something. For if there was nothing, absolute nothing, there would always be nothing, since something cannot come out of nothing. But what does it mean to say there was always something? Isn't that a paradox? An infinite chain of causal connections in the past and the furture seems an absurdity. So there must have been been an unmoved mover to begin this chain of causal connections. But an unmoved mover doesn't make any sense, either. For an unmoved mover is something, yet we are trying to explain how this something came about. Why is there something and not nothing?

Face it, there is no logical answer. Yet there has to be one, because we know that we are something.

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: n7
I'm well aware of that
I was raised in a very religious family, but to me, that still doesn't answer my question, since i have trouble comprehending how something can just always have been there.

It's far above my simple brain.

The way I think of it is like this . First, God exists, separate from time. Meaning that time is something He created and therefore is not bound by. So God doesn't exist anywhere on the timeline, he is above time. We see time as progressing, but God sees the whole thing, like its layed out on a piece of paper and He's looking at it.

In my head I see God sitting at a desk, looking at our Universe on what appears by his perspective to be simple a 2D piece of paper. To me, that's how ridiculous it is for us to be able to claim God cannot exist... the gap between our realities is probably much more wide than this allegory shows.

Originally posted by: newParadime
God is really a non-corporeal being made of pure energy esisting in ten dimensions. He used his vast power to turn some of his energy into matter (e=mc^2), and thus our 3 dimensional subuverse was born.

I did it. I sucessfully bridged religion and science, the world will nevar be the same!!!

Lol

~new

God does not exist outside of time, he simply exists in a higher dimension of time.

Think of it this way. When you look at painting from the front you see the whole thing, but wen you look at the side, from the perspective of 2D creatures (were they to exist), you could only see a small part of the picture. Our 3D perspective allows us to see entire 2D things all in one instant. This is my belief in how God can 'see' all of our time and space in one instant.

 

[JoeKing]

God farted


Actually following string theory (which requires faith) I believe the big bang is the result of dimensional membranes colliding against each other.

Sort of like an OT get together.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
Which brings us back to square one, science can't tell us how it happened at all.

To say that it _cannot_ becomes once again a statement of faith. What we can say from a scientific standpoint is that science _currently does not_ tell us what happened.

ZV

 

[BrokenVisage]

The more intriging question I have is WHEN was the universe created? And what was there before even that, if anything! I know we can now trace around when a Big Bang happened with background radiation in space, but I'm interested to know what there was even before that.