Yes you should file a report and get a restraining order.
You should also get a friend to punch him out IMO. :|:disgust::evil:
Shaking someone awake is a physical altercation now?
I don't quite think so... I've shaken plenty of people awake and they never took it as a threat.
Like I said. There was not a physical altercation until she hit him. Sure he "started" it with the words and waking her up, but there wasn't anyting physical until she slapped him. How can you say shaking someone awake is violent? Right...
Originally posted by: Mill
Shaking someone awake is a physical altercation now?No, I'm not losing it of late; I'm just tired of people who defend someone because of their gender.
Like I said. There was not a physical altercation until she hit him. Sure he "started" it with the words and waking her up, but there wasn't anyting physical until she slapped him. How can you say shaking someone awake is violent? Right...
it comes with the AW princess tiara. I think its a combo package. Not everyone is given it, but some are.
Originally posted by: yayo
Originally posted by: Mill
Shaking someone awake is a physical altercation now?No, I'm not losing it of late; I'm just tired of people who defend someone because of their gender.
Like I said. There was not a physical altercation until she hit him. Sure he "started" it with the words and waking her up, but there wasn't anyting physical until she slapped him. How can you say shaking someone awake is violent? Right...
it comes with the AW princess tiara. I think its a combo package. Not everyone is given it, but some are.
Where do you get it, though? is it a gift from the Gods or something?
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So, you're saying that having a vagina should be a license to run around hitting guys without any consequences?
I'm still lost as to how you guys can possibly continue to defend dezign... The girl has the common sense of a brick...
You guys are so gullible.
After all the nonsense, lying, attention whore-ism, and threads like this, we all have the right to punch her wherever we feel like.
Originally posted by: Mill
Shaking someone awake is a physical altercation now?No, I'm not losing it of late; I'm just tired of people who defend someone because of their gender.
Like I said. There was not a physical altercation until she hit him. Sure he "started" it with the words and waking her up, but there wasn't anyting physical until she slapped him. How can you say shaking someone awake is violent? Right...
There's a difference between waking someone up & waking them up crying & screaming obscenities at them.
Guy or girl, anybody who gets waked up like that is going to be immediately on the defensive.
Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Mill
Shaking someone awake is a physical altercation now?No, I'm not losing it of late; I'm just tired of people who defend someone because of their gender.
Like I said. There was not a physical altercation until she hit him. Sure he "started" it with the words and waking her up, but there wasn't anyting physical until she slapped him. How can you say shaking someone awake is violent? Right...
There's a difference between waking someone up & waking them up crying & screaming obscenities at them.
Guy or girl, anybody who gets waked up like that is going to be immediately on the defensive.
Viper GTS
Yeah there's a difference, but it doesn't give her a right to hit me. A slap to the face was not self defense. She said she did it to "get him back to reality or whatever." That's not self defense. That is her being angry and escalating the situation. You don't hit someone unless they woke you up trying to hurt you. Being shaken awake and being cussed at is not grounds to hit someone. Why exactly are you arguing with quoted law here? The law has already been posted. If you want to talk about morality then they were both wrong as well. Either way you slice it they were both wrong. If she files a report she'll get arrested too.
You wake me up out of a sound sleep, shaking me and screaming, damn skippy you are gonna get hit! Thats just human reaction, I wouldn't blame a man who responded like that to a woman either. Fight or flight defense, we all have it.
That's not what happened. She said she was up talking to him and she didn't hit him until he was in her face yelling. Still illegal to do.
I do agree with you Mill, to a point. If a woman hits a man, ie, punches him in the face, then if she gets punched back, she gets what she is asking for. But, slapping someone is no call to punch someone so hard that you bruise them, especially in the chest, thats a dangerous spot to hit. And when that someone is alot smaller than you are, whether you are male or female, that has to be taken into account also. If a woman attacks a man, and he knocks her on her ass by pushing her down, good, it makes me sick when women do that and then cry abuse when the guy protects himself.
But punching someone that hard, who is that much smaller than you is overreacting. And, since we are pointing out facts of the story, he didn't punch her when she slapped him. He hit her when she tried to push him out the door, which means he had some time to recover from the slap, it wasn't just an instinctive reaction.
But punching someone that hard, who is that much smaller than you is overreacting. And, since we are pointing out facts of the story, he didn't punch her when she slapped him. He hit her when she tried to push him out the door, which means he had some time to recover from the slap, it wasn't just an instinctive reaction.
Well I never said that she deserved to get punched because she didn't. Neither one of them should have hit the other. A slap is still battery just like the hit, because the amount of force doesn't really matter in that situation. He shouldn't have hit her and she should not have hit me. The passage of the time and the like are not issues that would be considered legally. I'm speaking from a strictly legal viewpoint. In that viewpoint they both go to jail. All the mitigating factors in the world will not allow the police to NOT arrest them. Most police have had their discretion stripped from them in cases of domestic violence. If she had punched him in the face... she would still not have deserved to be hit back. Same with him. Had he punched her first he had no reason to hit her back. Neither of the blows sound like they were an intent to seriously harm the other party. Thus, it is a simple case of domestic violence with both people being charged with battery.
Letting emotions into this, and who was right... have nothing to do with what she asked. I would advise her to not file a police report, or remove her complaint if possible. In the eyes of the California law she could be arrested and charged with battery just like her ex-boyfriend. Domestic violence is a crime that is easily preventable. People need to learn to walk away and call the police. People are too concerned with their hurt feelings or being right and they end up in jail.
Legality aside... I think she should not have any further contact with him and make better decisions next time. I have no problems with Dezign and I hope nothing bad comes of what she did, but it is borderline insane for anyone to recommend that she file a police report. The laws states that should could be charged and convicted. I'd hate to go to jail over something that I could prevent. The law shifted over the years. It was the man was always right and the police didn't interfere. Then the woman was always right and the man was jailed. Now it is whoever hit the other(regardless of the timeline). So if they both hit each other the police normally arrest both. Now they really don't have a choice because most of the time they are required by law to make an arrest of anyone who battered the other.
People keep trying to argue out of a sense of morality or rightness of the situation. That isn't really applicable to filing a police report that can lead to your arrest. You think legality in those times and not what is proper and accepted.
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Mill
Shaking someone awake is a physical altercation now?No, I'm not losing it of late; I'm just tired of people who defend someone because of their gender.
Like I said. There was not a physical altercation until she hit him. Sure he "started" it with the words and waking her up, but there wasn't anyting physical until she slapped him. How can you say shaking someone awake is violent? Right...
There's a difference between waking someone up & waking them up crying & screaming obscenities at them.
Guy or girl, anybody who gets waked up like that is going to be immediately on the defensive.
Viper GTS
Yeah there's a difference, but it doesn't give her a right to hit me. A slap to the face was not self defense. She said she did it to "get him back to reality or whatever." That's not self defense. That is her being angry and escalating the situation. You don't hit someone unless they woke you up trying to hurt you. Being shaken awake and being cussed at is not grounds to hit someone. Why exactly are you arguing with quoted law here? The law has already been posted. If you want to talk about morality then they were both wrong as well. Either way you slice it they were both wrong. If she files a report she'll get arrested too.
Um, if you get shaken awake and another person is screaming and yelling at you, how do you NOT know that they woke you up trying to hurt you? I think you should see a lawyer about this and not follow the advice of Mill, cause there maybe something that you are missing.
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Mill
Shaking someone awake is a physical altercation now?No, I'm not losing it of late; I'm just tired of people who defend someone because of their gender.
Like I said. There was not a physical altercation until she hit him. Sure he "started" it with the words and waking her up, but there wasn't anyting physical until she slapped him. How can you say shaking someone awake is violent? Right...
There's a difference between waking someone up & waking them up crying & screaming obscenities at them.
Guy or girl, anybody who gets waked up like that is going to be immediately on the defensive.
Viper GTS
Yeah there's a difference, but it doesn't give her a right to hit me. A slap to the face was not self defense. She said she did it to "get him back to reality or whatever." That's not self defense. That is her being angry and escalating the situation. You don't hit someone unless they woke you up trying to hurt you. Being shaken awake and being cussed at is not grounds to hit someone. Why exactly are you arguing with quoted law here? The law has already been posted. If you want to talk about morality then they were both wrong as well. Either way you slice it they were both wrong. If she files a report she'll get arrested too.
Um, if you get shaken awake and another person is screaming and yelling at you, how do you NOT know that they woke you up trying to hurt you? I think you should see a lawyer about this and not follow the advice of Mill, cause there maybe something that you are missing.
Because she got up and started talking to him you dumbass and didn't slap him until LATER. Obviously your personal bias against me is coming out again, but I know for a fact I am correct in my assessment that it would be dumb for her to report this. And why should she consult a lawyer? He's going to say exactly what I said about it. If she doesn't have 300 dollars to fly home at Christmas... I doubt she has the 500-1000 that a lawyer will want. You just came into this thread to attack me, so go shove something up your ass, little man.
"When he found the number, he shook me and woke me up, crying and screaming. Asking me why I continued to "hurt myself" by looking for other guys (i.e. anyone who isn't him). Demanding to know why I couldn't just accept the fact we were "meant to be together". He called me a million and one "colorful" names (use your imagination), and when he came inches from my face screaming "YOU'RE A FVCKING WHORE CVNT SLUT FOR TALKING TO ANY OF THESE NIGGAS WHO WILL NEVER LOVE YOU BUT JUST USE YOU FOR YOUR BODY, I HOPE YOU GET AIDS AND DIE A SLOW PAINFUL DEATH", I slapped him (not hard enough to hurt him, but hopefully hard enough to have him regain his senses... he was making something out of nothing)."
That says right there that she was up and didn't slap him until after he had time to utter multiple cuss words and derogatory statements to her. If you want to post a link to the "sleeping clause" exemption of the California Penal code then feel free to. Have fun looking because no such thing exists, and you are a complete moron to suggest that I don't have any credibility about the issue. If you want to impeach what I am saying you should POST your EVIDENCE that battering someone after waking up is ok. It doesn't matter what human reaction is. She was up and he cussed at her from afar and then moved in. Then she slapped him " to have him regain his senses... he was making something out of nothing." which IS an escalation of force and battery under the California State Penal code. Now shove off Moron.
Right Mill, your somehow a superintelligent 21 year-old, whose legal advice is better than that of a professionals. Some lawyers give free advice, and if your asking who, that includes friends, family, and friends of friends. Although you may not have any, maybe one of Dezign's friends can help her out. You exclude so many options to make yourself look all-knowing. And as for the little man comment, why don't you come over to Brooklyn, NY and myself, a 6'1" 220lb man can talk to you face to face?
So you want to fight because I insulted you over the internet? Go throw some bricks with alkemyst and the other e-thugs. I'm sure they'll be happy to welcome you into their brotherhood. No, I'm not super-intelligent, but I do have enough sense to know that you are a massive moron with the intellect of a steaming cow turd. Not only that, but I also know the law regards issues of domestic violence since it's something I am required to be familiar with. Now would you go eat a bag of hell and throw some bricks? Family lawyers and friends of friends may give advice, but I certainly wouldn't want my problem aired all over my family. I'd never use a lawyer that was family or had ties with my friends. It's not like you have any experience with lawyers, so why not shut up? I'm not excluding options; I'm dealing with reality and I don't derive my sense of what someone should do based on Judge Judy, my heart, or something I read on Geocities. Reality is tough, but I trust my own knowledge in this incident as well as others that deal with it on a daily basis. I see you've yet to contradict JustinT either, but then again you don't have a personal beef with him.
Hey I'm not a real big fan of implicit threats either, so I'd gather you should stop before you get banned. Like I said, if you have something that would impeach my opinion then post it. Otherwise you are just disagreeing with me because you don't like me. You're adding nothing to this thread other than trying to start some e-chest beating. Why not debunk what I said then and get some law and throw it in my face? I know what my textbooks says, I know what other cops have told me, and I know I've done plenty of independent research on it. So either deal with tangible facts here or shut your pie-hole. Capiche? Anyway, I'm going top bed, so feel free to beat your chest in the thread while I'm gone. When I wake up in the morning I'll be sure to reply and shred your post again. BTW, only a few professionals have given their advice in this thread so far and they agreed with my sentiment.
Night Night.
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