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How do these people get contracts.. bible verses on our military scopes? $660 million

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I think it's kind of funny - "May God guide my bullet." Except we're not trusting our military force to god like the taliban; we trust in our superior training, weaponry, and organization.

As long as the scopes work fine, I don't see a problem.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
Wow considering this news broke in Jan of 2010 you are a little to late in pitching this bullshit reasoning as if it had any validity in the context that the conflict in Iraq was drawing down and free elections were already held. So if anyone was going to judge us on whether we were "Crusaders" vs "Liberators" well the point was made moot when we handed Iraq (and Afghanistan) to the locals, regardless of what the serial numbers on the sights of our soldiers battle rifles. Nice try.
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No one realized they were there before. The Bible verses were removed almost immediately once they became public knowledge and became an issue. So I have no idea what your point is.
 
Throckmorton said:
More like removing the verse references has made it crystal clear to everybody that we are NOT crusaders, we are liberators. If you don't understand how important that is, I don't know what to tell you.
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Yea removing the reference that no one knew about except the loony left, a few others 🙄
 
xj0hnx said:
Exactly, why are you going on and on about a non-issue?
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You're the one arguing in favor of the verses, against Petraeus and the rest of the military. Why do I have to convince you that his assessment was correct?

xj0hnx said:
Yea removing the reference that no one knew about except the loony left, a few others 🙄
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A few others? It became widely known in January. Al Jazeera ran a story.

No one thinks the verses were a good idea except the religious fanatic portion of the far right.
 
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You're the one arguing in favor of the verses, against Petraeus and the rest of the military. Why do I have to convince you that his assessment was correct?
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Where have I argued in favor of them? I am arguing that it is a non-issue, always has been. More loony leftist hysteria.
 
xj0hnx said:
So widely known that even though it was fixed months ago people seem to still think it's relevant, or current? That "widely known"?
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I meant it was widely known that the verses were on the scopes, which is why they had to be removed. You see how pissed Petraeus was? It wasn't a non issue. Period.
 
Throckmorton said:
I meant it was widely known that the verses were on the scopes, which is why they had to be removed. You see how pissed Petraeus was? It wasn't a non issue. Period.
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It was a non-issue then, it's even more of a non-issue now, as the only ones that still seem to care are the irrelevant loony left.
 
Throckmorton said:
No one realized they were there before. The Bible verses were removed almost immediately once they became public knowledge and became an issue. So I have no idea what your point is.
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My point is that your bullshit of, "We did this to win the hearts and minds" was just that bullshit considering that no one cared or knew (It was not a huge secret that these sights had the biblical references considering the tradition started since the founding of the company in the 80's) about the meaning of the serial numbers before, during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Also the argument of, "We had to remove these serial numbers to be seen as liberators vs crusaders" is also bullshit considering the actions we had already taken prior to this news story being brought fourth and the further exposing of the biblical references via the serial numbers on these sights. Our actions in the region prior to this news story had already usurped any claims of us being crusaders.

In the end removing the serial numbers with biblical references on these weapon sights had little to no impact on what we did, how we were perceived and still are viewed in the region.
 
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It was a non-issue then, it's even more of a non-issue now, as the only ones that still seem to care are the irrelevant loony left.
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What? Everybody recognizes that the verses were stupid EXCEPT the "loony right" that is still arguing in favor of the verses in this very thread.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
My point is that your bullshit of, "We did this to win the hearts and minds" was just that bullshit considering that no one cared or knew (It was not a huge secret that these sights had the biblical references considering the tradition started since the founding of the company in the 80's) about the meaning of the serial numbers.

Also the argument of, "We did need to be seen as liberators vs crusaders thus we had the duty to remove change remove these references" is also bullshit considering the actions we had already taken prior to this new story being brought fourth or the further exposing of the biblical references via the serial numbers on these sights. Our had actions in the region prior to this news story had already usurped any claims of us being crusaders, or liberators.

In the end removing the serial numbers with biblical references on these weapon sights had little to no impact on what we did, how we were perceived and still are viewed in the region.
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OK buddy, keep thinking you know better than Petraeus himself. Maybe you should apply for his job.
 
Perhaps the most amusing (or infuriating) thing about Righties is their ability to dumb down entirely, become deliberately obtuse, make a point of failing to perceive the obvious.

This thread fairly reeks of it.

First off, it seems completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus to inscribe a reference to his words on an implement intended to kill other people. Yeh, just to avoid further obtusity, I realize that the rifle sight doesn't kill, but it is part of a system created specifically for the purpose.

Second, I really don't think we're there to Kill for Jesus, and we need to avoid creating that impression, both among our own troops and anybody else.

Or maybe we should just follow the example of the Spanish in their conquest of the New World- Carry the Cross right up front, Kill any of the blaspheming heathens who refuse to convert...
 
Jhhnn said:
Perhaps the most amusing (or infuriating) thing about Righties is their ability to dumb down entirely, become deliberately obtuse, make a point of failing to perceive the obvious.

This thread fairly reeks of it.

First off, it seems completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus to inscribe a reference to his words on an implement intended to kill other people. Yeh, just to avoid further obtusity, I realize that the rifle sight doesn't kill, but it is part of a system created specifically for the purpose.

Second, I really don't think we're there to Kill for Jesus, and we need to avoid creating that impression, both among our own troops and anybody else.

Or maybe we should just follow the example of the Spanish in their conquest of the New World- Carry the Cross right up front, Kill any of the blaspheming heathens who refuse to convert...
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Or the government can just tell Trijicon to knock it off and get a new serial number scheme.

case closed
 
Jhhnn said:
Perhaps the most amusing (or infuriating) thing about Righties is their ability to dumb down entirely, become deliberately obtuse, make a point of failing to perceive the obvious.

This thread fairly reeks of it.
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Now that you posted this it does.

First off, it seems completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus to inscribe a reference to his words on an implement intended to kill other people. Yeh, just to avoid further obtusity, I realize that the rifle sight doesn't kill, but it is part of a system created specifically for the purpose.
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A system designed to kill? Or save the lives of our troops by giving them a superior edge in combat? Point of view is everything.

Second, I really don't think we're there to Kill for Jesus, and we need to avoid creating that impression, both among our own troops and anybody else.
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Very few people even realized the serial numbers had any other meaning, and only the looniest of left are still whining about it.

Or maybe we should just follow the example of the Spanish in their conquest of the New World- Carry the Cross right up front, Kill any of the blaspheming heathens who refuse to convert...
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Yes, because secret serial numbers on scopes are converting muslims in record numbers 🙄.
 
nick1985 said:
Or the government can just tell Trijicon to knock it off and get a new serial number scheme.

case closed
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They already have, and they did, which is why the loony left freaking out on this irrelevant story is even funnier now.
 
Probably most people had no idea what the numbers and letters even meant. So would you rather see some odd scriptual reference or 666 Son of the Devil? I think it is kind of silly to put a scriptual reference on a Gun Scope. Maybe they think God will make the weapon shoot straight and true. I dont think it is a deal breaker, but maybe some muslim or an athiest may not like it. I would be more impressed if they prayed a blessing on each gun sight.

If the sights were defective, that might be important. If the gun sights work, what is the big deal? I think the Govt could demand they replace all the sights if they thought it was important enough. You know someone in the requisition system must have known something about this product if it was a company standard practice.

I see nothing wrong with a religious company selling Gun Sights.
 
xj0hnx said:
Now that you posted this it does.

A system designed to kill? Or save the lives of our troops by giving them a superior edge in combat? Point of view is everything.
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That's a fair point.

Very few people even realized the serial numbers had any other meaning, and only the looniest of left are still whining about it.
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The OP didn't realize the problem was fixed. The loony right is in this thread defending the inscriptions. When I pointed out that the military got kits to remove them, you guys kept defending the inscription and complaining that only the left wing cares. Then when I posted Petraeus's quotes where it's clear that he was angry and realized it was a real issue, some of these loony rightwingers kept arguing for the inscriptions.

Yes, because secret serial numbers on scopes are converting muslims in record numbers 🙄.
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The issue isn't converting Muslims. It's creating the impression that we're on a crusade, which we aren't. That's why Petraeus had a problem with the inscriptions and removed them.
 
Throckmorton said:
The issue isn't converting Muslims. It's creating the impression that we're on a crusade, which we aren't. That's why Petraeus had a problem with the inscriptions and removed them.
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Inscription which they (Muslims) themselves consider valid because after all Muslims do observe and consider the bible as part of their holy texts.

Again this is/was nothing more then false outrage. No one at the time could of said we were "Crusaders" when we already had turned over their nations (Iraq and Afghanistan) to the civilian populace of political leaders. Regardless of the biblical references on the serial numbers of millions of sights on US rifles our actions in handing over these respective nations back to their native populace of leaders spoke louder then these numbers. So in the end the only ones who are intent on pursuing the notion that we are "Crusaders" or have some dilemma as to what we are doing are folks on the left. Anyways I can guarantee you that there are still sights which bear those numbers in service considering the sheer volume of rifles with sights employed by US military personnel.
 
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