How can you really fault them for it? It's not a common name in the US, and most people have probably never heard Bach's first name. You can't really expect everyone to know the correct pronunciation of every possible name 
yo-han, as in "Luke Skywalker was trying to attract captain Solo's attention, so he shouted 'Yo, Han!'"
My last name is Karaszewski, can you pronounce that? I've met about 5 people in my life that pronounce it correctly without asking me first.
My last name is Karaszewski, can you pronounce that? I've met about 5 people in my life that pronounce it correctly without asking me first.
Originally posted by: Muzzan
How can you really fault them for it? It's not a common name in the US, and most people have probably never heard Bach's first name. You can't really expect everyone to know the correct pronunciation of every possible name
that's pretty sad that you believe that. most people have NEVER heard Bach's first name??
and, it is annoying to me that they continue to mispronounce it after i have corrected them.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
figures you would.
ignorant rednecks in general annoy me.
I've never been called a red neck before. I thought one had to live in a small american town full of cow patties to be called a red neck. <shrug>
There was a girl in my class in Grades 3-8 Her name was Johann, we pronounced it as Jo(e)+ann.
i dont see why you guys are getting so upset...everyone mispronounces my name because its a german name but in the US it would look like its pronounced differently...
who gives a f*ck...just correct them and move on
who gives a f*ck...just correct them and move on
Originally posted by: notfred
yo-han, as in "Luke Skywalker was trying to attract captain Solo's attention, so he shouted 'Yo, Han!'"
My last name is Karaszewski, can you pronounce that? I've met about 5 people in my life that pronounce it correctly without asking me first.
if Dostoyevsky had written a novel "the brothers Karaszewski", you bet your @ss i would have been able to pronounce it.
i can pronounce dostoyevsky after all.
Originally posted by: notfred
yo-han, as in "Luke Skywalker was trying to attract captain Solo's attention, so he shouted 'Yo, Han!'"
My last name is Karaszewski, can you pronounce that? I've met about 5 people in my life that pronounce it correctly without asking me first.
<phonetic> Ka-Ra-Zoo-Ski </phonetic> ?
Just my half-assed guess. Feel free to smack me about if I got it wrong.
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Originally posted by: SaltBoy
Just be grateful your last name isn't Nguyen. Mine isn't, but the people who lived in our place before us had that last name. The telemarketers butchered it badly!
Nguyen is easy.... but then again i watch too much TV and know how to pronounce it from Dustin and Hien Nguyen.
If most people had heard Bach's first name, wouldn't they get your name right the first time? Face it, classical music isn't exactly the big thing nowadays
I can see how that would be annoying.
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Whatever.
My last name is Dunne. Pronounced like "Done". It's a VERY irish Name. Here in the states it's pronounced "Done", in Ireland it's pronounced "Dune".
I've had my last mispronounced as "Dune-nay" as well.
Not everyone is a phonetic god/goddess.
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Muzzan
How can you really fault them for it? It's not a common name in the US, and most people have probably never heard Bach's first name. You can't really expect everyone to know the correct pronunciation of every possible name
that's pretty sad that you believe that. most people have NEVER heard Bach's first name??
and, it is annoying to me that they continue to mispronounce it after i have corrected them.
you underestimate stupidity. Proof
you are missing HALF of my point.
read thru. there is a VERY VERY FAMOUS Person with this name. no one pronounces his name as Jo - Ann, well mb YaYo would, but that's a topic for another discussion.
it shows real ignorance, and when i point out to people, that it is pronounced the same as "Johann Sebastian Bach" people are surprised that it's spelled that way.
it is ignorance.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
nice to meet you JoAnn.
in my case it's doubly weird because I'm Korean.
the name was given to me by my father and it's really a bible name as the name John appears in the greek as Johann and was transliterated into the Korean bible as JoHann.
Technically that's not true. John is translated as Yianni (you know, like the singer) or maybe Ioanni (pronounced ee-oh-ah-ni). Greeks technically don't have a "J" in their alphabet so it couldn't be written as Johann (although I guess it could be possible that the ancient greek alphabet had a "J" but I'm not familiar with that alphabet). If you really wanna split hairs greek names and words are downright butchered when they get translated to english.
If, for example, you were to take a psychology class and the teacher starts talking about the psyche and he/she wanted to flex their intellectual muscles he/she would probably say that the greek pronunciation of the word is su-kay. Now that word is nowhere close to the real greek pronounciation which is psee-hee (no, it's not spelled that way but that's the best way to write it with the proper pronounciation).
Anyway, that's all I got to say about that.
Originally posted by: Cougar
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
nice to meet you JoAnn.
in my case it's doubly weird because I'm Korean.
the name was given to me by my father and it's really a bible name as the name John appears in the greek as Johann and was transliterated into the Korean bible as JoHann.
Technically that's not true. John is translated as Yianni (you know, like the singer) or maybe Ioanni (pronounced ee-oh-ah-ni). Greeks technically don't have a "J" in their alphabet so it couldn't be written as Johann (although I guess it could be possible that the ancient greek alphabet had a "J" but I'm not familiar with that alphabet). If you really wanna split hairs greek names and words are downright butchered when they get translated to english.
If, for example, you were to take a psychology class and the teacher starts talking about the psyche and he/she wanted to flex their intellectual muscles he/she would probably say that the greek pronunciation of the word is su-kay. Now that word is nowhere close to the real greek pronounciation which is psee-hee (no, it's not spelled that way but that's the best way to write it with the proper pronounciation).
Anyway, that's all I got to say about that.
you are doing it backwards, it's not how you translate the english John to modern greek, the name John is derived from the classical greek, iohan
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Honestly I know Bachs full name and I listen to some CDs of his music every few months. Yet I've never seen it written (the CDs just say Bach). Call me ignorant if you wish, I just haven't been exposed to it. So at first glance Johann looks misspelled but quickly you realize that it is written correctly. As for reading names off a list - sometimes you just glance so quickly (like if you have to read 100 names in 5 minutes) and you just miss the letter 'h'. If your mind skipped the 'h' in your haste, then Jo Ann is the correct pronunciation of the word you thought you saw. I would never make the mistake twice for the same person, but I could very easilly understand someones eyes skipping that one letter.Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
you are missing HALF of my point.
read thru. there is a VERY VERY FAMOUS Person with this name. no one pronounces his name as Jo - Ann, well mb YaYo would, but that's a topic for another discussion.
it shows real ignorance, and when i point out to people, that it is pronounced the same as "Johann Sebastian Bach" people are surprised that it's spelled that way.
it is ignorance.
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That was actually my next point. Many people have heard the name in dialog, but have never seen it written in full along with it. It's usually just "Bach".
And another point is - how many people that work entry level CSR positions are classical music sawvy? My guess is not many. These positions are usually held by young people, or fairly uneducated people...neither of which would have much exposure (or interest) in classical composers.
yeah i agree...i mean if someone consistantly mistakes it then i could see getting upset...i still dont, i could care less, but seeing it for the first time i could def. see how people would pronounce it wrong
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: notfred
yo-han, as in "Luke Skywalker was trying to attract captain Solo's attention, so he shouted 'Yo, Han!'"
My last name is Karaszewski, can you pronounce that? I've met about 5 people in my life that pronounce it correctly without asking me first.
if Dostoyevsky had written a novel "the brothers Karaszewski", you bet your @ss i would have been able to pronounce it.
i can pronounce dostoyevsky after all.
Nope. But you say you'd be able to pronounce it if someone famous had that name? Well, not everyone is interested in famous people, whether they're classical composers or pop music stars. Most people have heard of "Bach". Probably most of them have heard of "Johann Sebastian Bach" at one point or another, but that doesn't mean they care to remember it. Do you know Jack Nicholson's middle name? Probably not, but why should you? Should you automatically know the pronunciation of "Favre", just because there's a famous football player by that name?
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: notfred
yo-han, as in "Luke Skywalker was trying to attract captain Solo's attention, so he shouted 'Yo, Han!'"
My last name is Karaszewski, can you pronounce that? I've met about 5 people in my life that pronounce it correctly without asking me first.
if Dostoyevsky had written a novel "the brothers Karaszewski", you bet your @ss i would have been able to pronounce it.
i can pronounce dostoyevsky after all.
Nope. But you say you'd be able to pronounce it if someone famous had that name? Well, not everyone is interested in famous people, whether they're classical composers or pop music stars. Most people have heard of "Bach". Probably most of them have heard of "Johann Sebastian Bach" at one point or another, but that doesn't mean they care to remember it. Do you know Jack Nicholson's middle name? Probably not, but why should you? Should you automatically know the pronunciation of "Favre", just because there's a famous football player by that name?
Let me ask you this, BEFORE Favre became the Packers qb and AFTER, do you thing the pronunciation of the name "favre" changed because of Brett Favres presence??
so YES, famous people do make a difference. and YES, the existence of famous people with a certain name will change my expectations regarding how many random people i expect to hear pronouncing the name correctly or incorrectly.
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