How could there NOT be a GOD??

[Amused]

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo

Originally posted by: Atlantean
1 trillion years ago? I am personally believe that there had to be some higher being that created all of this because it is too perfect, there are just too many things that if they were changed even a fraction life would not be possible...

And that happened, over and over again. Millions of times, even. Nature got it wrong, and nobody cared, because nobody was created by the mistake. Then finally, after millions of tries, nature got it right, and here we are. Thats why everything seems "too perfect", because you have only bore witness to the successes of nature, and not the mistakes.

Not only that, but we are a product of our environment. OF COURSE it seems tailor made for us... but as I said, that's backwards logic. We evolved within our environment, therefore only those who thrived within it survived.

 

[Xionide]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
One idea is that God began everything. Now, how did God began and who began him? Being Godly, and far beyond us in intelligence and consisting of things we simply cannot comprehend with our feeble minds, that's not the right question. God simply was, and will be, and asking who began Him would be the wrong question to ask.

Who knows!

says hank

 

[OhZyeah]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was having this discussion with someone...and he insisted on arguing that there may not be a God/creator/superior being. I am interested in knowing if anyone can construct a decent argument on how this could be the case.

Basically, what I want to know is, even if you're an evolutionist, explain to me how that very first cell of life from 1,000,000,000,000 years ago came to exist.

Or what about how did GOD come to exist? If something had to create that cell, than what or who created GOD?

How can Christians argue that GOD existed b/c he does, and can't understand why evolutionists theorize that the very first cell came from thh big bang.

In conclusion: Religion is only a belief and faith for the people who needs to beleive there is something better after death. It is for people who cannot and does not want to face death.
Science on the other hand is provable with proven formulas and equations! Science are for people who realize that life is just life. Nothing happens after we die!

 

[StageLeft]

In conclusion: Religion is only a belief and faith for the people who needs to beleive there is something better after death. It is for people who cannot and does not want to face death.
Science on the other hand is provable with proven formulas and equations! Science are for people who realize that life is just life. Nothing happens after we die!

My goodness you've done it! Irretuable proof against religion on anandtech!!!

By its very nature science cannot proove God, since God cannot be disproven or proven. If God exists, then science is not adequate to explain our world is it? In truth you're putting your faith in science as being the be all and end all of all we need to explain our universe, but its shortcoming is that it can only learn based on what is tangible and proovable with reason and evidence. What exactly brought you to the conclusion that science is all that is needed to explain the universe?

 

[LongCoolMother]

if only someone could really answer your question. truth is, you can explain away all you want, but what it comes down to, is that nobody knows.

bigboom? well, what created the bigboom?
god? well, who created god then? the simple belief that something has to come from another will never end its cycle. chichek or the egg? it could be argued that was created too.

personally, i think god/religion is used to fill in the gaps and cracks of things science cannot explain. there is neither proof nor disproof of god in the realm of science, its divine, so anything can be argued for it, as it is not in the boundaries or "fundamentals" of science. ive heard arguements that show there LIKELY and there POSSIBLY is a god, but no direct evidence or proof, only suggestions.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: dxkj
You are missing the point.


I am just pointing out that what some people see and say "god", others see and say "science".


This is the heart of the issue at hand. What religious people believe god does, scientific people believe can be explained through science. Can you stop gravity from working? Can I stop god from doing something? The laws are fixed because they are laws. If they are proven to be off, then they are re-written. Some think science is infallible and the explanation for everything. Others think god is infallible and the explanation for everything. You believe in science, they believe in god, with the same type of conviction. The only differences are the words we use to define each.

If you don't see the relation, then I apologize for my lack of clarity.

if people don't see the relation, its not as likely due to a lack of clarity as it is due to the fact that most people simply do not define the word "god" as you seem to do.

 

[bonkers325]

god didnt create the universe, the universe created god

 

[Honkus]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Basically, what I want to know is, even if you're an evolutionist, explain to me how that very first cell of life from 1,000,000,000,000 years ago came to exist.

Captain Picard aimed 3 tachyon beams at the same point in space, then turned them off.

LMFAO

 

[chasem]

in my phscial geography class, it mentioned, that in a controlled enviorment, they made amino acids with lightning hitting water. thats how they said the first cell started.

 

[Whizzy]

so where did this lightning and water then came from ?!? it just existed ?!?!?
And then you believe that the world you're currently living in evolved from this one cell ?!?!?!?

riiiiiiight...

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: mto81

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: Amused
I humbly invate all of you to kiss Hank's ass with me.

HAHAHA

That WAS a great one!!!!

You should post it!!!

WOAHH I found a Video of it here!


=================================================================================================

Kiss Hank's Ass

By James Huber

...

That story makes me laugh out loud every time

Yet all the religious people fail to answer the fundamental question asked by it.

 

[SuperFreaky]

Originally posted by: Whizzy
so where did this lightning and water then came from ?!? it just existed ?!?!?
And then you believe that the world you're currently living in evolved from this one cell ?!?!?!?

riiiiiiight...

so where did this god then came from ?!? it just existed ?!?!?
And then you believe that the world you're currently living in evolved from this one god ?!?!?!?

stacking turtles...

 

[Mani]

Why are we as humans so hung up on the concept of creation? Why did everything have to be created by someone? Perhaps the universe has just always existed since the beginning of time. Or perhaps things just came about by something way beyond our comprehension.

 

[fumbduck]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
I was having this discussion with someone...and he insisted on arguing that there may not be a God/creator/superior being. I am interested in knowing if anyone can construct a decent argument on how this could be the case.

Basically, what I want to know is, even if you're an evolutionist, explain to me how that very first cell of life from 1,000,000,000,000 years ago came to exist.

Ignorant stupidity like this is why I bash my head daily.

 

[Rilescat]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Basically, what I want to know is, even if you're an evolutionist, explain to me how that very first cell of life from 1,000,000,000,000 years ago came to exist.

Captain Picard aimed 3 tachyon beams at the same point in space, then turned them off.

LOL

As long as the 'Q' dude had nothing to do with it.

"I must posess Luxana!!"
I didn't even know until recently that she was played by Gene Roddenberry's wife.

Ya, she also does all the female computer voices.

 

[VictorLazlo]

There was a time when I would sit around with friends and try to come up with good hypotheses concerning god, the origin of the universe, etc. Many times, there would come a point when our human comprehension would start to break down. For example: assuming you look at time as a fourth dimension, and assuming god has always existed and always will exist, you could look at god as a four-dimensional being. Given all of that, what sort of mechanism takes the place of "time" from a four-dimensional perspective? We are inherently incapable of comprehending it because we are three-dimensional beings using three-dimensional brains. It seems that if we as humans were capable of fully understanding what it was like to be a four-dimensional being, we would already be there. This opinion is frustration because it puts limits on the discussion, i.e. "we can't go any further into this subject because we are, by nature, incapable of comprehending it."

This is the problem with the "who created god?" question. If we were capable of understanding what it is like to be a god (or a four-dimension being) we may discover that creation is not necessary. We may discover that human (three-dimensional) explanations are not necessary or not relevant from that perspective.

 

[XZeroII]

Because liberals say so

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo
There was a time when I would sit around with friends and try to come up with good hypotheses concerning god, the origin of the universe, etc. Many times, there would come a point when our human comprehension would start to break down. For example: assuming you look at time as a fourth dimension, and assuming god has always existed and always will exist, you could look at god as a four-dimensional being. Given all of that, what sort of mechanism takes the place of "time" from a four-dimensional perspective? We are inherently incapable of comprehending it because we are three-dimensional beings using three-dimensional brains. It seems that if we as humans were capable of fully understanding what it was like to be a four-dimensional being, we would already be there. This opinion is frustration because it puts limits on the discussion, i.e. "we can't go any further into this subject because we are, by nature, incapable of comprehending it."

This is the problem with the "who created god?" question. If we were capable of understanding what it is like to be a god (or a four-dimension being) we may discover that creation is not necessary. We may discover that human (three-dimensional) explanations are not necessary or not relevant from that perspective.

Proof that if you baffle 'em with bullsh!t, they'll buy anything.

 

[VictorLazlo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo
There was a time when I would sit around with friends and try to come up with good hypotheses concerning god, the origin of the universe, etc. Many times, there would come a point when our human comprehension would start to break down. For example: assuming you look at time as a fourth dimension, and assuming god has always existed and always will exist, you could look at god as a four-dimensional being. Given all of that, what sort of mechanism takes the place of "time" from a four-dimensional perspective? We are inherently incapable of comprehending it because we are three-dimensional beings using three-dimensional brains. It seems that if we as humans were capable of fully understanding what it was like to be a four-dimensional being, we would already be there. This opinion is frustration because it puts limits on the discussion, i.e. "we can't go any further into this subject because we are, by nature, incapable of comprehending it."

This is the problem with the "who created god?" question. If we were capable of understanding what it is like to be a god (or a four-dimension being) we may discover that creation is not necessary. We may discover that human (three-dimensional) explanations are not necessary or not relevant from that perspective.

Proof that if you baffle 'em with bullsh!t, they'll buy anything.

I have a hard time gauging how strange/childish/heretical/stupid that post may seem to educated readers. The whole theory has always been a work in progress, and it's been in the back of my mind for years. The purpose of all the assumptions was to make my way to the final sentence, which is the only point of this post.

 

[Slickone]

Originally posted by: Mani
Why are we as humans so hung up on the concept of creation? Why did everything have to be created by someone? Perhaps the universe has just always existed since the beginning of time. Or perhaps things just came about by something way beyond our comprehension.

How can there be a beginning of time? When would time have started it, and what started time? Mind boggling.
Sounds like a Rush song...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo
There was a time when I would sit around with friends and try to come up with good hypotheses concerning god, the origin of the universe, etc. Many times, there would come a point when our human comprehension would start to break down. For example: assuming you look at time as a fourth dimension, and assuming god has always existed and always will exist, you could look at god as a four-dimensional being. Given all of that, what sort of mechanism takes the place of "time" from a four-dimensional perspective? We are inherently incapable of comprehending it because we are three-dimensional beings using three-dimensional brains. It seems that if we as humans were capable of fully understanding what it was like to be a four-dimensional being, we would already be there. This opinion is frustration because it puts limits on the discussion, i.e. "we can't go any further into this subject because we are, by nature, incapable of comprehending it."

This is the problem with the "who created god?" question. If we were capable of understanding what it is like to be a god (or a four-dimension being) we may discover that creation is not necessary. We may discover that human (three-dimensional) explanations are not necessary or not relevant from that perspective.

Proof that if you baffle 'em with bullsh!t, they'll buy anything.

I have a hard time gauging how strange/childish/heretical/stupid that post may seem to educated readers. The whole theory has always been a work in progress, and it's been in the back of my mind for years. The purpose of all the assumptions was to make my way to the final sentence, which is the only point of this post.

An educated reader wouldn't find anything "heretical." You and your friends need to lay off the hallucinogens.

 

[Brutuskend]

oops, wrong thread....

 

[VictorLazlo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo
There was a time when I would sit around with friends and try to come up with good hypotheses concerning god, the origin of the universe, etc. Many times, there would come a point when our human comprehension would start to break down. For example: assuming you look at time as a fourth dimension, and assuming god has always existed and always will exist, you could look at god as a four-dimensional being. Given all of that, what sort of mechanism takes the place of "time" from a four-dimensional perspective? We are inherently incapable of comprehending it because we are three-dimensional beings using three-dimensional brains. It seems that if we as humans were capable of fully understanding what it was like to be a four-dimensional being, we would already be there. This opinion is frustration because it puts limits on the discussion, i.e. "we can't go any further into this subject because we are, by nature, incapable of comprehending it."

This is the problem with the "who created god?" question. If we were capable of understanding what it is like to be a god (or a four-dimension being) we may discover that creation is not necessary. We may discover that human (three-dimensional) explanations are not necessary or not relevant from that perspective.

Proof that if you baffle 'em with bullsh!t, they'll buy anything.

I have a hard time gauging how strange/childish/heretical/stupid that post may seem to educated readers. The whole theory has always been a work in progress, and it's been in the back of my mind for years. The purpose of all the assumptions was to make my way to the final sentence, which is the only point of this post.

An educated reader wouldn't find anything "heretical." You and your friends need to lay off the hallucinogens.

Actually, I was thinking about starting, just to see if it helps generate some new ideas

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: VictorLazlo
There was a time when I would sit around with friends and try to come up with good hypotheses concerning god, the origin of the universe, etc. Many times, there would come a point when our human comprehension would start to break down. For example: assuming you look at time as a fourth dimension, and assuming god has always existed and always will exist, you could look at god as a four-dimensional being. Given all of that, what sort of mechanism takes the place of "time" from a four-dimensional perspective? We are inherently incapable of comprehending it because we are three-dimensional beings using three-dimensional brains. It seems that if we as humans were capable of fully understanding what it was like to be a four-dimensional being, we would already be there. This opinion is frustration because it puts limits on the discussion, i.e. "we can't go any further into this subject because we are, by nature, incapable of comprehending it."

This is the problem with the "who created god?" question. If we were capable of understanding what it is like to be a god (or a four-dimension being) we may discover that creation is not necessary. We may discover that human (three-dimensional) explanations are not necessary or not relevant from that perspective.

Proof that if you baffle 'em with bullsh!t, they'll buy anything.

I have a hard time gauging how strange/childish/heretical/stupid that post may seem to educated readers. The whole theory has always been a work in progress, and it's been in the back of my mind for years. The purpose of all the assumptions was to make my way to the final sentence, which is the only point of this post.

An educated reader wouldn't find anything "heretical." You and your friends need to lay off the hallucinogens.

Actually, I was thinking about starting, just to see if it helps generate some new ideas

Maybe with will work like a stimulant does in an ADD kid and you'll be normal?

 

[dr150]

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Why worry???? Be happy! You'll eventually find out! So ENJOY every minute of life as if God didn't exist--just to be on the SAFE side that you didn't waste your life away at work or in front of the Xbox.