How could there NOT be a GOD??

[oniq]

Face it, if there was a god then he'd post in this thread!

 

[Ymmy]

Q: But who created the universe!? God must've!
A: Someone must have created God

That's because you are thinking LINEAR. It doesnot in any way have to be Linear.

 

[oniq]

Originally posted by: Ymmy

Q: But who created the universe!? God must've!
A: Someone must have created God

That's because you are thinking LINEAR. It doesnot in any way have to be Linear.

Why did anything have to have created the universe?

 

[skace]

I am another member of the "who made god" group.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

The answer you are looking for is: It is not currently known.

OK good, so then there is no answer. This should make everybody happy as everyone wins this argument by default. Even the thing about Picard and star trek. I refuse to believe the rabbit junk tho.

we have a pretty good idea (amino acids and whatnot), but regardless, none of this indicates that there is definitely a god. i'm afraid you have lost sight of what you first posted, which is "how could there NOT be a god" and that your friend argued that there MAY not be a god. simply put, your friend is right, you are wrong.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: Amused
I humbly invate all of you to kiss Hank's ass with me.

HAHAHA

That WAS a great one!!!!

You should post it!!!

WOAHH I found a Video of it here!


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Kiss Hank's Ass

By James Huber



This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well-groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first.



John: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."



Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us."



Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss his ass?"



John: "If you kiss Hank's ass, he'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he'll kick the sh!t out of you."



Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"



John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do what ever he wants, and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass."



Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."



Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?"



Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."



John: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us."



Me: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?"



Mary: "Oh, yes, all the time..."



Me: "And has he given you a million dollars?"



John: "Well, no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town."



Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"



Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and he kicks the sh!t out of you."



Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?"



John: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."



Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"



John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."



Me: "So what makes you think he'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"



Mary: "Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty dollar bill on the street."



Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?



John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"



Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."



John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass he'll kick the sh!t of you."



Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to him, get the details straight from him..."



Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."



Me: "Then how do you kiss his ass?"



John: "Sometimes we just blow him a kiss, and think of his ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on."



Me: "Who's Karl?"



Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."



Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?"



John: "Oh no! Karl's got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."



John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on "From the desk of Karl" letterhead. There were eleven items listed:

1.Kiss Hank's ass and he'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.

2.Use alcohol in moderation.

3.Kick the sh!t out of people who aren't like you.

4.Eat right.

5.Hank dictated this list himself.

6.The moon is made of green cheese.

7.Everything Hank says is right.

8.Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.

9.Don't drink.

10.Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.

11.Kiss Hank's ass or he'll kick the sh!t out of you.



Me: "This would appear to be written on Karl's letterhead."



Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."



Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."



John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."



Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"



Mary: "Not now, but years ago he would talk to some people."



Me: "I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the sh!t out of people just because they're different?"



Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."



Me: "How do you figure that?"



Mary: "Item 7 says, 'Everything Hanks says is right.' That's good enough for me!"



Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."



John: "No way! Item 5 says, 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says, 'Use alcohol in moderation,' item 4 says, 'Eat right,' and item 8 says, 'wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."



Me: "But 9 says, 'Don't Drink,' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says, 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."



John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."



Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."



Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from outer space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."



Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the moon came from the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."



John: "Aha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"



Me: "We do?"



Mary: "Of course we do, Item 5 says so."



Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying, 'Hank's right because he says he's right.'"



John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."



Me: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"



Mary blushes.



John says: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."



Me: "What if I don't have a bun?"



John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."



Me: "No relish? No Mustard?"



Mary looks positively stricken.



John shouts: "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"



Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"



Mary sticks her fingers in her ears:



Mary: "I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."



John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."



Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time."



Mary faints. John catches her.



John: "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the sh!t out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."



With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.



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[dxkj]

Do you people who say "There is no God, it can be explained by evolution" and "If there is a need for a God to create this universe, then I need a god who created God" realize that if you truly believe in no 'cause' or 'creator' of the universe, then the universe itself is the highest level of causation?

If a god didn't create the universe, then the universe is an uncaused entity. So in this case, the universe would be god. Of course since we are part of the universe, then we would be part of the uncaused cause. Part of a god. So even if you believe in evolution, then you should still believe in a god of some sort, be it creator, or a self-fulfilled cause like the universe.

 

[Warthog912]

Originally posted by: dxkj
Do you people who say "There is no God, it can be explained by evolution" and "If there is a need for a God to create this universe, then I need a god who created God" realize that if you truly believe in no 'cause' or 'creator' of the universe, then the universe itself is the highest level of causation?

If a god didn't create the universe, then the universe is an uncaused entity. So in this case, the universe would be god. Of course since we are part of the universe, then we would be part of the uncaused cause. Part of a god. So even if you believe in evolution, then you should still believe in a god of some sort, be it creator, or a self-fulfilled cause like the universe.

That's pretty deep, but I'd have to say I personally disagree with the last statement.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: oniq
Face it, if there was a god then he'd post in this thread!

No I wouldn't!

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was having this discussion with someone...and he insisted on arguing that there may not be a God/creator/superior being. I am interested in knowing if anyone can construct a decent argument on how this could be the case.

Basically, what I want to know is, even if you're an evolutionist, explain to me how that very first cell of life from 1,000,000,000,000 years ago came to exist.

If you believe in God, explain to me how "He" came to exist.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Kaputnik03
big boom > little organisms > evolution > you

thats my explanation

No, no, no!

Big Boom > Little orgasims > Condom breaks > you

There, that's better.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: dxkj
Do you people who say "There is no God, it can be explained by evolution" and "If there is a need for a God to create this universe, then I need a god who created God" realize that if you truly believe in no 'cause' or 'creator' of the universe, then the universe itself is the highest level of causation?

If a god didn't create the universe, then the universe is an uncaused entity. So in this case, the universe would be god. Of course since we are part of the universe, then we would be part of the uncaused cause. Part of a god. So even if you believe in evolution, then you should still believe in a god of some sort, be it creator, or a self-fulfilled cause like the universe.

you're just arguing semantics, i'm not sure that everyone would agree that any uncaused entity is a god.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: Warthog912

Originally posted by: dxkj
Do you people who say "There is no God, it can be explained by evolution" and "If there is a need for a God to create this universe, then I need a god who created God" realize that if you truly believe in no 'cause' or 'creator' of the universe, then the universe itself is the highest level of causation?

If a god didn't create the universe, then the universe is an uncaused entity. So in this case, the universe would be god. Of course since we are part of the universe, then we would be part of the uncaused cause. Part of a god. So even if you believe in evolution, then you should still believe in a god of some sort, be it creator, or a self-fulfilled cause like the universe.

That's pretty deep, but I'd have to say I personally disagree with the last statement.

Yeah, I figure most people would. My sub-point about evolution, is this. If you believe in evolution, then you believe that the scientific points of nature (amino acids, etc) could come together and slowly cause the evolution of an entire planet.... that being said, this points to a belief in science as the cause for evolution. The laws that are in place and we recognize as having caused our existence over a long period of time.

It is in this case that many people believe in the god of science, even though they wouldn't state it that way. Most religions believe that their god created them and their world. Those who believe in science are no different. Science is their creator through the process of evolution, so even if they won't recognize it as such, it can be easily categorized as a form of religion, especially whe considering the relation.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: dxkj
Do you people who say "There is no God, it can be explained by evolution" and "If there is a need for a God to create this universe, then I need a god who created God" realize that if you truly believe in no 'cause' or 'creator' of the universe, then the universe itself is the highest level of causation?

If a god didn't create the universe, then the universe is an uncaused entity. So in this case, the universe would be god. Of course since we are part of the universe, then we would be part of the uncaused cause. Part of a god. So even if you believe in evolution, then you should still believe in a god of some sort, be it creator, or a self-fulfilled cause like the universe.

Evolution has nothing to do with gods, and nothing to do with the origin of the universe. It's not a religion or a cult or a mumbo jumbo superstition.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: Warthog912

Originally posted by: dxkj
Do you people who say "There is no God, it can be explained by evolution" and "If there is a need for a God to create this universe, then I need a god who created God" realize that if you truly believe in no 'cause' or 'creator' of the universe, then the universe itself is the highest level of causation?

If a god didn't create the universe, then the universe is an uncaused entity. So in this case, the universe would be god. Of course since we are part of the universe, then we would be part of the uncaused cause. Part of a god. So even if you believe in evolution, then you should still believe in a god of some sort, be it creator, or a self-fulfilled cause like the universe.

That's pretty deep, but I'd have to say I personally disagree with the last statement.

Yeah, I figure most people would. My sub-point about evolution, is this. If you believe in evolution, then you believe that the scientific points of nature (amino acids, etc) could come together and slowly cause the evolution of an entire planet.... that being said, this points to a belief in science as the cause for evolution. The laws that are in place and we recognize as having caused our existence over a long period of time.

It is in this case that many people believe in the god of science, even though they wouldn't state it that way. Most religions believe that their god created them and their world. Those who believe in science are no different. Science is their creator through the process of evolution, so even if they won't recognize it as such, it can be easily categorized as a form of religion, especially whe considering the relation.

That's like saying we believe gravity is a spirit because we believe in it but can't see it.

 

[dxkj]

You are missing the point.


I am just pointing out that what some people see and say "god", others see and say "science".


This is the heart of the issue at hand. What religious people believe god does, scientific people believe can be explained through science. Can you stop gravity from working? Can I stop god from doing something? The laws are fixed because they are laws. If they are proven to be off, then they are re-written. Some think science is infallible and the explanation for everything. Others think god is infallible and the explanation for everything. You believe in science, they believe in god, with the same type of conviction. The only differences are the words we use to define each.

If you don't see the relation, then I apologize for my lack of clarity.

 

[JackBurton]

I'll show you all how to take care of this question.

Q: Who created everything?

A: Fairies.

Now, where do you go from there? You have faith in fairies now? With the "fairies" answer, it stops the direct correlation between an imaginary character and religion. What this question is designed to do is prove religion with something that can't be proven. However, since an imaginary being is being thrown out, something as crazy as "fairies" can be substituted for God and their feeble attempt of proving the religion just breaks down, as "fairies" play no part in their teachings.

So yes, fairies created the universe. Now what are you going to do?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
I'll show you all how to take care of this question.

Q: Who created everything?

A: Fairies.

Now, where do you go from there? You have faith in fairies now? With the "fairies" answer, it stop the direct correlation between an imaginary character and religion. What this question is designed to do is prove religion with something that can't be proven. However, since an imaginary being is being thrown out, something as crazy as "fairies" can be substituted for God and their feeble attempt of proving the religion just breaks down, as "fairies" play no part in their teachings.

So yes, fairies created the universe. Now what are you going to do?

Learn to swish when I walk?

 

[Atlantean]

1 trillion years ago? I am personally believe that there had to be some higher being that created all of this because it is too perfect, there are just too many things that if they were changed even a fraction life would not be possible...

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: Warthog912

Originally posted by: dxkj
Do you people who say "There is no God, it can be explained by evolution" and "If there is a need for a God to create this universe, then I need a god who created God" realize that if you truly believe in no 'cause' or 'creator' of the universe, then the universe itself is the highest level of causation?

If a god didn't create the universe, then the universe is an uncaused entity. So in this case, the universe would be god. Of course since we are part of the universe, then we would be part of the uncaused cause. Part of a god. So even if you believe in evolution, then you should still believe in a god of some sort, be it creator, or a self-fulfilled cause like the universe.

That's pretty deep, but I'd have to say I personally disagree with the last statement.

Yeah, I figure most people would. My sub-point about evolution, is this. If you believe in evolution, then you believe that the scientific points of nature (amino acids, etc) could come together and slowly cause the evolution of an entire planet.... that being said, this points to a belief in science as the cause for evolution. The laws that are in place and we recognize as having caused our existence over a long period of time.

It is in this case that many people believe in the god of science, even though they wouldn't state it that way. Most religions believe that their god created them and their world. Those who believe in science are no different. Science is their creator through the process of evolution, so even if they won't recognize it as such, it can be easily categorized as a form of religion, especially whe considering the relation.

Science isnt my creator, science can, however, tell me things about the universe and its history. You are confusing "source of knowledge" for "god"

 

[LAUST]

Ask yourself, are you really that scared of dying and going back tot he nothingness it was before you were born?

Thats why humans make up afterlives, they are so afraid of becoming nothing that they make $h!t up and worry about how we all came to be. It's really just an inferiority complex.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: LAUST
Ask yourself, are you really that scared of dying and going back tot he nothingness it was before you were born?

Thats why humans make up afterlives, they are so afraid of becoming nothing that they make $h!t up and worry about how we all came to be. It's really just an inferiority complex.

Unless there really is something to that inate concern of almost every human...

For one thing it's interminably difficult to argue the merit or worth of life if a human is nothing more than a mixture of a few dollars worth of chemicals and compounds.

 

[Yax]

For the non believers who keep asking about who created GOD?

I don't want to make you feel bad, but there is a GOD. He was created by the Jews.

 

[VictorLazlo]

Originally posted by: Atlantean
1 trillion years ago? I am personally believe that there had to be some higher being that created all of this because it is too perfect, there are just too many things that if they were changed even a fraction life would not be possible...

And that happened, over and over again. Millions of times, even. Nature got it wrong, and nobody cared, because nobody was created by the mistake. Then finally, after millions of tries, nature got it right, and here we are. Thats why everything seems "too perfect", because you have only bore witness to the successes of nature, and not the mistakes.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Atlantean
1 trillion years ago? I am personally believe that there had to be some higher being that created all of this because it is too perfect, there are just too many things that if they were changed even a fraction life would not be possible...

No, life may be different, or exist elsewhere. You are putting the cart before the horse in your logic.