How did Pelosi get where she is?

[LunarRay]

I would opine that Clinton intended to use the surplus to acquire the securities that are held by the Social Security Trust to pay for the out years needs.
As you all know, any excess of the amount needed to fund the current SS needs goes to the Trust to buy more securities...
To account for the out year needs .... buying more of these govt securities seems a good idea...

Me thinks that is what Clinton Planned... or intended to get Congress to pass..

Well... I could be wrong but that was how I understood how it all works back when I understood stuff better.

 

[alphatarget1]

People like my grandmother want freebies so they vote for Nancy Pelosi. (she lives in her district).

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: irwincur

opposing the privatization of Social Security

Good? You mean kicking the can down the road and ignoring the impending cliff that it is about to fall off of...

Great work.

She is a worthless bitch who only gets elected because she is from the great, broke, welfare pimping, illegal infested, liberal socialist experiment gone wrong, California.

Couldn't have said it better. How? Look at her constituents. Why? Look at her constituents.

that doesnt explain her being Speaker. she is Speaker because she's effective, which is also why she's a target of the opposition.

btw, California is by far the most successful capitalist state in the country.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: irwincur

opposing the privatization of Social Security

Good? You mean kicking the can down the road and ignoring the impending cliff that it is about to fall off of...

Great work.

She is a worthless bitch who only gets elected because she is from the great, broke, welfare pimping, illegal infested, liberal socialist experiment gone wrong, California.

Couldn't have said it better. How? Look at her constituents. Why? Look at her constituents.

that doesnt explain her being Speaker. she is Speaker because she's effective, which is also why she's a target of the opposition.

btw, California is by far the most successful capitalist state in the country.

 

[Patranus]

Her district is San Francisco.....

I can see how she got elected as a representative but don't have a clue how she became speaker of the house.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: bob4432
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently and on top of that, how has she managed to stay there? who supports her and why?

can you please explain what good she has done?

I always wondered that about the Shrub, our own special pampered, draft dodging ignoramus who somehow became President, a somewhat more important position than Speaker.

Or Cheney. Where did he come from, Bob? Surely you don't think he had wholly human parents on both sides, do you?

 

[Moonbeam]

Pelosi is a dirt magnet. You can drag her through a box of people and all the worthless scum imbeciles on the right will stick to her with their dirty little claws. She's sort of like a puss filter. Mention San Francisco to an idiot, for example, and he will explode like a trained monkey wearing a suicide vest.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: bob4432
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently and on top of that, how has she managed to stay there? who supports her and why?

can you please explain what good she has done?

I always wondered that about the Shrub, our own special pampered, draft dodging ignoramus who somehow became President, a somewhat more important position than Speaker.

Or Cheney. Where did he come from, Bob? Surely you don't think he had wholly human parents on both sides, do you?

well, i can't say i have been terribly impressed w/ anybody in office for quite some time, always voting for the candidate i feel will be the lesser of the 2 evils, never the better qualified because, honestly, don't feel many that run are qualified to hold the office. this goes back for some time for me and i assume for others too.

as far as pelosi, i guess i should have worded it regarding the speaker position. every time she talks, i don't know, just horrible things come out of her mouth. i know she is just like most other politicians, but for some reason she seems much worse. much like the hhs lady....:thumbsdown:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski

I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.

Oh, so you disagree with how SS is funded by law and tax code. Start another thread so I can explain to you social security works.

In other words you are that incredible naive.

Incorrect. Where do SS Surpluses go? Answer: To Government coffers in exchange for IOUs. When SS comes asking for their $$, how will Government Pay? Budgetary Surpluses were going to pay, but they no longer exist.

This is no different than Clinton or any other president. How did we manage a surplus in the 90's? By raiding the SS surplus.

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of this thread clearly meant as an insult to Pelosi, but still there can be an instructive opportunity made from the insult.

And to disagree with some people, I do not think Pelosi is speaker of the house because she is especially effective or at the mainstream of the democratic party.

And I submit that both Pelosi and Reid are at the top of their respective democratic heaps because the democratic party has been using the quite opposite strategy of Newt Gingrich, and its been paying off quite well the past two election cycles.

As we should well know, the Newt Gingrich strategy was R=good, D=Bad, lock step party organization makes the party effective, and in terms of public policy platform, it was whatever a republican President wanted and total opposition to what ever what a democratic president wanted. And even if the R's kicked Newt from the speaker of the house chair because he blew the election of 1998, the R's have kept the Newt strategy unbroken even to thus day,

And someone like Pelosi using the Un Newt strategy stays as speaker as the house because both conservative bluedog democrats and Liberal democrats are both willing to work with Pelosi to form compromises in policies. And because Pelosi does not act as idea censor
or take em to the woodshed hatchet woman, all sides in the democrat party are willing to work with Pelosi as she has had her part in leading the democrats from a minority to a decidedly majority party status. When your team is winning, why fire the coach?

I hope that my post sheds some light on the subject.

 

[PokerGuy]

The fact that she got elected and gets re-elected each time speaks volumes about the morons that are her consituents. The fact that she became the speaker of the house speaks volumes about the morons that comprise the general electorate.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
She does a lot for the powers that be, and in return they give he a lot, including the means to trick the public into keeping her elected. For specific examples check her voting record, it contains little else.

that is it in a nutshell... she is the ultimate modern politician. Reps hate her, indy's hate her, moderates hate her, even dems hate her... Yet there she is.

She is a shining example of what is wrong with the dem party, not what is right with it...
She is a shining example of what is wrong with US politics, not what is right with it.

 

[BarrySotero]

As a person who constanly has to work around people on meds I can see Pelosi is saturated in them. She's not even fully aware of what she is doing. One of her "strengths" is that she is such a mad hatter that she is painful to deal with (creates brain pain) and people leave her alone. If you watched her when it was found out she knew about CIA and enhanced interrogation you saw how she blamed eveyone else and then just refused to talk about the issue anymore and scolded anyone bringing it up. She's a Stepford Rep and quite dangerous despite being a looney toon.

 

[LunarRay]

Not sure anything has changed from This. It seems to me some folks think the SS Trust fund has no assets but it does... It holds US Govt Securities.

The Surplus in the Clinton Administration was the result of more tax dollars arriving than what was disbursed. Least ways that is the usual definition and somewhat accurate.

The SS Trust sells assets to pay the current needs and buys them with the inflow from Employment Contributions related to SS. Generally, the amount bought exceeds the amount sold...

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Privatizing was also fraught with uncertainties. Many of which, in light of recent events, is no longer "uncertain", but certainly alarming.

i'd really like to see someone with a much better knowledge of excel than i do put together a historical study for workers at various income levels of their lifetime, using a diversified portfolio vs. social security for the last 43 years, and assume the workers had to start cashing out right at the bottom of the market this last year.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: bob4432
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently and on top of that, how has she managed to stay there? who supports her and why?

can you please explain what good she has done?

Do you live in her district?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RedChief

Originally posted by: sandorski
I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.

I guess 9/11 and the economic recession that followed it along with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with eliminating the projected surplus?

If the government takes in too much money and then cuts taxes, isnt that returning that money back to the people? Or should the government keep it and spend it?

2) Wrong. Government also had/has Debts. The idea that a Budgetary Surplus is Over Taxation is one of the Rights' biggest contemporary Fallacies. The Taxpayer is also Responsible for the Public Debt, not just the Operating Costs.

Wait what? Have you not seen the government budget. It accounts for paying back debts.
So in reality the surplus is more money taken in by the government than is allocated to pay operating costs AND pay interest on our debts.

 

[DesiPower]

I know who she got there - "Y"

who she stays there... its a mystery, maybe she uses dentures...

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: bob4432
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently

A taxpayer funded Gulfstream 550?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Patranus
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently

stupid Californians?






Was that redundant?

 

[Lemon law]

I just love it while a bunch of GOP fan clubbers get off by insulting Pelosi, but its still a matter of who is on top and who is on the bottom of the pecking order now.

And even if its irrelevant now, the GOP's choices of speaker of the house have not been very stellar examples of humanity.

Shall we start out with Newt, divorce his wife suffering with cancer Gingrich. And finally thrown out by the GOP when the American people did not think much of Gingrich's willingness to shut down the entire government just to get his way.

And even if it was never official, we might as well call Tom the hammer Delay the real replacement speaker of the house. Corrupt as they come, but what do you expect from Sugarland Texas. And Tom went on to found the K street lobbying connection and used it make himself the dispenser of GOP bag money. Finally Tom became so radioactively corrupt that he was forced to leave the country after being indicted, leaving dumb old Dennis Hastert holding the bag. Exit stage right for Delay, replaced by openly dispense Tobacco money on the house floor Boehner, who got bounced by Delay when he did it, but came back triumphant after Delay did worse. And Boehner is still de man, not riding all so high because ole K street lobbying firms are not as lucrative lately. But the GOP has not learned a damn thing since they tossed Newt in 1998.

And now maybe our GOP fan clubbers can explain to this forum exactly what toxic waste sites the GOP uses to find their house leaders lately!

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sandorski

I did not. He Cut Taxes, that eliminated the Projected Surplus.

Oh, so you disagree with how SS is funded by law and tax code. Start another thread so I can explain to you social security works.

In other words you are that incredible naive.

He's Canadian. Might as well talk to your living room furniture.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: stateofbeasley

Originally posted by: RedChief

Originally posted by: sandorski
Incorrect. Where do SS Surpluses go? Answer: To Government coffers in exchange for IOUs. When SS comes asking for their $$, how will Government Pay? Budgetary Surpluses were going to pay, but they no longer exist.

Your acting like the fed budget is different then social security.

Of course there were plans put forward which would use the current surplus to set up individual retirement accounts. Of course liberals in congress blocked it because any change to social security is heresy.

Lets get one thing straight: privatization of Social Security would have benefited one interest group: mutual fund companies. These are the largely the same people who advocate these shit 401(k) plans that rape you with high expense ratios.

Actually two interest groups, the second being the entire US populace without discrimination.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I just love it while a bunch of GOP fan clubbers get off by insulting Pelosi, but its still a matter of who is on top and who is on the bottom of the pecking order now.

And even if its irrelevant now, the GOP's choices of speaker of the house have not been very stellar examples of humanity.

Shall we start out with Newt, divorce his wife suffering with cancer Gingrich. And finally thrown out by the GOP when the American people did not think much of Gingrich's willingness to shut down the entire government just to get his way.

And even if it was never official, we might as well call Tom the hammer Delay the real replacement speaker of the house. Corrupt as they come, but what do you expect from Sugarland Texas. And Tom went on to found the K street lobbying connection and used it make himself the dispenser of GOP bag money. Finally Tom became so radioactively corrupt that he was forced to leave the country after being indicted, leaving dumb old Dennis Hastert holding the bag. Exit stage right for Delay, replaced by openly dispense Tobacco money on the house floor Boehner, who got bounced by Delay when he did it, but came back triumphant after Delay did worse. And Boehner is still de man, not riding all so high because ole K street lobbying firms are not as lucrative lately. But the GOP has not learned a damn thing since they tossed Newt in 1998.

And now maybe our GOP fan clubbers can explain to this forum exactly what toxic waste sites the GOP uses to find their house leaders lately!

i am not on the left or the right, but independent. i personally can't stand pelosi because she will make statements and then when called on it act like stuff didn't happen or try to wipe it under the rug, like she did w/ the "cia lies to us" bullshit. that being said, i do not agree w/ a lot of both parties, so all this spouting off about newt and how he left his wife.....what about your cherished edwards - having the kid on his wife when she was going through cancer therapy? we could go round and round on everybody on both sides, but my main concern is how pelosi became #3?

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

As a person who constanly has to work around people on meds I can see Pelosi is saturated in them. She's not even fully aware of what she is doing. One of her "strengths" is that she is such a mad hatter that she is painful to deal with (creates brain pain) and people leave her alone. If you watched her when it was found out she knew about CIA and enhanced interrogation you saw how she blamed eveyone else and then just refused to talk about the issue anymore and scolded anyone bringing it up. She's a Stepford Rep and quite dangerous despite being a looney toon.

maybe this is it....that stare she has, just looking out there like she is lost

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: bob4432
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently and on top of that, how has she managed to stay there? who supports her and why?

can you please explain what good she has done?

Do you live in her district?

i would never live in CA, i like freedom

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: bob4432
how in the world did pelosi get where she is currently

A taxpayer funded Gulfstream 550?

As number two in line for the Presidency the Speaker of the House must ride in military aircraft to and fro...