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How do you carry a gun while jogging?

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PhoKingGuy said:
QFT, You're in LB right?

Latinos usually don't bother you unless you give them a reason to though. I've been to the ghetto parts of Santa Ana for tacos at like 1 AM and never have had a problem.
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Was in LB, back in Riverside now, in LB I jogged with no issue, and it was definitely one of the less desirable areas of that town. In bad areas with gang members, the gang members 999/1000 only mess with other gang members. You could get robbed anywhere, the 1 time I was robbed was when I was working at a corner store, in a very decent middle class area.
 
I am definitely unprepared to protect myself when I run. I carry nothing - not even a key.

I've often idly wondered what would happen if someone tried to rob me. Everything I'm wearing combined is probably < $50 when I got it new, and is certainly not sellable today =P And who wants to rape a skinny Asian guy?

I guess random (unmotivated) violent crimes do occur but they've got to be an order of magnitude rarer than violent crimes with motives which are already somewhat infrequent.
 
You shouldn't get a gun, rather you have to see a doctor and try to cure your paranoia.

And considering your degree of paranoia, it's a good thing that you're not a white cop in a black neighborhood.

Try to go jogging to psychologist office without a gun first....


SpatiallyAware said:
We all know that it's very possible to be attacked, even in your own safe neighborhood.

How do you carry while jogging or bicycling? I have a p238, so it's a fairly small gun, and I usually carry it in a pocket holster. However, I'd like something that stays up against my body.

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I'm not completely against open carry but I prefer concealed.


I was looking at something like this:

http://concealedcarryforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21803

But that seems about twice as big as I need.



How do you carry your gun?
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Gintaras said:
You shouldn't get a gun, rather you have to see a doctor and try to cure your paranoia.

And considering your degree of paranoia, it's a good thing that you're not a white cop in a black neighborhood.

Try to go jogging to psychologist office without a gun first....
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Yeah because in the USA no one ever gets accosted.
 
QueBert said:
Was in LB, back in Riverside now, in LB I jogged with no issue, and it was definitely one of the less desirable areas of that town. In bad areas with gang members, the gang members 999/1000 only mess with other gang members. You could get robbed anywhere, the 1 time I was robbed was when I was working at a corner store, in a very decent middle class area.
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The mafia <> gangs.

It's interesting you believe gangs don't look to mess with non-gangs though.
 
alkemyst said:
The mafia <> gangs.

It's interesting you believe gangs don't look to mess with non-gangs though.
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Why is it interesting? I live in a gang infested area, they literally ignore me. They really don't have time to mess with average white people. Gang members are on the look out for other gang members and police, I'm of no concern to them. I can't speak on the Mafia as I've never lived in a mafia area. But having lived in 4 different "hood" areas I can attest I never felt unsafe. And was never approached or fucked with in any way shape or form. Animals can sense fear, if you act scared around a dog they might bite you. I've never had a dog bite me though. So there's obviously something to not living life scared and paranoid.
 
QueBert said:
Why is it interesting? I live in a gang infested area, they literally ignore me. They really don't have time to mess with average white people. Gang members are on the look out for other gang members and police, I'm of no concern to them. I can't speak on the Mafia as I've never lived in a mafia area. But having lived in 4 different "hood" areas I can attest I never felt unsafe. And was never approached or fucked with in any way shape or form. Animals can sense fear, if you act scared around a dog they might bite you. I've never had a dog bite me though. So there's obviously something to not living life scared and paranoid.
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Wow...so you admit you live in dangerous place, never felt in danger, and don't do anything to protect yourself?

I don't walk around scared and paranoid, but my life puts me in situations that I now stand out.

However, I don't think you really understand all these GANGS you live around if you believe other gangbangers and watching for police are their main objectives.

I thought you were black though. Didn't know you were white. In that endevour, it was probably your story-telling.
 
Imp said:
...The one that's more intolerant, more closed-minded, and biggoted.

Instead of telling you about my story of living in the most culturally-diverse city in my country, I'll just use your logic.

One group is made up of 95% lower class African Americans/blacks. They are 95% homogeneous. Therefore, they will have less conflict.

The suburban neighbourhood with a mix of middle to lower class whites, Asians, South Asians, Arabs, etc. will go ape shit.

Oh ya, and my neighbours are Jews, we have a Roman Catholic church on the same block, the rest of the street are Italians, one or two Asian families, some Eastern Europeans, some regular white people too... You should see the wars we have.
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I said all other pertinent factors being equal. That includes socioeconomic level, living conditions, everything. Yes conflict as a whole usually decreases as a function of resources and education. That's irrelevant to my argument.

If you take two groups and the only difference between them is the magnitude of the differences between individuals/sub groups, the group with the most variety will have significantly more conflict of various types.
 
Juked07 said:
I am definitely unprepared to protect myself when I run. I carry nothing - not even a key.

I've often idly wondered what would happen if someone tried to rob me. Everything I'm wearing combined is probably < $50 when I got it new, and is certainly not sellable today =P And who wants to rape a skinny Asian guy?

I guess random (unmotivated) violent crimes do occur but they've got to be an order of magnitude rarer than violent crimes with motives which are already somewhat infrequent.
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If you look well-to-do (ie: wearing expensive workout clothing or whatever), they might assume you've got something worth stealing. Also if you don't carry a key, do you just leave your doors unlocked or something?
 
QueBert said:
Why is it interesting? I live in a gang infested area, they literally ignore me. They really don't have time to mess with average white people. Gang members are on the look out for other gang members and police, I'm of no concern to them. I can't speak on the Mafia as I've never lived in a mafia area. But having lived in 4 different "hood" areas I can attest I never felt unsafe. And was never approached or fucked with in any way shape or form. Animals can sense fear, if you act scared around a dog they might bite you. I've never had a dog bite me though. So there's obviously something to not living life scared and paranoid.
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There is. And 9 times out of 10 if you don't look like an easy target and don't go down any dark alleys they won't risk it. Especially in daylight. But if there's several of them and for whatever reason they decide you're worth it... good luck. You can call that paranoid, but it does happen. Especially if you live in a "hood area". Look up the crime stats for your region. If it really is a "hood area", and you think you're immune to those statistics, well best of luck to you.
 
irishScott said:
If you look well-to-do (ie: wearing expensive workout clothing or whatever), they might assume you've got something worth stealing. Also if you don't carry a key, do you just leave your doors unlocked or something?
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I used to have a fake rock in my side yard where I could conceal a key.
 
irishScott said:
I'm glad reports of joggers being mugged on the trail in broad daylight are so rare where you live. In many areas that is not the case.
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What are these scum mugging people for? Their ipods and headphones?


Truth be told, I never put much thought into what might happen to me while running. Well, actually, I have, but I've had the attitude of "deal with it if it happens." I'll probably get myself shot/stabbed fighting back, but whatever. I'm single and without kids so that's my attitude on that matter. 😛

But hell, I don't know if I'd even want to run with anything bulky/weighty like that. Running with something strapped that's not small, and I mean actively running, not lightly jogging (or cycling), that would be bothersome. As in, training for pace, doing fartleks, intervals, or just doing whatever distance... not to mention the chafing potential. ugh

Even with headphones in, I do try and keep attentive to my surroundings - watching the suspicious types and whatnot... usually I even start planning escape routes from where I am at that point. 😀

But man, even with my city being absolutely shitty in recent times (Toledo), we've got some decent parks where there hasn't been any trouble reported (that I've heard), and even running through the lower/(middle?) middle-class neighborhoods - with some riffraff - that I do, I haven't felt threatened. I usually head to parks just for the better scenery, no traffic, and smoother paths (paved or packed) than the pothole-ridden neighborhood roads around here, and not to avoid threats.

But yeah, I guess devices that cost a couple hundred retail are a decent enough grab if you are enough of a lowlife to actively mug someone like that. Grabbing something left behind is one thing, but mugging... yeah I'd actually not want to carry anything, because I'd probably get in trouble for shooting someone if I was mugged.
 
destrekor said:
What are these scum mugging people for? Their ipods and headphones?


Truth be told, I never put much thought into what might happen to me while running. Well, actually, I have, but I've had the attitude of "deal with it if it happens." I'll probably get myself shot/stabbed fighting back, but whatever. I'm single and without kids so that's my attitude on that matter. 😛

But hell, I don't know if I'd even want to run with anything bulky/weighty like that. Running with something strapped that's not small, and I mean actively running, not lightly jogging (or cycling), that would be bothersome. As in, training for pace, doing fartleks, intervals, or just doing whatever distance... not to mention the chafing potential. ugh

Even with headphones in, I do try and keep attentive to my surroundings - watching the suspicious types and whatnot... usually I even start planning escape routes from where I am at that point. 😀

But man, even with my city being absolutely shitty in recent times (Toledo), we've got some decent parks where there hasn't been any trouble reported (that I've heard), and even running through the lower/(middle?) middle-class neighborhoods - with some riffraff - that I do, I haven't felt threatened. I usually head to parks just for the better scenery, no traffic, and smoother paths (paved or packed) than the pothole-ridden neighborhood roads around here, and not to avoid threats.

But yeah, I guess devices that cost a couple hundred retail are a decent enough grab if you are enough of a lowlife to actively mug someone like that. Grabbing something left behind is one thing, but mugging... yeah I'd actually not want to carry anything, because I'd probably get in trouble for shooting someone if I was mugged.
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Bulky? I'm not running with a 1911, a fully loaded p3AT/LCP is less than a pound. Clip on nylon IWB holster + tightened draw string = comfortably secured, usually on my back-right side (interferes the least with leg motion). Aren't you army? Thought you guys were trained to run with like 80 lbs of crap.

In my case I run on some local trails, and I have to drive a short distance to get there. So if someone robbed me they'd have immediate access to my car and everything in it (wallet, cell phone, etc). Like I said the odds are ridiculously low, but that doesn't make them negligible. Besides we've had some rabid foxes around here lately. If I encounter one of them it'll be just as useful.

At the local high school there was a recent fight, apparently over $2. No one seriously hurt, but if the stakes are higher than that, and adult criminals are involved...
 
irishScott said:
Bulky? I'm not running with a 1911, a fully loaded p3AT/LCP is less than a pound. Clip on nylon IWB holster + tightened draw string = comfortably secured, usually on my back-right side (interferes the least with leg motion). Aren't you army? Thought you guys were trained to run with like 80 lbs of crap.

In my case I run on some local trails, and I have to drive a short distance to get there. So if someone robbed me they'd have immediate access to my car and everything in it (wallet, cell phone, etc). Like I said the odds are ridiculously low, but that doesn't make them negligible. Besides we've had some rabid foxes around here lately. If I encounter one of them it'll be just as useful.

At the local high school there was a recent fight, apparently over $2. No one seriously hurt, but if the stakes are higher than that, and adult criminals are involved...
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Trained to do things with equipment, and training by means of intense cardio to push beyond limits, are different. Plus, I'm a Reservist. 😛
Better cardio endurance/fitness improve the ability to handle that equipment while on the long haul, but it doesn't work to the same degree in reverse.

The way things are going, I probably should carry while running. I'd rather not lose $300 worth of electronics, and if I drove somewhere, I probably have a single key stashed on me somewhere.

I am not, however, one of those ones who don't ever expect something to happen. But I am one of those ones who does have the sense that, on average, the lowlifes don't fuck with other people who don't appear to be a soft target - and more importantly, they don't look afraid. There are exceptions, but random targets are usually crimes of opportunity as opposed to a major push by gangs or anything (we have increasing gang violence here, and it is indeed mainly directed at their own ilk - without gang associations, it's still that way 9/10 times).

With that said, where I frequent, I don't feel like I'm swimming through shark infested waters...though with that flashy shit I got, the blood is in the water if the sharks are nearby, hungry, and in a position to satisfy that itch.

I wouldn't classify myself as NOT paranoid, because in some ways I am, but I wear a game-face and try to not put myself in the worst possible situation to begin with. And I am also bold enough to feel I could react, though I am usually the quieter type IRL. More importantly, I do have a hyper-awareness of sorts - in comparison to most people - as I am a very attentive individual, even with headphones on (probably more so because of a sense being reduced at that point - just like while driving with loud music 😀)
But it's more of a "well fuck it - I'm not going to stress is that much"

Oh, and there's that whole "I don't have a CCW Permit" thing going on, and the ability to afford a decent firearm, as priorities are elsewhere at the moment.

Honestly, whenever I do get around to getting a permit, an effective firearm that I can also run with easily will also probably be a key item of importance when shopping. I'll probably reference this thread (if it can still be found 😛) for a good holster and at least give it a few trial runs.
 
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