How come asians aren't represented in AA policies?

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
AA is ghey anyway. Gov't should not be able to tell PRIVATELY HELD companies who they should hire.

and the chinese were discriminated against during the period of the Trans continental railroad, a lot to do with immigration policies. Then the Japanese were hit pretty hard during WW2 and they were sent to camps.

Affirmative Action isn't simply to help those who are at the bottom get up. It is an attempt to reverse some of the historical wrongs that were committed against certain groups. African Americans were actively and legally oppressed for a long amount of time. Women were also treated as a lower class. Not in the same way, but still resulting in women not having economic or political power. AA is an attempt to atone for that.

The japanese people in WW2 camps or their descendants each received a $20,000 check from the U.S. government in the Civil Liberties Act of 1988. Give $20,000 to the descendants of each slave, and I'll never mention AA again.

http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/civilact.html

 

[Daxxax]

This is exactly why AA isn't really needed. When the people set high standards for themselves they succeed on their own. AA indirectly handicaps minorities

Could not of put any better myself!!!

 

[simms]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
not asking for a hand out. I'm just saying that if someone is giving out free pie, I want my slice.

Hmm.. good point...

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: gotsmack
AA is ghey anyway. Gov't should not be able to tell PRIVATELY HELD companies who they should hire.

and the chinese were discriminated against during the period of the Trans continental railroad, a lot to do with immigration policies. Then the Japanese were hit pretty hard during WW2 and they were sent to camps.

Affirmative Action isn't simply to help those who are at the bottom get up. It is an attempt to reverse some of the historical wrongs that were committed against certain groups. African Americans were actively and legally oppressed for a long amount of time. AA is an attempt to atone for that.

The japanese people in WW2 camps or their descendants each received a $20,000 check from the U.S. government in the Civil Liberties Act of 1988.

http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/civilact.html

Did a lot of good for those who had their FREEDOM and their jobs and reputations taken away 45 years earlier, didn't it? Anyway, AA does not specifically target a single person or group of persons that suffered a tangible loss, unlike the Japanese-American reparations you mentioned.

IMO, AA would be tantamount to giving all the people NOW living in the Southern States an extra $50,000 each for Civil War reparations. Makes no sense now, even though lots of those "Southerners' ancestors" suffered real losses.

BTW, us Orientals (Fvck this politically-correct "Asian" sh*t) are still discriminated against...by whites, blacks, hispanics, etc.

 

[tcsenter]

Affirmative Action isn't simply to help those who are at the bottom get up. It is an attempt to reverse some of the historical wrongs that were committed against certain groups. African Americans were actively and legally oppressed for a long amount of time. AA is an attempt to atone for that.

Not quite, or white women wouldn't be among those who benefit most from Affirmative Action. AA policies are guided by the proportion of a particular ethnicity or gender in a populace and whether they are under-represented in a work force. In certain areas, the AA group which is underrepresented in the public sector compared with their proportion of the populace are Asians, in others it is Hispanics, others black, still others its women. Can't have it all ways, the "intent" of AA can't be this today, but its something else tomorrow, ever-shifting according to the argument you're attempting to rebutt.

Why aren't Asians represented in college AA policies? Because Asian culture is radically different from black culture. Asians don't require white paternalism to help them compete in a meritocracy.

 

[Howard]

Why the hell should I pay money for something I didn't do? The ones that did it are all dead, but feel free to mangle their bones if you wish.

 

[yowolabi]

Did a lot of good for those who had their FREEDOM and their jobs and reputations taken away 45 years earlier, didn't it? Anyway, AA does not specifically target a single person or group of persons that suffered a tangible loss, unlike the Japanese-American reparations you mentioned.

IMO, AA would be tantamount to giving all the people NOW living in the Southern States an extra $50,000 each for Civil War reparations. Makes no sense now, even though lots of those "Southerners' ancestors" suffered real losses.

BTW, us Orientals (Fvck this politically-correct "Asian" sh*t) are still discriminated against...by whites, blacks, hispanics, etc.

I'm saying don't bring up the Japanese in WWII camps anymore because that has been addressed. People are acting like they should they should be included in AA also. That shouldn't be included in any pro AA for Asians argument.

Since when do the winners of a war give money to the losers? If the position of the South is that they were a separate country, then how could they possibly be entitled to be paid. That's not comparable.

Tscenter: I actually edited my post before you replied and included women, but you were still looking at the first version. AA itself has changed as time went by. In my opinion, it is too inclusive. White women are the biggest group that benefits from it.

Nothing was ever done to specifically address the wrongs done to African Americans from slavery all the way up to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which by the fact that it was needed shows just how big a problem still existed.

 

[tcsenter]

Nothing was ever done to specifically address the wrongs done to African Americans from slavery all the way up to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which by the fact that it was needed shows just how big a problem still existed.

Sure it was, the wrong was corrected; slaves were freed, the civil rights of blacks were protected, largely due to the advocacy of abolitionist WHITES. In fact, it could NEVER have been done without the contributions and advocacy of abolitionist WHITES. That's your righting the wrongs of the past.

This was not a 'phenomena' of the United States. Slavery was the accepted world practice and had been since antiquity. The United States didn't 'start' slavery, but we did end it in this hemisphere. The US inherited the practices and philosophies of slavery from the UK, sue them.

 

[Tom]

"giving all the people NOW living in the Southern States an extra $50,000 each for Civil War reparations."

Give them all $50,000 ??? Heck, Southerners ought to give all us Northerners $50,000 each for putting us through the Civil War.

I could really use it now too, Christmas bills and all..

 

[PsychoAndy]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: gotsmack

Asians are a minority too. why are they not represented in AA policies?

Traditionally, Asian-Americans have had higher than normal (compared to percentage of the population) admission rates to colleges, as well as higher median income. So, they don't fall into the category of disadvantaged minority.

It may also be that they lack a unified political front.

^^^ Good answer. Most asian people seem to be of the "omg i got a A+, not an A+++" variety, so I doubt many really need affirmative action. I don't really care about AA, if it helps me get into a school, fine, but if not, that's the way the chips fall. I wouldn't say we aren't discriminated against (see Shaq vs yao Ming thread), though.

 

[josphII]

How come asians aren't represented in AA policies?

because asians are too proud to be belittled by such programs!

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
Since when do the winners of a war give money to the losers?

WWII, The US rebuilt most of europe and parts of japan after the war.

 

[Zebo]

Why aren't Asians represented in college AA policies? Because Asian culture is radically different from black culture. Asians don't require white paternalism to help them compete in a meritocracy.

All asian women are represented by AA. And the "model minoriity" stereotype is a myth because Asian-Americans still bump into the glass ceiling, receive lower pay even with the same qualifications, and have higher poverty rates.



Your right it is different but not for the reasons you state. We get the voluntary, the educated and the best over here and those with money to get here. Not like the Blacks, women and hispanics where the sample is much larger pool with a huge crosssection of traits.

"Asians, who migrate voluntarily, tend to be self-selected. What type of voluntary immigrant would take residence in the U.S.? Naturally, those who could afford to make the trip. For immigrants from neighboring nations, like Mexico, this is relatively easy, a matter of crossing a land border. Again, this would tend to make the U.S. Hispanic population a true cross section of its original society. Asians, however, must be able to afford a trans-oceanic journey. Not surprisingly, those who could afford such a trip would tend to belong to their homeland's middle and upper classes. " Makes sence.