How did Pelosi get where she is?

bob4432

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how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently and on top of that, how has she managed to stay there? who supports her and why?

can you please explain what good she has done?
 

kylebisme

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She does a lot for the powers that be, and in return they give he a lot, including the means to trick the public into keeping her elected. For specific examples check her voting record, it contains little else.
 

marincounty

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Pelosi opposed the welfare reform proposed and passed under Clinton.

She opposed the privatization of Social Security proposed by GW Bush.

"Shortly after winning re-election, President George W. Bush claimed a mandate for an ambitious second-term agenda that would include the privatization of Social Security.[16] Pelosi strongly opposed the privatization of Social Security, and as minority leader imposed intense party discipline on her caucus, leading them to near-unanimous opposition of Bush's proposal.[17] With a unified Democratic Party pushing against the President's plan, Social Security privatization was defeated.[18]"



In 2002, Pelosi opposed the Iraq Resolution authorizing President Bush to use military force against Iraq,[76] while stating that Iraq, like "other countries of concern", had WMD's.[77] In explaining her opposition to the resolution, Pelosi noted that Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet had told Congress that the likelihood of Iraq's Saddam Hussein launching an attack on the U.S. using weapons of mass destruction was low. "This is about the Constitution", Pelosi said. "It is about this Congress asserting its right to declare war when we are fully aware what the challenges are to us. It is about respecting the United Nations and a multilateral approach, which is safer for our troops." Despite Pelosi's opposition, Congress still passed a resolution authorizing President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States against Iraq.[78]

Since her initial victory in 1987, she has been re-elected 11 times, receiving at least 75% of the vote.

On March 21, 2008, Pelosi criticized the People's Republic of China for its handling of the unrest in Tibet and called on "freedom-loving people" worldwide to denounce China.[34] She was quoted as saying, "The situation in Tibet is a challenge to the conscience of the world", while addressing a crowd of thousands of Tibetans in Dharamsala, India.[

Pelosi voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 and earlier attempts at similar bans.

The ACLU's Congressional Scorecard has given Pelosi a lifetime rating of 93% for her voting record on civil liberties

In mid-July 2008, two days after President George W. Bush stated that Congress was ineffective and said, "This is not a record to be proud of, and I think the American people deserve better",[109] Pelosi responded by calling the president "a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the war, on the economy, on energy, you name the subject" and that Congress had been "sweeping up after his mess over and over and over again


Nancy Pelosi has done a number of good things, opposing the privatization of Social Security and the Iraq war being quite good for America.

She has been elected with 75% of the vote, so your chances of getting rid of her anytime soon are between slim and none.

 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: bob4432
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently and on top of that, how has she managed to stay there? who supports her and why?

can you please explain what good she has done?

Pelosi is Obama with a skirt and a speech impediment.
 

Moonbeam

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Pelosi is the Sarah Palin of the left but with more ability. Just as every jackass on the left tries to belittle Palin, the right does the same to Pelosi, and with similar effect. They are heat sinks for morons to throw themselves on.
 

glenn1

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Originally posted by: marincounty
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Pelosi opposed the welfare reform proposed and passed under Clinton.

She opposed the privatization of Social Security proposed by GW Bush.

"Shortly after winning re-election, President George W. Bush claimed a mandate for an ambitious second-term agenda that would include the privatization of Social Security.[16] Pelosi strongly opposed the privatization of Social Security, and as minority leader imposed intense party discipline on her caucus, leading them to near-unanimous opposition of Bush's proposal.[17] With a unified Democratic Party pushing against the President's plan, Social Security privatization was defeated.[18]"



In 2002, Pelosi opposed the Iraq Resolution authorizing President Bush to use military force against Iraq,[76] while stating that Iraq, like "other countries of concern", had WMD's.[77] In explaining her opposition to the resolution, Pelosi noted that Central Intelligence Agency Director George Tenet had told Congress that the likelihood of Iraq's Saddam Hussein launching an attack on the U.S. using weapons of mass destruction was low. "This is about the Constitution", Pelosi said. "It is about this Congress asserting its right to declare war when we are fully aware what the challenges are to us. It is about respecting the United Nations and a multilateral approach, which is safer for our troops." Despite Pelosi's opposition, Congress still passed a resolution authorizing President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States against Iraq.[78]

Since her initial victory in 1987, she has been re-elected 11 times, receiving at least 75% of the vote.

On March 21, 2008, Pelosi criticized the People's Republic of China for its handling of the unrest in Tibet and called on "freedom-loving people" worldwide to denounce China.[34] She was quoted as saying, "The situation in Tibet is a challenge to the conscience of the world", while addressing a crowd of thousands of Tibetans in Dharamsala, India.[

Pelosi voted against the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 and earlier attempts at similar bans.

The ACLU's Congressional Scorecard has given Pelosi a lifetime rating of 93% for her voting record on civil liberties

In mid-July 2008, two days after President George W. Bush stated that Congress was ineffective and said, "This is not a record to be proud of, and I think the American people deserve better",[109] Pelosi responded by calling the president "a total failure, losing all credibility with the American people on the war, on the economy, on energy, you name the subject" and that Congress had been "sweeping up after his mess over and over and over again


Nancy Pelosi has done a number of good things, opposing the privatization of Social Security and the Iraq war being quite good for America.

She has been elected with 75% of the vote, so your chances of getting rid of her anytime soon are between slim and none.

Let's disregard the ad hominem attacks and rate her strictly on her merits. How do you feel Pelosi rates as a Speaker vs. other recent Speakers of the last few decades? Has she been more effective, less effective, or about the same? Is what she's accomplished so far been more or less than what you expected? And do you feel that she is the best choice for the position, or that a different person in the Democratic Party would be a better option?
 

sportage

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I have a better question.
Why do you "gut reaction" hate her?
What are your facts and issues to treat her like scum?
Exactly what??? Exactly... Facts... Examples...

And just calling her stone faced, bitchy, bug eyed is NOT reason to attack her.
Or, is this a woman thing you have issues with...
(personally...in general... that is...with women in power...hummm)?
 

irwincur

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opposing the privatization of Social Security

Good? You mean kicking the can down the road and ignoring the impending cliff that it is about to fall off of...

Great work.

She is a worthless bitch who only gets elected because she is from the great, broke, welfare pimping, illegal infested, liberal socialist experiment gone wrong, California.
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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Originally posted by: irwincur
opposing the privatization of Social Security

Good? You mean kicking the can down the road and ignoring the impending cliff that it is about to fall off of...

Great work.

She is a worthless bitch who only gets elected because she is from the great, broke, welfare pimping, illegal infested, liberal socialist experiment gone wrong, California.

Couldn't have said it better. How? Look at her constituents. Why? Look at her constituents.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: irwincur
opposing the privatization of Social Security

Good? You mean kicking the can down the road and ignoring the impending cliff that it is about to fall off of...

Great work.

She is a worthless bitch who only gets elected because she is from the great, broke, welfare pimping, illegal infested, liberal socialist experiment gone wrong, California.

Clinton had pretty much laid the ground work to securing SS. Bush "kicked the can down the road" with Tax Cuts.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: sandorski


Clinton had pretty much laid the ground work to securing SS. Bush "kicked the can down the road" with Tax Cuts.

REALLY! You honestly believe what you posted? Really, really?

When did bush cut FICA/OASDI tax rates?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski


Clinton had pretty much laid the ground work to securing SS. Bush "kicked the can down the road" with Tax Cuts.

REALLY! You honestly believe what you posted? Really, really?

When did bush cut FICA tax rates?

??

What's that got to do with it? Nothing.
 

irwincur

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Huh, I seem to recall the democrats kicking and screaming all the way to the end. Also enlisting seniors to work the local angle.

Sounds familar - just the opposite of today.

The president does not write or vote on law, he signs law. If nothing ever reached his desk - he really didn't kick shit down the road. Congress did. But, like that pack of morons (both sides) really gives a shit about anything important. All they care about is whether or not there is an available G5 to take them to Vegas on the weekends.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski


Clinton had pretty much laid the ground work to securing SS. Bush "kicked the can down the road" with Tax Cuts.

REALLY! You honestly believe what you posted? Really, really?

When did bush cut FICA tax rates?

??

What's that got to do with it? Nothing.

You claimed bush kicked the can down the road by cutting taxes that fund SS.

I called your bullshit. When did he cut these?

*clue* he didn't. Or are you so incredibly naively saying that SS funding should come from income tax? If so get a fucking clue.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski


Clinton had pretty much laid the ground work to securing SS. Bush "kicked the can down the road" with Tax Cuts.

REALLY! You honestly believe what you posted? Really, really?

When did bush cut FICA tax rates?

??

What's that got to do with it? Nothing.

You claimed bush kicked the can down the road by cutting taxes that fund SS.

I called your bullshit. When did he cut these?

*clue* he didn't. Or are you so incredibly naively saying that SS funding should come from income tax? If so get a fucking clue.

I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: sandorski

I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.

Oh, so you disagree with how SS is funded by law and tax code. Start another thread so I can explain to you social security works.

In other words you are that incredible naive.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: sandorski

I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.

Oh, so you disagree with how SS is funded by law and tax code. Start another thread so I can explain to you social security works.

In other words you are that incredible naive.

Incorrect. Where do SS Surpluses go? Answer: To Government coffers in exchange for IOUs. When SS comes asking for their $$, how will Government Pay? Budgetary Surpluses were going to pay, but they no longer exist.
 

RedChief

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.

I guess 9/11 and the economic recession that followed it along with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with eliminating the projected surplus?

If the government takes in too much money and then cuts taxes, isnt that returning that money back to the people? Or should the government keep it and spend it?

 

RedChief

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Incorrect. Where do SS Surpluses go? Answer: To Government coffers in exchange for IOUs. When SS comes asking for their $$, how will Government Pay? Budgetary Surpluses were going to pay, but they no longer exist.

Your acting like the fed budget is different then social security.

Of course there were plans put forward which would use the current surplus to set up individual retirement accounts. Of course liberals in congress blocked it because any change to social security is heresy.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sandorski
I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.

I guess 9/11 and the economic recession that followed it along with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with eliminating the projected surplus?

If the government takes in too much money and then cuts taxes, isnt that returning that money back to the people? Or should the government keep it and spend it?

1) They certainly didn't help.

2) Wrong. Government also had/has Debts. The idea that a Budgetary Surplus is Over Taxation is one of the Rights' biggest contemporary Fallacies. The Taxpayer is also Responsible for the Public Debt, not just the Operating Costs.

3) 1 and 2 combined under Bush to go from Surplus to Deficits.
 

stateofbeasley

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Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sandorski
Incorrect. Where do SS Surpluses go? Answer: To Government coffers in exchange for IOUs. When SS comes asking for their $$, how will Government Pay? Budgetary Surpluses were going to pay, but they no longer exist.

Your acting like the fed budget is different then social security.

Of course there were plans put forward which would use the current surplus to set up individual retirement accounts. Of course liberals in congress blocked it because any change to social security is heresy.

Lets get one thing straight: privatization of Social Security would have benefited one interest group: mutual fund companies. These are the largely the same people who advocate these shit 401(k) plans that rape you with high expense ratios.

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sandorski
Incorrect. Where do SS Surpluses go? Answer: To Government coffers in exchange for IOUs. When SS comes asking for their $$, how will Government Pay? Budgetary Surpluses were going to pay, but they no longer exist.

Your acting like the fed budget is different then social security.

Of course there were plans put forward which would use the current surplus to set up individual retirement accounts. Of course liberals in congress blocked it because any change to social security is heresy.

Privatizing was also fraught with uncertainties. Many of which, in light of recent events, is no longer "uncertain", but certainly alarming.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
Originally posted by: RedChief
Originally posted by: sandorski
Incorrect. Where do SS Surpluses go? Answer: To Government coffers in exchange for IOUs. When SS comes asking for their $$, how will Government Pay? Budgetary Surpluses were going to pay, but they no longer exist.

Your acting like the fed budget is different then social security.

Of course there were plans put forward which would use the current surplus to set up individual retirement accounts. Of course liberals in congress blocked it because any change to social security is heresy.

Lets get one thing straight: privatization of Social Security would have benefited one interest group: mutual fund companies. These are the largely the same people who advocate these shit 401(k) plans that rape you with high expense ratios.

It would benifit me since I might of actually seen some of the money I have paid in. I would rather have half instead of the nothing I will see thanks to this corrupt government spending to much money. Give me my money back and I would be happy as hell.