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Audiophiles can't tell the difference between fancy cables and coat hangers.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/

You keep painting audiophiles with this really broad and idiotic brush..

We don't all collectively believe cables make a difference, or all sorts of that crazy voodoo that goes on in the forums. The majority of us own a midrange headphone and amp or a decent HT system and/or 2.1 setup for our computers...
 
You keep painting audiophiles with this really broad and idiotic brush..

We don't all collectively believe cables make a difference, or all sorts of that crazy voodoo that goes on in the forums. The majority of us own a midrange headphone and amp or a decent HT system and/or 2.1 setup for our computers...



Thank you for that.

I'll agree, though, that speakers are the one component that can make the most difference. Of course, excellent speakers connected to crap components will cripple the speakers' sound.

Then again, for my computer, I just tossed a Klipsch 2.1 computer speaker setup out in favor of a way old Marantz stereo receiver and a pair of Mission M71 bookshelf speakers I had sitting in my "spares" room. Huge difference in the sound.....better imaging, not as beamy, richer, etc.
 
I don't agree with that at all, in car audio a good amp can make a world of difference when you have good speakers.

Yup.. this is mandatory.. you arent going to get good sound out of a flea market amp.
over a professional quality amp.

BOSS for example.. yuck..
 
You can't tell the difference. There has not been a single documented case of a audiophile being able to discern the sound from different pieces of cheap vs extremely expensive material in a way that was above randomly guessing
lol, you're confusing a test about coat hangers being used as interconnects with the entire audio industry. There is a vast noticeable difference in audio when comparing $5 headphones with $150 headphones. I'm not defending these earbuds or anything over a couple hundred dollars but there is absolutely a difference in audio between cheap and expensive. However, I probably couldn't tell the difference between $200 headphones and $2,000 headphones but that's comparing expensive to ungodly expensive.
 
The audio industry really isn't any different than the wine industry. Each have an endlessly wide range of product pricing with legitimate gains in quality to a point and then gradually going off the deep end in pricing of subjective qualities and exclusive access.

And both can have ridiculously over the top reviews describing the products in a free form string of schizophrenic thoughts.
 
The one thing I never see audiophiles talk about is the hearing ability of the listener. People do not have the same hearing ability and what may sound good to you may suck to me. I used to get in fights with the SO over the settings of the bass and treble on the stereo. She would turn the bass too high and the treble too low, it sounded almost flat to me on the high end. I would turn treble up and she would say it sounded too tinny. The reason we fought is because she has MUCH better hearing than I do. I grew up in the age of hard rock and metal of the 70's and 80's. Where every kid had the speakers and headphones cranked to the point of distortion with lots of guitar solos playing. Now I'm turning 40 and had my hearing checked. My hearing drops off over 12kHZ and by 14khz I cannot hear a single thing. The SO has hearing that drops off over 16Khz and stops at 20Khz. I now understand her complaints. For me to hear the highs like I prefer it hurts her ears. I was really surprised by the hearing test. I couldn't believe that when the output on the screen said 18khz that I wasn't hearing anything, that sound was gone for me and I never realized it before then.

Consider getting your hearing tested and don't be an idiot like I was thinking that turning the headphones to max volume wasn't going to hurt me because I was young.
 
Modelworks,

I'd say it takes time and exposure to a good stereo to learn what to look for and listen to as well. Speakers being #1 things, speaker placement being #2 in terms of importance, and the margin between them very small. You can make great speakers sound way worse than they are supposed to just by positioning.

It took me maybe a month to place mine correctly, inches matter. Damn physics.
 
I don't have anything that crazy, but I do own these:

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IDK why the pic is so shitty, was too lazy to take another one though.

Top silver box: http://schiit.com/products/asgard/
Bottom Black Box: http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=320
Cans: http://usa.denon.com/us/product/pag...roductId=9626a80f-b109-4a3e-b9c1-87ef177af929

basically, high quality audio gear rulz

lol....schiit audio.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that due to car batteries?

Your music is a bunch of waves (duh). The signal waves from a Digital to Analog Converter (DAC) are very low power. To make your large speakers vibrate in the exact pattern of the music waves, you need a lot more power than the DAC puts out. This is what the amplifier does.

Now cost has a lot to do with how good that electronic device can amplify the waves. If you get some Made In China pile of fuck amplifier, you can expect it to do an absolutely horrible job of duplicating the same signal it receives (clean waves in --> distorted shit China waves out). If the shit amplifier isn't capable of putting out enough power, it might also do things like chop off the top of the waves so instead of nice round waves you get a bunch of fucked out Chinese square waves.

Having a really bad amplifier is like having a really bad power supply in your computer. As soon as you run something like Prime95 or a game, it will black screen crash.
 
Your music is a bunch of waves (duh). The signal waves from a Digital to Analog Converter (DAC) are very low power. To make your large speakers vibrate in the exact pattern of the music waves, you need a lot more power than the DAC puts out. This is what the amplifier does.

Now cost has a lot to do with how good that electronic device can amplify the waves. If you get some Made In China pile of fuck amplifier, you can expect it to do an absolutely horrible job of duplicating the same signal it receives (clean waves in --> distorted shit China waves out). If the shit amplifier isn't capable of putting out enough power, it might also do things like chop off the top of the waves so instead of nice round waves you get a bunch of fucked out Chinese square waves.

Having a really bad amplifier is like having a really bad power supply in your computer. As soon as you run something like Prime95 or a game, it will black screen crash.

Holy shit, a well thought-out explanation, am I dreaming? Thanks!😀
 
Having a really bad amplifier is like having a really bad power supply in your computer. As soon as you run something like Prime95 or a game, it will black screen crash.

That is actually closer to the same thing than talking about the amplifier itself. MOSFETS are pretty damn good at amplifying sound and if supplied with the proper power can do the job. The problem with cheap amplifiers is the power supply stage is usually undersized for the rating and when it goes to hell so do the FET. To get the 48-72VDC that the amplifier needs cheap manufacturers use the ringing choke design for power supplies. Switching on current to a coil, turning off the current and capturing the pulse of higher voltage that is generated from the coils field collapsing and storing that in capacitors to power the amplifier. The cost to them is 2 transistors , some diodes, caps and wire. It works but the cost in power loss and heat production can be bad. Better quality manufacturers use switch mode designs with things like comparators and current monitoring to ensure a stable supply.
 
Audiophiles can't tell the difference between fancy cables and coat hangers.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/audiophiles-cant-tell-the-difference-between-monster-cable-and/

In an ideal environment, cables won't mean anything.
For most people, they can get away with using anything that at least can tolerate specific impedances.
The problem is, that is not the case for everyone. For some people, they cannot easily get away with using low-grade materials because they can be more prone to pick up particularly bad interference. And lower-grade mediums might be more prone to general degradation of the signal, if not a loss of some information due to competing information.

Note: lower-grade mediums would refer to wiring that resembles coat hangers. Not going to work in every situation (ignoring length concerns 😛), but could work in many (see previous side-note).
I swear by general store-brand or monoprice large-gauge speaker wire.

Hell, monoprice cables work perfectly even for audiophile situations. I'll argue that till the day I die, unless I get the chance to trial obscenely-expensive speakers for a double-blind audio test between monoprice cables and wiring, and whatever ludicrous materials someone chooses to provide... AND, I'll need to be able to consistently discern between the two.

However, that will not prove true in every situation. Some environments have odd electrical or interference issues, that simply persist and cannot be fixed without gutting everything and trying again. These environments do exist out there, and cause havoc for different issues. But such an environment that can be alleviated by insanely expensive equipment but not general "common brand" equipment, probably isn't a great place for any leisurely pleasures.

But that's just for the interconnections.
The actual hardware for this occasion is extremely important - to a degree.

A discerning ear should be pleased with $2000 total in expenditure on audio equipment. They may wish to spend more, and be more satisfied... maybe $5000 between speakers, subwoofer, receiver, any intermediate devices for more specific processing tasks. Maybe even proper sound control in the room, but that would definitely add to the cost.

To spend upward of $10000 on speakers alone, imho, is a little outlandish, but if you have ears that definitely seem more comfortable while sampling that more expensive gear (I surely hope such a person has sampled speakers while trying to ignore preconceptions of specific brands or models based on prior research...), then if it is your money, then treat yourself however you fancy.

And it's expected that the very wealthy who invest in audio equipment tend to just spring for the most respected brands or models that also cost a pretty penny.

If I could afford, I wouldn't mind spending a couple grand on speakers alone, for example. I've heard higher-end speakers in the same setting as slightly lesser expensive, but still not cheap speakers, and definitely liked them. Again, the high-end that I found prohibitively expensive but definitely better than everything else I've heard, was about $2000/pair front towers. I think the bookshelf speakers were like $500 each. Can't remember the center, probably $700 or so based on bookshelf speaker price.

If that wasn't a huge chunk of my income on speakers alone, I'd do that. Same with receivers over $1000. Can spend far more than that, easily, I'd stick to $1000 or less, think the most expensive I heard was no more than $2000 or so. Besides the awe of listening to such expensive audio, I don't think I experienced anything different from $1000 ones. On higher end speakers, with specific options, might be able to better utilizer ones $1000 or more, but I wouldn't even spend $1000 on a receiver, or even bother with distinct amplifiers, for big-retailer-friendly speakers.

I'm not even sold on the need for even using a separate amp of any sort on such audio equipment I'd consider, as I was more than satisfied by a quality receiver directly driving the speakers and handling the input processing.
 
First the problem most have is the higher end speakers and gear are usually designed for rooms larger than many have.

It's hard to avoid spending $2000/pr on anything decently made. Part of a speaker is the cabinet and quality of that. Most people with a nice place would rather avoid paper-laminated MDF.

Most skeletons will still be MDF, but with quality veneers and better grill material. It's hard to even get a decent set of end tables today for under $500.

The used market IMHO is where many here would get their best bank for buck, especially had high end boutique type audio shops that have consignment.

In my divorce I sold off a $20,000 setup back in 1997...the owner of the shop I purchased everything at gave me a call one afternoon to tell me of his consignment options.

I was leery, but many of the items didn't get much use....a lot were bought for guest rooms and other non-everyday rooms.

I picked up my Klipsch Academy, Quartets, a pair of PSB 300's and a Yamaha RX-V1050 (i think that was the model number) for about $800...the guy selling also gave me a break hearing my situation.

I still have those Quartets and replaced the Academy with another as I sold the original off when I lived in an apartment for a while. (that was a dumb move as I sold it like new with box and manuals for $175, it was $500 to replace it even 5 years later with a peak of almost $750 at one point).

My father was so impressed by the sound and not willing to spend thousands more, decided to hunt for Chorus II's and an Academy.

Recievers have come a long way, at the $300 mark you can get a lot of bang for buck if you don't need an elaborate A/V switching/multi-room setup. Then $500, $1000, $1500, and $2000 open a lot of doors.

TV's are ridiculous now...a great 32-36" set 10-15 years ago was $1500 still (I am sure many are going to say "Hey we had one of the best and it was only $300", but seriously it was not one of the best...people didn't shop that way then...they shopped size and price only as long as it had a major name on it).

I really like my Klipsch. I see no reason to ever change and I have heard a lot of stuff. I will admit many of them look more exotic and cool, but sound quality many times is secondary it seems. Some blow mine out of the water, but with a sticker of $10,000/pr+ they should.

Room also makes up a lot of it. I have been to people's apartments and they have simply place gear far to big for the room and too much of it. You get no separation, no depth of field, etc. They learn that high end audio is a waste from this.
 
You keep painting audiophiles with this really broad and idiotic brush..

We don't all collectively believe cables make a difference, or all sorts of that crazy voodoo that goes on in the forums. The majority of us own a midrange headphone and amp or a decent HT system and/or 2.1 setup for our computers...

Even for someone to describe themselves as an audiophile they would need to be borderline retarded.
 
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