how come we cant go to the moon with all our newfangled tech?

[DrunkenSano]

Why not have a moon station. It was expected in the year 1999. and we are in 2016 and no moon station. I bet the billions we spend on defense for wars could have gone to build a moon station that we can then launch from there to mars etc..

And the purpose of the moon station would be...?

 

[Indus]

And the purpose of the moon station would be...?

To determine how long the moon will stay in Earth's orbit?

But we already know that the moon gets further and further away which is why the Earth's rotation is slowing. 65 million years ago when dinosaurs roamed the earth, the earth's rotation was fast enough that a year had 440 days not 365 because the moon was closer.

 

[ViperXX]

And the purpose of the moon station would be...?

It's the kiddie pool of space travel. You build a base on the moon and learn how to survive. You get in trouble the earth is only 250,000 miles away to send help. Then you move on to the deep end, Mars. The lessons you learned from the moon will help you to succeed.

 

[pcgeek11]

Makes you wonder how or why it was a such a huge event.......and why we spent BILLIONS of dollars to do so.

Think of it as a way for politics to wave their dicks to communist and say "we are better than you".

When in reality, communist/Russia had most of the records and won most of the races and had better results........with 1/100th of the budget or resources.

Now you are starting to realize that America is great at selling it's people ideas to suck their tax money out of them......

And they have done a better job with Iraq......just think of the money spent vs actual results.





America - world leader of BS

What a douche ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[pcgeek11]

We don't go back to the moon because the Aliens told us to get the fuck out and don't come back.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!... and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally-NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.

 

[WHAMPOM]

With all our new technology, supercomputers on a wristwatch, super education where kids sit in front of a computer all day, modern materials and manufacturing tech we cant go to the moon?

Back then then the guys used slide rules and computers with less power than the cpu used to move the head of the harddrive in your desktop. They were able to go several times as well.

Now decades later all we have been able to do is orbit the earth. No moon station etc.. It seems all of the sudden Poof we took 100 steps backwards.

"cause rocket science is the same now as in the 1950's it still costs ten thousand times more to go to the moon then it does to make Earth orbit.

 

[WHAMPOM]

That brings up a good question. Why is there no space station that orbits the moon? Wouldn't that have been easier than trying to land on the moon again?

What's of interest on the Moon or near the Moon?

 

[alcoholbob]

To determine how long the moon will stay in Earth's orbit?

But we already know that the moon gets further and further away which is why the Earth's rotation is slowing. 65 million years ago when dinosaurs roamed the earth, the earth's rotation was fast enough that a year had 440 days not 365 because the moon was closer.

Id like to see a citation of this. Dinosaurs were roaming the Earth as late as 65 million years ago. If the earth added 75 days to a year during this period it would mean 2 billion years ago a single day was 2 hours long, which is fucking nonsense if you think complex life is going to form under those conditions, much less the Earth even maintaining its atmosphere with that much centrifugal force applied.

 

[ctbaars]

I was going to say, "but we never went the first time", but pcgeek11 beat me to it.

 

[Rakehellion]

We only went to the moon as a "fuck you" to the USSR. There's no point anymore.

 

[ctbaars]

Id like to see a citation of this. Dinosaurs were roaming the Earth as late as 65 million years ago. If the earth added 75 days to a year during this period it would mean 2 billion years ago a single day was 2 hours long, which is fucking nonsense if you think complex life is going to form under those conditions, much less the Earth even maintaining its atmosphere with that much centrifugal force applied.

21 hour days back then. The moon is moving away from us and our rotation is slowing. Tidal friction and gravitational pulling.
Edit: At equilibrium a day will be 45 days long our time.
Edit 2: 6 hours at creation per google

 

[sandorski]

One day some will live there. They'll look up at the night sky and see Earth and say, "It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there."

Meanwhile, back on Earth they'll look up at the same night sky and say, "Fuck you Moon people! Looking down on us and shit!".

 

[Rakehellion]

Id like to see a citation of this. Dinosaurs were roaming the Earth as late as 65 million years ago. If the earth added 75 days to a year during this period it would mean 2 billion years ago a single day was 2 hours long, which is fucking nonsense if you think complex life is going to form under those conditions, much less the Earth even maintaining its atmosphere with that much centrifugal force applied.

I don't think it slowed on a linear scale.

 

[Rakehellion]

We don't go back to the moon because the Aliens told us to get the fuck out and don't come back.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.

Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!... and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally-NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.

Neil Armstrong.
Neil A.
Spell that backwards.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Because humans as a collective are morons who can't think more than making a short-term buck.

 

[MongGrel]

Neil Armstrong.
Neil A.
Spell that backwards.

Was pretty cool at one time in the 70's, Neils cousin I think, I forget how they were related, had a house in our neighborhood in Anderson, Indiana at the time.

Dad just woke up and took a walk on a Sunday morning and ran into Neil just walking down the street by himself when he was visiting and had a chat passing by, was pretty cool.

 

[alcoholbob]

21 hour days back then. The moon is moving away from us and our rotation is slowing. Tidal friction and gravitational pulling.
Edit: At equilibrium a day will be 45 days long our time.
Edit 2: 6 hours at creation per google

Ive heard estimates of around 22 hours at 500 million years ago, which is a factor of more than 15 times slower than the rate Indus claimed and I see no evidence of academic research backing his claim.

 

[leper84]

Makes you wonder how or why it was a such a huge event.......and why we spent BILLIONS of dollars to do so.

Think of it as a way for politics to wave their dicks to communist and say "we are better than you".

When in reality, communist/Russia had most of the records and won most of the races and had better results........with 1/100th of the budget or resources.

Now you are starting to realize that America is great at selling it's people ideas to suck their tax money out of them......

And they have done a better job with Iraq......just think of the money spent vs actual results.



America - world leader of BS

I am sincerely glad, no bullshit, that you have the freedom to speak and think like such an amazing jackass.

 

[Paratus]

We can go to the moon with our current tech.

Block II SLS has about the same up mass as Saturn V (140Mt)
Block 1 SLS/Orion will be doing an unmanned lunar flyby circa 2018 currently.

The reason we haven't is entirely political. Back in the 60's going to the moon was a national priority and the budget NASA recieved reflected that. It was a budget that allowed us to be mostly complete within one administration, (JFKs death not withstanding).

Compare to today:

NASA recieves enough money for basically two manned programs. In the past it was fly shuttle and develop ISS. Now it's fly ISS and develop Orion. However the budget profile is such that it takes longer than one administration to complete. Budget priorities can be changed each year by congress. This makes it very difficult to complete a program, (e.g. Constellation).

As for the benefit of manned space flight, DrPizza and I have had this discussion at some length before. Unmanned space flight has a much better science bang for the buck than manned missions. Manned missions do return science but not nearly as much nor as cost efficient as unmanned.

However manned missions do provide a number of engineering innovations and spin-offs. I remember a comment from Chris Craft the original flight director for NASA. When they started Mercury they could get 22 Teletyped words per hour from around the world. By Apollo they had world wide global communications. Solving the difficult engineering problems of manned space flight and to a lesser extent unmanned space flight provides solutions for problems in other industries.


The other main thing it provides is inspiration. Basically every engineer I knew in college became an engineer because they wanted to work for NASA or wanted to be an astronaut as a kid. Most obviously didn't go on to work at NASA. Instead they went on to work elsewhere. How much benefit does the US and the world derive from kids going into science and engineering because they wanted to be astronauts?

 

[flexy]

And the purpose of the moon station would be...?

Less gravity, MUCH easier to launch rockets into space. This is why I said, a moon station would ultimately make space travel A LOT cheaper. Think about putting satellites into orbit...or launching whatever mission...with much smaller, new type rockets, MUCH less fuel required etc.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

A space elevator would make more sense so we could start building a generation ship.

 

[pcgeek11]

Neil Armstrong.
Neil A.
Spell that backwards.

Hmmmm. Never saw that.

 

[HomerJS]

With all our new technology, supercomputers on a wristwatch, super education where kids sit in front of a computer all day, modern materials and manufacturing tech we cant go to the moon?

Back then then the guys used slide rules and computers with less power than the cpu used to move the head of the harddrive in your desktop. They were able to go several times as well.

Now decades later all we have been able to do is orbit the earth. No moon station etc.. It seems all of the sudden Poof we took 100 steps backwards.

I'd settle for the average MPH for the internal combustion engine to be 50

 

[pcgeek11]

I find it amazing that most people that are saying what a waste going to the moon was have no idea at how much we learned or how many things we take for granted now came from space travel research.

It would be an entirely different world today without the moon shots.

https://www.google.com/search?q=adv...&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=advancements+from+Apollo

 

[StrangerGuy]

I find it amazing that most people that are saying what a waste going to the moon was have no idea at how much we learned or how many things we take for granted now came from space travel research.

It would be an entirely different world today without the moon shots.

https://www.google.com/search?q=adv...&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=advancements+from+Apollo

Yeah, can you imagine us going to the moon in 1969 if the 60s attitude was like now:

"Why waste so much money for the moon when we can feed STARVING AFRICAN KIDS?"
"Why waste so much money for the moon when we uber rich guys can spend it on already done-to-death skyscrapers, yachts, Ferraris and Lear jets?"
"Why waste tax dollars on the moon when we can waste far more tax dollars on the MIC? Nah, let the private companies to do it!"