Yoiu mean the laws that exist after the creation of a universe which may or may not hold true for other universes or lack of?
Hmm, according to quantum mechanics: virtual matter/antimatter pairs are brought into existence and destroyed all the time. So yes, something can come from nothing, and often does.
But the nothing I'm talking about is a quantum vaccum and I assure you something can come from it.
Also the law of conservation of mass and energy is broken all the time. The time scale it happens on is what matters.
Don't worry even if we know what happened before the big bang you can still place God before, in, or outside of that.
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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him and without him was not anything that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
That is how I believe the universe came into being.
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That is how I believe the universe came into being.
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While I agree with what you say, I am compelled to point out that what you have just said is a statement of _faith_ and _NOT_ a statement of science. Given that we only have observable and experimental data from the period of time during which this universe has existed we cannot have any scientific basis for believing that the probability distributions which govern the actions of this universe (as per Quantum Theory) have any validity whatsoever outside of the time period which coincides with the existence of our current universe.
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Simple. As we have no data whatsoever for any time period other than the time period in which this universe exists, we have absolutely no scientific reason to believe that the rules which apply to our current universe (which are not, in fact, rules, but rather probability functions) would apply prior to the existence of our universe.Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
What?
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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Simple. As we have no data whatsoever for any time period other than the time period in which this universe exists, we have absolutely no scientific reason to believe that the rules which apply to our current universe (which are not, in fact, rules, but rather probability functions) would apply prior to the existence of our universe.Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
What?
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Which brings us back to square one, science can't tell us how it happened at all.
Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
What?
Before Planck time we have no real understanding of what sort of physics governed the universe*. Before the big bang is a bigger mystery* (well currently anyway). Just because our observable laws were set forth by these events does not mean that our laws governed said events.
*I guess I should say that this is not entirely true because the universe gives us "hints".
He doesn't have to be created (if he exist). He can exist outside of the "nothing", he can evolve through many incarnations of the universe retaining information from each, or he can be a product of the universe as we are.
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I'm well aware of that
I was raised in a very religious family, but to me, that still doesn't answer my question, since i have trouble comprehending how something can just always have been there.
It's far above my simple brain.
And how could god know he's eternal if he's all alone, maybe he just hasn't died yet
Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Originally posted by: n7
I'm well aware of that
I was raised in a very religious family, but to me, that still doesn't answer my question, since i have trouble comprehending how something can just always have been there.
It's far above my simple brain.
And how could god know he's eternal if he's all alone, maybe he just hasn't died yet
If God exists as a product of the universe he exist from the beginning to the end. Basically this is eternal relative to the existance of the universe.
If he exists in "nothing" he would likely have always existed by the nature of "nothing" or he was an evolving product of "nothing"
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