How do vegans get low density lipids?

[J.Wilkins]

I'm scratching my head on his posts too. A true vegan diet is whole plant foods: Fruits, vegetables, legumes, grains. Nothing refined whatsoever, so I'm not sure which foods he's talking about when you pick 'em straight from the ground.

If he's talking about things like vegan cheese, or vegan mac'n'cheese, or boca burgers and stuff like that, then yeah that's not real vegan even though they put that label on it.

No, I'm talking about a MASSIVE carbohydrate dose which contains mainly fructose from fruits and veggies.

The addition would have to be beans and rice so you'd get at least some of the 8 essentials and then none of the Omega3 but overloads of the Omega6 which is the combo most notable for heart disease that we see in overeating all eaters but since you'll get there with just a tiny bit of the required calories you'll get there with 800Kcals a day.

There is NO way to get the Omega3 essential fatty acid through dietary means. You may think, safflower oil or flaxseed oil but for humans those are Omega6 oils since we lack the enzyme activity to transverse those into the Omega3 EPA which is an essential oil.

Look, you go walk with the shephard and eat the grass as you wish, but this bullshit that a vegan diet is in any shape or form healthy has to be called out on what it is.

In my granddaughters school a kid was taken to the hospital after fainting, his parents thought that a vegan diet was right for him after the age of 8... It's not a normal or healthy diet for anyone, anywhere, at any time.

You keep doing it for moral reasons if you wish but don't promote it as healthy because it sure as fuck isn't and keep your kids out of your political bullshit and let them eat healthy while you starve yourselves of vital nutrients.

 

[PeterScott]

Enjoy your feminine, muscle fatigue lifestyle but don't wink at the wrong bull, son.

So eating berries is feminine? You have gone of the deep end if you think berries are going to shrink you muscles.

Maybe a byproduct of trying to run your brain on fat ketones.

As I said, I am omnivore. I am not the one practicing an the most extreme unnatural fad diet.

Look up the Blue Zones sometime and see what they eat, these are the zone where the healthiest, longest lived people on earth live. Their diets are overwhelmingly plant based.

You aren't going to find any traditional long lived, healthy groups eating zero carb, high fat ketogenic diets.

 

[Tweak155]

Vegetarian food sources only, did i get that wrong?

Vegetarians will eat certain foods that vegans won't - cheese for example. But they don't only seek out meat-substitute type meals (such as veggie burgers) or processed foods as you seem to illustrate.

I imagine some do, but for the most part I don't think that will be the typical vegan person you come across. You can find the extreme people for any type of diet, but for some reason vegans are broadly thought of as extreme outside of those that actively think about their diet (not that others don't also think of vegans as extreme ).

While I'm not 100% vegan or vegetarian, I have reduced my meat intake to ~1 meal per week (instead of 2 meals per day!) and I eat cheese probably a few times per week. I find that eating mostly plants just makes me feel better without any changes to my daily exercise routine.

 

[Crono]

Bookmarked, going to try making some this weekend.

Tried the aquafaba butter recipe. Very easy, and it does taste remarkably like butter. Texture is slightly more like coconut oil solidified, but that may be because I whisked rather than used an immersion blender (have to get me one of those).

 

[Ventanni]

No, I'm talking about a MASSIVE carbohydrate dose which contains mainly fructose from fruits and veggies.

The addition would have to be beans and rice so you'd get at least some of the 8 essentials and then none of the Omega3 but overloads of the Omega6 which is the combo most notable for heart disease that we see in overeating all eaters but since you'll get there with just a tiny bit of the required calories you'll get there with 800Kcals a day.

There is NO way to get the Omega3 essential fatty acid through dietary means. You may think, safflower oil or flaxseed oil but for humans those are Omega6 oils since we lack the enzyme activity to transverse those into the Omega3 EPA which is an essential oil.

Look, you go walk with the shephard and eat the grass as you wish, but this bullshit that a vegan diet is in any shape or form healthy has to be called out on what it is.

In my granddaughters school a kid was taken to the hospital after fainting, his parents thought that a vegan diet was right for him after the age of 8... It's not a normal or healthy diet for anyone, anywhere, at any time.

You keep doing it for moral reasons if you wish but don't promote it as healthy because it sure as fuck isn't and keep your kids out of your political bullshit and let them eat healthy while you starve yourselves of vital nutrients.

I think there's a lot more to that child's story than we currently know about. You can't immediately attribute the vegan diet as the culprit if the child was eating processed vegan "chicken" nuggets all day long. That's not healthy, let alone even vegan.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I think there's a lot more to that child's story than we currently know about. You can't immediately attribute the vegan diet as the culprit if the child was eating processed vegan "chicken" nuggets all day long. That's not healthy, let alone even vegan.

Well a few babies have died after their parents fed them vegan diets. I have never heard of babies dying from non vegan diets.

 

[Ventanni]

Well a few babies have died after their parents fed them vegan diets. I have never heard of babies dying from non vegan diets.

To be fair, I wouldn't restrict my kids to grass and wood chips, either. Kids need lots of calories, and pizza is delicious. Let 'em eat. And btw, I am, in no way, advocating putting kids on a vegan diet. I don't even like the terminology "vegan". But I still think there's more to it when we see these situations. When infants die and the infant is half the weight they should be for that age, that's just stupid and irresponsible. I don't care what my beliefs are, give the kid a McDonald's hamburger or milk.

As we get older though, we have to think about these things. We are what we eat, and we have a responsibility to ourselves and our society to be healthy. The US has the highest health care costs in the world, and it's directly linked to what we're eating. How about we start voting at the grocery store?

 

[Ancalagon44]

To be fair, I wouldn't restrict my kids to grass and wood chips, either. Kids need lots of calories, and pizza is delicious. Let 'em eat. And btw, I am, in no way, advocating putting kids on a vegan diet. I don't even like the terminology "vegan". But I still think there's more to it when we see these situations. When infants die and the infant is half the weight they should be for that age, that's just stupid and irresponsible. I don't care what my beliefs are, give the kid a McDonald's hamburger or milk.

As we get older though, we have to think about these things. We are what we eat, and we have a responsibility to ourselves and our society to be healthy. The US has the highest health care costs in the world, and it's directly linked to what we're eating. How about we start voting at the grocery store?

Point being, it is possible for vegan diets to be fatal to children. Even if they aren't fatal, they can result in nutrient deficiencies because not only as they low in calories as you say, but they are also low in some critical nutrients required by everyone but especially children. Examples include vitamin B12, folate and the animal forms of Omega 3.

For that reason, a vegan diet is not healthier than a diet containing meat as well as a good variety of vegetables. It is worse for your health to exclude meat than to include it. Of course I am not talking about meat eaters that consume nothing but fast food.

 

[mike8675309]

Point being, it is possible for vegan diets to be fatal to children. Even if they aren't fatal, they can result in nutrient deficiencies because not only as they low in calories as you say, but they are also low in some critical nutrients required by everyone but especially children. Examples include vitamin B12, folate and the animal forms of Omega 3.

For that reason, a vegan diet is not healthier than a diet containing meat as well as a good variety of vegetables. It is worse for your health to exclude meat than to include it. Of course I am not talking about meat eaters that consume nothing but fast food.

Are you trying to say (by calling out veganism specifically) that it isn't possible to have a diet children eat that isn't vegan, and is just as fatal for them? EVERY single report of malnutrition in children I have seen has been specifically due to exactly that, malnutrition. Parents can starve their kids by giving them too much or not enough of anything.

Your claims for folate makes no sense since most green leafy vegetables supply all the folate you might need. Just like meat eaters, for optimum health you need to eat a VARIETY of whole plant foods. B12 and EPA/DHA are easily supplemented. In fact much of the B12 you get from animals is supplemented. They give the animals supplements to get them to produce enough B-12 (https://www.agriking.com/importance-of-cobalt-to-beef-dairy-cattle/)

Omega 3 is a problem for everyone and using fish as a source has it's own health consequences. Supplementation is readily available.