How come asians aren't represented in AA policies?

[gotsmack]

This thread got me thinking about things. they linked to cnn reporting the gov't wanting to get rid of AA at a U Mich. Their current AA policy only applies to

university's affirmative action program, which helps African-American, Hispanic and Native American students.

Asians are a minority too. why are they not represented in AA policies?

 

[StageLeft]

Because all the asians I know are doctors and engineers!

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Asians are a minority too. why are they not represented in AA policies?

Traditionally, Asian-Americans have had higher than normal (compared to percentage of the population) admission rates to colleges, as well as higher median income. So, they don't fall into the category of disadvantaged minority.

It may also be that they lack a unified political front.

 

[Armitage]

My guesses.
1. They don't tend to organize around this sort of thing. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and all.
2. I think Asians may be over-represented in higher education relative to the general population. This is likely a cultural thing ... more achievement oriented and place a higher value on education.

 

[Nitemare]

Why don't Asians and Indians get minority scholarships?
How many Wongs or Changs are members of the Rainbow Coalition or NAACP?


They typically do not need it nor want it.

When have you seen an Asian parent that allowed their kid to hang out and shoot hoops after school instead of doing their homework?

 

[Zebo]

Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.


AA is not for minorites. Hell woman are the majority, it's for hose who have been shut out of the system.



Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

 

[gotsmack]

AA is ghey anyway. Gov't should not be able to tell PRIVATELY HELD companies who they should hire.

and the chinese were discriminated against during the period of the Trans continental railroad, a lot to do with immigration policies. Then the Japanese were hit pretty hard during WW2 and they were sent to camps.

 

[fastz28]

This is exactly why AA isn't really needed. When the people set high standards for themselves they succeed on their own. AA indirectly handicaps minorities.

Exactly!

 

[csf]

I can think of several examples of institutional discrimination against Asians just from my memory of high school U.S. History survey class: the Chinese Exclusion Act, the Gentleman's Agreement, and the placement of Japanese in internment camps during World War 2. Though I have not researched the subject for more examples, I think it's safe to say that there were a fair share of obstacles that Asians had to overcome because of their race. While the black civil rights movement culiminated in the 1960's with King et al., most of the legally institutionalized obstacles against blacks had gradually been abolished (slavery after the Civil War, education in Brown v. Board, etc). If you want to impose a statues of limitation upon those examples of discrimination against Asians then you have to apply it to most examples of institutional discrimination against blacks for the sake of consistency. (I believe that blaming today's white Americans for problems that our generation did not create or promote makes no sense).

So if other minorities failed to suceed where Asians did in spite of such obstacles, then who is responsible? Maybe if all the minority lobby groups took responsiblity and spent their time promoting a strong work ethic in their communities and encouraging education instead of sitting back, whining about entitlement, and trying to exort money and favoritism by race-baiting, things would be a lot better off for them. However, that requires commitment and patience, and they're too busy trying to find a quick fix that they fail to see how much they're damaging their cause. Affirmative action promotes mediocrity and many minority applicants are aware that they are held to lower standards (funny how that doesn't seem racist to them) and realize they don't have to work as hard as whites/Asians for the same benefits, and so they play the system. Where is the motivation to better oneself and try to gain a job based on merit? As long as someone can get away without doing as much work, it makes sense that he will do the minimum necessary to succeed. What people should be doing is raising the minimum and expecting everyone regardless of race to conform to a higher standard.

 

[Wino]

Afirmative Action is yet another example of the ends not justifying the means. No matter how much good you try to do with AA, at least two things will always make it wrong:

1) Attempting to remove institutional discrimitation by legislating governmental discrimination perpetuates... discrimination.
2) A government mandating discrimination for a minority provokes the majority to resent both the government and the minority.

Afirmative Action has an unequal opposite reaction.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.

Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then
you would know what is it like being an asian.

I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance.

And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.

Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then
you would know what is it like being an asian.

I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance.

And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

Take it easy and don't jump to conclusions. I know this board is great fun to do so just to add some spice to a thread but you're going off the deep end. I never said they wernt just not as much as woman and blacks and hispanics. There are degrees of who the white man will tolerate dating his daughter you know.

 

[PG]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
This thread got me thinking about things. they linked to cnn reporting the gov't wanting to get rid of AA at a U Mich. Their current AA policy only applies to

university's affirmative action program, which helps African-American, Hispanic and Native American students.

Asians are a minority too. why are they not represented in AA policies?

In some areas the asian populations are high enough so that they are not considered minorities.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.

Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then
you would know what is it like being an asian.

I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance.

And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

Take it easy and don't jump to conclusions. I know this board is great fun to do so just to add some spice to a thread but you're going off the deep end. I never said they wernt just not as much as woman and blacks and hispanics. There are degrees of who the white man will tolerate dating his daughter you know.

How come in some threads you can make a lot of sense and then in others you come across as an ass?

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.

Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then
you would know what is it like being an asian.

I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance.

And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

Take it easy and don't jump to conclusions. I know this board is great fun to do so just to add some spice to a thread but you're going off the deep end. I never said they wernt just not as much as woman and blacks and hispanics. There are degrees of who the white man will tolerate dating his daughter you know.

I didn't jump into conclusions, you've said "Since when have asians been systematically discrimnated aginst?" That statement is very clear to me that you don't fvcking know what you are talking about. So STFU.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.

Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then
you would know what is it like being an asian.

I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance.

And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

Take it easy and don't jump to conclusions. I know this board is great fun to do so just to add some spice to a thread but you're going off the deep end. I never said they wernt just not as much as woman and blacks and hispanics. There are degrees of who the white man will tolerate dating his daughter you know.

How come in some threads you can make a lot of sense and then in others you come across as an ass?

Diadatic.

 

[Ns1]

because uci means university of chinese immigrants, ucla is the university of caucasions lost of asia, id on't know waht ucb is but there are a damned lot of asians tehre too!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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[Hayabusa Rider]

Anyway...


Diadatic = Didactic?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.

Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then
you would know what is it like being an asian.

I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance.

And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

Take it easy and don't jump to conclusions. I know this board is great fun to do so just to add some spice to a thread but you're going off the deep end. I never said they wernt just not as much as woman and blacks and hispanics. There are degrees of who the white man will tolerate dating his daughter you know.

How come in some threads you can make a lot of sense and then in others you come across as an ass?

Diadatic.

Does not compute.

dictionary.com has no entries for diadatic. Maybe your diabetic?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage.

Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then
you would know what is it like being an asian.

I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance.

And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

Take it easy and don't jump to conclusions. I know this board is great fun to do so just to add some spice to a thread but you're going off the deep end. I never said they wernt just not as much as woman and blacks and hispanics. There are degrees of who the white man will tolerate dating his daughter you know.

I didn't jump into conclusions, you've said "Since when have asians been systematically discrimnated aginst?" That statement is very clear to me that you don't fvcking know what you are talking about. So STFU.

Do you have any clue about context? It's not all or nothing with discrimination, which is why I said systimatically. It was so bad (systimatic) with women and blacks then later hispanics congress and Nixon felt the need to address it with AA. I did not imply it was'nt there with other groups.

And I STFU when I want to it's a free country, not when someone who draws assumes something that is'nt there tells me.

 

[Kraeji]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Carbonyl Since when have asians been systematically discrimminated against? They are doing fine in our society and we see no need to give them any advantage. Edit: and your only half right...Asain woman are part of AA

Are you an Asian? If not, how the hell would you know whether asians have been discriminated against or not? Walk in their shoes for a week then you would know what is it like being an asian. I'm not for AA and I firmly believe that individual's merit should be a deciding factor for job. I don't want a friggin handouts, I want a fair chance. And as an Asian, I have felt the discrimination so don't you fvcking tell me we have not been discrimated in the past.

You tell him! He doesn't know what it's like to be called a beloved patriot!..

j/k i know he meant systematic.. but that exists too

 

[Ns1]

hey i never felt discriminated against....

 

[Jombo]

back to question at hand, asians can't get help from AA when entering universities because AA makes the university meet a quota of # of incoming frosh of a certain racial orgin to "even out" the playing field for those that are under-priviledged.

if Asians were also under the quota, system there would be less asians entering the universities so it would infact limit the number of incoming asian frosh. kind of like how curving your grade won't help eveyone as # of As will be same as those getting Fs in theory anyway.

but i really hate the statement, "how come (blah blah) isn't represented here?" "it's unfair!" if the world was fair, we'd live in an utopia wouldn't we? but i'm sure people will still find things to bitch about

 

[gotsmack]

not asking for a hand out. I'm just saying that if someone is giving out free pie, I want my slice.