How did Apple succeed in Tablets (ie: iPad) when everyone else failed miserably?

[Ns1]

so is an ipod touch or an iphone or a droid phone. All weigh 4-5 ounces, get 10+ hours of battery life, and ALL cost 1/3 of the ipad.

a 4" dildo that costs half as much as a 10" dildo

both might do the same thing, but they're not the same at all.

 

[darkswordsman17]

http://www.jr.com/rca/pe/RCA_BRC3108/

Did you even bother to actually look at that thing?

LCD resolution 1024 x 576

So, lower resolution than the iPad (probably using a TN panel as well), and you have to lug around a bunch of Blu-Rays. Yep, that's totally better.

And lulz at the reading light for the Kindle. So, your solution is to lug around a ton of extra junk, none of which is spectacular at what they do (which plenty aren't even better at doing their specific functions than a tablet), and would cost you more than an iPad?

You and Nik seem to have some very weird desire to carry around a bunch of stuff. That or you never go anywhere so you've never really understood the appeal of real portability.

As for smartphones, that's true to an extent, but a bigger display makes things like web browsing, reading, watching video, using as a GPS, sketching/painting, all much better, which means that a tablet is a better device in many ways.

 

[Joseph F]

Can you let me know where I can get a dual core Android tablet? I'd love one, but all I can find is single core tablets for $200 more than the IPad.

Troll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Xoom

 

[Ns1]

Troll. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Xoom

yeah those XOOM reviews have been stellar. no wonder they're flying off the shelves.

 

[vi edit]

Cool, I can do all of those things with my phone which is 1/5 the size. Still waiting to hear the ipad "killer app" which I haven't seen in over 400 posts...

I think I said about 9 pages ago that if you already have a smart phone then there's a tech overlap and the value isn't there for many. But my wife doesn't have smart phone, my parents don't have a smartphone or a laptop, and my 3 year old can work a tablet much easier than a phone.

And there is no single "killer" app. It's a total package deal of ease of use, application support, functional size, and utility. Just like my iphone. There was no app that made me or however many hundred million people go out and buy an iphone because of a single app. It was a package deal.

 

[Kev]

and on a 10" screen as we...

OH WAIT

You guys can't use the size argument in favor of the ipad over a phone and then say a laptop is bad because it's "too big," it's disingenuous.

 

[HAL9000]

a 4" dildo that costs half as much as a 10" dildo

both might do the same thing, but they're not the same at all.

Genius.

 

[Ns1]

You guys can't use the size argument in favor of the ipad over a phone and then say a laptop is bad because it's "too big," it's disingenuous.

"hey check out this youtube video"

and then passing over an ipad is significantly more convenient than passing over a laptop. and in that same example, viewing said video with 10" is significantly better than the same video @ 4"

 

[vi edit]

You guys can't use the size argument in favor of the ipad over a phone and then say a laptop is bad because it's "too big," it's disingenuous.

Can you easily use a smart phone while standing/walking?
A: Yes

Can you easily use a tablet while standing/walking?
A: Yes

Can you easily use a notebook while standing or walking?
A: No

A tablet is meant to be a hand held format. A notebook is not. Your argument isn't really valid.

 

[Joseph F]

yeah those XOOM reviews have been stellar. no wonder they're flying off the shelves.

I never said that it was a good product, fucker. I just said that you can get a dual-core android tablet!

Can you easily use a smart phone while standing/walking?
A: Yes

Can you easily use a tablet while standing/walking?
A: Yes

Can you easily use a notebook while standing or walking?
A: No

A tablet is meant to be a hand held format. A notebook is not. Your argument isn't really valid.

Why not? I used my Lenovo R60 (which was heavier than any other laptop I've ever used) frequently while walking.

 

[sao123]

and on a 10" screen as we...

OH WAIT

well lets see... if its screen size you want
24 inch LCD = $200.

so obviously the difference between a 3inch screen and a 10 inch screen should be about $100

so obviously and ipad should cost about $299 + 100. Oh wait it costs $800.

for which I could buy a full laptop with a... wait for it... 17" screen.

FAIL.

a 4" dildo that costs half as much as a 10" dildo

both might do the same thing, but they're not the same at all.

and yet, neither one can compare to a real dick.

Did you even bother to actually look at that thing?

So, lower resolution than the iPad (probably using a TN panel as well), and you have to lug around a bunch of Blu-Rays. Yep, that's totally better.

And lulz at the reading light for the Kindle. So, your solution is to lug around a ton of extra junk, none of which is spectacular at what they do (which plenty aren't even better at doing their specific functions than a tablet), and would cost you more than an iPad?

You and Nik seem to have some very weird desire to carry around a bunch of stuff. That or you never go anywhere so you've never really understood the appeal of real portability.

As for smartphones, that's true to an extent, but a bigger display makes things like web browsing, reading, watching video, using as a GPS, sketching/painting, all much better, which means that a tablet is a better device in many ways.

So an e-reader with an eye relief screen, isnt better than an IPS which burns out your retina in low light? Reading on LCD base screens causes eye strain, and difficulty sleeping if you read right before bed.

So the <1MP ipad camera is better than a 10-14 MP camera and a 1080P/60FPS camcorder at taking phots/video? and better than 2MP web cam? Really, I had no idea these things werent very good at what they were designed to do.

Well lets see... I've covered reading...
So... for web browsing and web video, an ipad has a better web experience than a notebook or a desktop pc, with a full internet explorer/firefox/chrome on my 30 inch monitor?

Unless im on a plane, any real media i'll be watching will be on my 62inch 7.1 home theatre sytstem. and if im on a plane, ill be using my pocket blueray player.

if im in my vehicle, it has on-star built into it. so, ill never use an ipad for GPS. but an ipad is strictly worse than the typical magellan, tomtom devices which are already highly distributed throughout the market. Again, these just do driving directions better than your ipad.

and If I need to make a phone call, I will definately use my cellphone, than say, an ipad with a skype alternative.



This is an undeniable fact:
Single purpose dedicated devices are strictly better at doing what they were designed to do, and do it for far less cost, than a one multirole all-purpose device which does lots of things but nothing exceptionally well. It will always be that way.

 

[vi edit]

This is an undeniable fact: Single purpose dedicated devices are strictly better at doing what they were designed to do, and do it for far less cost, than a one multirole all-purpose device which does lots of things but nothing exceptionally well. It will always be that way.

And none of us said otherwise. It's just a wedge argument you keep throwing in.

 

[bfdd]

yeah those XOOM reviews have been stellar. no wonder they're flying off the shelves.

My buddy bought one and loves it, I'm waiting for him to bring it in to check it out. We were talking about all the reviews and shit that people were talking about how buggy it was. He says it's over exaggerated, but like I said I haven't got a hands on with it yet.

 

[Ns1]

and yet, neither one can compare to a real dick.

Sometimes you don't want to deal with all the hassles of a real dick.

Sometimes a 4" dildo works just fine. 1 thing is certain though with a 10" dildo: you really notice the extra 6".

 

[sao123]

You and Nik seem to have some very weird desire to carry around a bunch of stuff. That or you never go anywhere so you've never really understood the appeal of real portability.

Actually, I just dont feel the need to carry something with me to be "a 24/7 connected technofreak", since I actually have interpersonal relationships.

When I do need to do something, I know well in advanced and get the correct tool for the job, use it, then return it to its storage place, then resume daily life as normal.

 

[purbeast0]

well lets see... if its screen size you want
24 inch LCD = $200.

so obviously the difference between a 3inch screen and a 10 inch screen should be about $100

so obviously and ipad should cost about $299 + 100. Oh wait it costs $800.

for which I could buy a full laptop with a... wait for it... 17" screen.

FAIL.





and yet, neither one can compare to a real dick.





So an e-reader with an eye relief screen, isnt better than an IPS which burns out your retina in low light? Reading on LCD base screens causes eye strain, and difficulty sleeping if you read right before bed.

So the <1MP ipad camera is better than a 10-14 MP camera and a 1080P/60FPS camcorder at taking phots/video? and better than 2MP web cam? Really, I had no idea these things werent very good at what they were designed to do.

Well lets see... I've covered reading...
So... for web browsing and web video, an ipad has a better web experience than a notebook or a desktop pc, with a full internet explorer/firefox/chrome on my 30 inch monitor?

Unless im on a plane, any real media i'll be watching will be on my 62inch 7.1 home theatre sytstem. and if im on a plane, ill be using my pocket blueray player.

if im in my vehicle, it has on-star built into it. so, ill never use an ipad for GPS. but an ipad is strictly worse than the typical magellan, tomtom devices which are already highly distributed throughout the market. Again, these just do driving directions better than your ipad.

and If I need to make a phone call, I will definately use my cellphone, than say, an ipad with a skype alternative.



This is an undeniable fact:
Single purpose dedicated devices are strictly better at doing what they were designed to do, and do it for far less cost, than a one multirole all-purpose device which does lots of things but nothing exceptionally well. It will always be that way.

"i personally have no use for the products therefore they should not exist and people who use them are stupid idiot buttheads WAH WAH WAH!!"

 

[sao123]

And none of us said otherwise. It's just a wedge argument you keep throwing in.

and yet you choose to trumpet the does-nothing-well device as something great,useful , to be desired, and worth paying money for.

does not compute.

 

[Ns1]

and yet you choose to trumpet the does-nothing-well device as something great,useful , to be desired, and worth paying money for.

does not compute.

we already mentioned the things it does well and you just cherry pick single items that do it better.

great, you have 10 gadgets in your backpack, you are the shit.

 

[goog40]

People don't understand how useful it is until they own one. My laptop's just a desk ornament now. I barely even use my iPhone anymore. It's painful to go back to the small screen.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

well lets see... if its screen size you want
24 inch LCD = $200.

so obviously the difference between a 3inch screen and a 10 inch screen should be about $100

so obviously and ipad should cost about $299 + 100. Oh wait it costs $800.

for which I could buy a full laptop with a... wait for it... 17" screen.

FAIL.

How can you compare the price differences for the 24" LCD to a <10". The manufacturing is completely different. Getting stuff that small is not trivial. And where are you getting $800. It starts at $500...

So an e-reader with an eye relief screen, isnt better than an IPS which burns out your retina in low light? Reading on LCD base screens causes eye strain, and difficulty sleeping if you read right before bed.

So the <1MP ipad camera is better than a 10-14 MP camera and a 1080P/60FPS camcorder at taking phots/video? and better than 2MP web cam? Really, I had no idea these things werent very good at what they were designed to do.

Well lets see... I've covered reading...
So... for web browsing and web video, an ipad has a better web experience than a notebook or a desktop pc, with a full internet explorer/firefox/chrome on my 30 inch monitor?

Unless im on a plane, any real media i'll be watching will be on my 62inch 7.1 home theatre sytstem. and if im on a plane, ill be using my pocket blueray player.

if im in my vehicle, it has on-star built into it. so, ill never use an ipad for GPS. but an ipad is strictly worse than the typical magellan, tomtom devices which are already highly distributed throughout the market. Again, these just do driving directions better than your ipad.

and If I need to make a phone call, I will definately use my cellphone, than say, an ipad with a skype alternative.

This is an undeniable fact:
Single purpose dedicated devices are strictly better at doing what they were designed to do, and do it for far less cost, than a one multirole all-purpose device which does lots of things but nothing exceptionally well. It will always be that way.

Basically, you're saying carry with you, an iPhone, GPS, D90, and 1080p camcorder, Kindle, Laptop, and your 10" Bluray player that doesn't really output 1080p and has less resolution than an iPad.

When instead you can carry an iPhone and iPad and that's all.

No one is saying that an iPad is replacing your computer. We're saying it complements your computer. Also, try browsing on the iPad...go to the sites you would go to. See which actually work. Most people are surprised that sites that use flash video are actually able to play on the iPad in H.264.

 

[sao123]

Basically, you're saying carry with you, an iPhone, GPS, D90, and 1080p camcorder, Kindle, Laptop, and your 10" Bluray player that doesn't really output 1080p and has less resolution than an iPad.

When instead you can carry an iPhone and iPad and that's all.

No one is saying that an iPad is replacing your computer. We're saying it complements your computer. Also, try browsing on the iPad...go to the sites you would go to. See which actually work. Most people are surprised that sites that use flash video are actually able to play on the iPad in H.264.

i dont need to carry facebook+youtube+email+digitalcamera+camcorder+gps+laptop+internet+mediaplayer+e-book with me 24/7.

I carry nothing with me except for a cell phone, a knife, and a .45 glock.
When I need one other of the above, i'll retrieve it from my house, use it, and put it back. Also when I do need something, I need something better than ipad.

 

[Ns1]

I carry nothing with me except for a cell phone, a knife, and a .45 glock.
When I need one other of the above, i'll retrieve it from my house, use it, and put it back. Also when I do need something, I need something better than ipad.

pft, glock what the fuck? Why do you have a glock when it can only do half the shit that a shotgun can? When I need to kill zombies, I need something better than a glock.

 

[darkswordsman17]

i dont need to carry facebook+youtube+email+digitalcamera+camcorder+gps+laptop+internet+mediaplayer+e-book with me 24/7.

I carry nothing with me except for a cell phone, a knife, and a .45 glock.
When I need one other of the above, i'll retrieve it from my house, use it, and put it back. Also when I do need something, I need something better than ipad.

So what the fuck is your problem with the iPad and tablets? You trash it and then reason it with arbitrary arguments that don't even apply to you. Hell, why do you even have a phone, since you have so many interpersonal relationships, you clearly don't need anything to stay in touch.

Plus, why do you keep mentioning things that make no sense? Cool a crappy portable Blu-Ray player? Ok? A 24" LCD? WTF? A knife and a Glock? Do you even listen to yourself?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Wow - this thread just keeps on giving.

I could have predicted the "Apple sheeple" comments, and the "iPad doesn't have the features of a shitty $700 17" laptop so it's a waste of money" comments, but I never would have predicted two of the usual suspects battling it out for the title of Internet's Angriest, Most Maladjusted Nerd, nor would I have thought that one's interpersonal relationships and/or choice in handgun would enter into the discussion.

It seems to me each of us has the ability to choose for ourselves what we want to buy, and the members here are pretty wide-ranging in terms of their ability to afford luxury items like iPads. I don't understand why this has to be a topic that engenders such anger. I don't think anyone is "stupid" for buying an iPad, nor do I think that a person who chooses not to should be presumed to be poor and jealous.

The bottom line: the market has spoken and millions of people find the iPad a useful adjunct to their other toys. If you don't want one, fine.

 

[purbeast0]

Wow - this thread just keeps on giving.

I could have predicted the "Apple sheeple" comments, and the "iPad doesn't have the features of a shitty $700 17" laptop so it's a waste of money" comments, but I never would have predicted two of the usual suspects battling it out for the title of Internet's Angriest, Most Maladjusted Nerd, nor would I have thought that one's interpersonal relationships and/or choice in handgun would enter into the discussion.

It seems to me each of us has the ability to choose for ourselves what we want to buy, and the members here are pretty wide-ranging in terms of their ability to afford luxury items like iPads. I don't understand why this has to be a topic that engenders such anger. I don't think anyone is "stupid" for buying an iPad, nor do I think that a person who chooses not to should be presumed to be poor and jealous.

The bottom line: the market has spoken and millions of people find the iPad a useful adjunct to their other toys. If you don't want one, fine.

it is simply because the apple haters are 100x more annoying and vocal than the "sheeple" they talk about. for some reason they are extremely butthurt over anything apple.