How can you say you support the troops?

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Okay, i'm a bit frustrated all of a sudden. I've been sitting here gritting my teeth for the past week and a half or so about some of the comments made from the leftists of P&N.

References like "Dumba**es" and calling Bush Supporters ignorant or stupid. Then, going back and talking about how much you appreciate our troops. How much you wish "our boys" didn't have to go over there and die.

Lets not forget that "our boys" voted 4-1 in favor of Bush. If you guys truely supported them, you would listen to them when they made the stand that THEY feel they should be over there. THEY feel that Bush has made the right decisions. Who are you leftists to be two faced about the way they feel? You guys arn't the one over there dying, they are.

So next time you begin criticizing the Bush Supporters, think of the ones that over there fighting and putting their life on the line, whether you feel it is for our safety or not.

You are so fvcked in the head it isn't even funny, tell me, when am i going to see you by my side?

 

[Kibbo]

(Jumping in the debate while it's halfway through)

Alistar,

Since when does the US go to war on the say-so of the boody Russians?!?

And how is going to war based on Russian information any different than delaying action based on French mistrust of that information?

Why would you hand over control of your foriegn policy to a former KGB agent who is slowly but surely bringing his country back into totalitarianism?

My basic point is, before 9/11, who would you have trusted more, the Russians, or the French? The French have been allied with the Americans since the Revolution. The Russians were your explicit enemies until 1993. There have been Russians, French and even American officials accused of playing silly buggers with the oil-for-food.

Did you ever think that maybe Putin wanted you to go to war to distract you from what's going on in Grozny? Or how he's slowly consolidating his absolute power in the Kremlin, making the Dumas irrelevant? Notice how silent the White House has been on these issues?

How do you explain how stupidly wrong his information was? Say what you will about the Russians, they are not stupid.

Did you ever think for one moment that he's wagging your dog?

Edit: Expansion of the idea, 'cause I'm a long-winded bastardo.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
(Jumping in the debate while it's halfway through)

Alistar,

Since when does the US go to war on the say-so of the boody Russians?!?

And how is going to war based on Russian information any different than delaying action based on French mistrust of that information?

Why would you hand over control of your foriegn policy to a former KGB agent who is slowly but surely bringing his country back into totalitarianism?

My basic point is, before 9/11, who would you have trusted more, the Russians, or the French? The French have been allied with the Americans since the Revolution. The Russians were your explicit enemies until 1993. There have been Russians, French and even American officials accused of playing silly buggers with the oil-for-food.

Did you ever think that maybe Putin wanted you to go to war to distract you from what's going on in Grozny? Or how he's slowly consolidating his absolute power in the Kremlin, making the Dumas irrelevant? Notice how silent the White House has been on these issues?

How do you explain how stupidly wrong his information was? Say what you will about the Russians, they are not stupid.

Did you ever think for one moment that he's wagging your dog?

Edit: Expansion of the idea, 'cause I'm a long-winded bastardo.

Maybe his own problems with terrorism were his reasoning, who really knows, but it is good debatable material. I'm sure it was not just accepteed as fact with no research by our own agencies, I know they, unlike Bush, are not that ignorant. Say what you want, Bush is ignorant.

In regards to Iraq I would have trusted the Soviets more than the French, who were IMO more corrupted in regards to the food for oil program and profiting far more. They even tried to prevent the program from being scrapped AFTER Saddam was gone on the arguement he still had not lived up the UN requirements regarding WMD. Rather odd wouldn't you say, he wasn't even in power anymore, but they still wanted the program to be in effect.


"How do you explain how stupidly wrong his information was? "

It has never been shown what Putin presented was wrong, the actual specifics of which were never released BTW. You are speaking about what the UN, and every other western intel agency thought about Saddams then current WMD capabilities. Alot of that was based on Saddam wanting it that way, he never wanted people, especially in neighboring countries like Iran to know for certain he really had little or none left. Bad call on his part, but he was also pretty sure he had bought enough protection on the UN security council.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

I can simultaneously oppose this Bush administration and wish the best for our troops.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
I can simultaneously oppose this Bush administration and wish the best for our troops.

Good, I really don't want to see American soldiers spit on when they come home this time.....

 

[ECUHITMAN]

who the hell cares who the troops voted for? I dont. I know plenty military people that are AGAINST what we are doing but they still do it...they didnt join the Texas Air National Guard, like our coward little president did. Give me a break. I do not understand why it is an all or nothing with you far right nut jobs, why can't I support the troops but not support the war? GIVE ME ONE F'EN REASON WHY I CANNOT DO THAT??? JUST ONE!!!!!

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: TravisT
Lets not forget that "our boys" voted 4-1 in favor of Bush.

The article you cite was dated 10/03/04 and begins, "An unscientific survey of U.S. military personnel shows they support . . .

 

[Zebo]

I support the ones who put thier career and life on the line and tell thier CO to go suck it because the war is illegal. Soldiers are sworn to defend the constitution, and since our constitution says we must abide by all international treaties we sign including the UN treaties, and since UN delared it illegal... well. I also support them all coming home now, with all thier legs eyes and arms attached. Not mired in an aggressive foriegn war which is basically a futile excersise. Even neo-cons like krawthammer and freidman are saying they fusked up with thier prewar cheerleading and it's a black hole.

 

[VTrider]

I wish I would see just one "God Bless Iraq" magnetic ribbon on a vehicle. Unfortunately I don't think i'll ever see one - as patriotic and American that message would be, it would end up confusing most people.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Bull-sh1t.

I supoprt the soldiers of free nations everywhere; including the ones who believe that fighting in Iraq is necessary. They put their lives on the line for their nation's freedom every day, and thereis no way not to respect this.
Their leaders may make me sick, but the troops, I support fully.

 

[Tab]

Whatever happenend to the OP? Did he go hide under Dubya's Desk?

It has never been shown what Putin presented was wrong, the actual specifics of which were never released BTW.

I bet its hard to prove him wrong :roll:

 

[EDoG2K]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I support the ones who put thier career and life on the line and tell thier CO to go suck it because the war is illegal. Soldiers are sworn to defend the constitution, and since our constitution says we must abide by all international treaties we sign including the UN treaties, and since UN delared it illegal... well. I also support them all coming home now, with all thier legs eyes and arms attached. Not mired in an aggressive foriegn war which is basically a futile excersise. Even neo-cons like krawthammer and freidman are saying they fusked up with thier prewar cheerleading and it's a black hole.

well said.


No one has mentioned this yet, so I think I will. "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" sends a bad message to the troops, its demoralizing, they want an optimistic view, blah blah blah. You know what... our troops are dying for NOTHING. you hear that lady, who just lost your son? He died for nothing. He wasn't making America safer, he died for the president you probably voted for and nothing else.

These lives have been lost for NOTHING! Your son died in vain, ma'am.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I support our troups. Get them out of Iraq. Place Bush under international arrest. Try him in the Hague. 4 to 1 the soldiers in the world agree with me.

1 billion to one says that the soldiers of the world don't MATTER to our election, not to mention our soldiers would kick their ass infinity to one

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Support Our Troops, Not The War

Im pretty sure thats what german citizens said. Actually it might have been more like " I support our troops, just not the thing with the ovens".

I am not comparing our troops with nazis, Im comparing your faux support with those of the german citizenry.

I do support our troops, I do support what they are doing.

you are aware that it really can be interchanged FREELY - *everyone* can (and will) say "support our troops" - Americans, Insurgents, Chinese Red Army, German Nazi Troops.
IT DOESNT FVSKING MATTER.

You say "i am pretty sure thats what the german citizens said"....OF COURSE, i guess, they said it.

I could also say: "OF COURSE - i support our troops, except what happens in Abu Ghaib, Guatanamo ETCETERA ETCETERA, random injustice and immoral wrong doings whatsoever"

YOU THINK (YOU --> THINK <--) that your support is *not* faux because you (we all) are biased.....because your mind works so simple, you think that EVERYTHING "we" do automatically is legitime, justified and in good cause, protected by god etc....so it must be OK and the support must be real and genuine.

Problem: EVERYONE thinks like that....our enemies, the former Nazis, WHOEVER.

Also..ever thought that far that a current view of how "legit" political/military actions are can easily bent and be turned into the opposite - depending on the current society/view.

Eg. there is a chance that in some years CERTAIN actions (of our current gvt/military)which come as legit and fine now now COULD be seen as outrageos atrocieties/crimes...and THEN you might ALSO see people pointing out the "faux support" of the people ion the year 2004 who supprted the war which, THEN, could be rather seen as a crime.

So..this just to give YOU something to think before you start claiming that someone's support is/was "faux" - while, IN THE SAME SENTENCE, write down that YOU support our troops and that you really THINK that YOUR support is the only genuine, legitimate one compared to the others.

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K

Originally posted by: Zebo
I support the ones who put thier career and life on the line and tell thier CO to go suck it because the war is illegal. Soldiers are sworn to defend the constitution, and since our constitution says we must abide by all international treaties we sign including the UN treaties, and since UN delared it illegal... well. I also support them all coming home now, with all thier legs eyes and arms attached. Not mired in an aggressive foriegn war which is basically a futile excersise. Even neo-cons like krawthammer and freidman are saying they fusked up with thier prewar cheerleading and it's a black hole.

well said.


No one has mentioned this yet, so I think I will. "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" sends a bad message to the troops, its demoralizing, they want an optimistic view, blah blah blah. You know what... our troops are dying for NOTHING. you hear that lady, who just lost your son? He died for nothing. He wasn't making America safer, he died for the president you probably voted for and nothing else.

These lives have been lost for NOTHING! Your son died in vain, ma'am.

Oh well should have not joined thats his fault.

 

[EDoG2K]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I support our troups. Get them out of Iraq. Place Bush under international arrest. Try him in the Hague. 4 to 1 the soldiers in the world agree with me.

1 billion to one says that the soldiers of the world don't MATTER to our election, not to mention our soldiers would kick their ass infinity to one

10 bucks says your an ethnocentric ass who doesn't want to die for Dubya.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I support our troups. Get them out of Iraq. Place Bush under international arrest. Try him in the Hague. 4 to 1 the soldiers in the world agree with me.

1 billion to one says that the soldiers of the world don't MATTER to our election, not to mention our soldiers would kick their ass infinity to one

10 bucks says your an ethnocentric ass who doesn't want to die for Dubya.

ethnocentric? Nah. Nationalistic? Yeah. Am I in the military? no, but neither are 297 million other American citizens. You don't have to be in the military to support a military action.

Edit: I'll pm you my paypal account to give me my $10 son.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: conjur
Support Our Troops, Not The War

Im pretty sure thats what german citizens said. Actually it might have been more like " I support our troops, just not the thing with the ovens".

I am not comparing our troops with nazis, Im comparing your faux support with those of the german citizenry.

I do support our troops, I do support what they are doing.

SO...If you were a German citizen back then you would have supported the troops and "the thing with the ovens"... GOOD TO KNOW how you think ....

 

[judasmachine]

I don't support them, I think they volunteered to be killers, now they are, and now they want to kill, and it is being done in my name! I do not support murder even if it's got the official stamp of the US government on it. I think they do not deserve my respect, my gratitude, or my support. They are not protecting me, they are protecting a way of life that belongs to the men who invaded this country over the last 5 centuries. Support your troops, BAH HUMBUG! In the end, I wish peace of mind, heart, and soul on every single person on this planet. If you "morality guys" won't do it I'll turn the other cheek.

EDIT: BTW when you put the magnet on your car, do you support the poor little SE asian kids who make them?

 

[Format C:]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K

Originally posted by: Zebo
I support the ones who put thier career and life on the line and tell thier CO to go suck it because the war is illegal. Soldiers are sworn to defend the constitution, and since our constitution says we must abide by all international treaties we sign including the UN treaties, and since UN delared it illegal... well. I also support them all coming home now, with all thier legs eyes and arms attached. Not mired in an aggressive foriegn war which is basically a futile excersise. Even neo-cons like krawthammer and freidman are saying they fusked up with thier prewar cheerleading and it's a black hole.

well said.


No one has mentioned this yet, so I think I will. "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" sends a bad message to the troops, its demoralizing, they want an optimistic view, blah blah blah. You know what... our troops are dying for NOTHING. you hear that lady, who just lost your son? He died for nothing. He wasn't making America safer, he died for the president you probably voted for and nothing else.

These lives have been lost for NOTHING! Your son died in vain, ma'am.

I'm not at all surprised that you'd address those comments to the Mother. Not at all. How about you keep a close eye on the newspapers, hunt down the parents of one of the fallen, and walk your enlightened self up and say that same thing to their Father or brother, face to face. If there's anything left of your sorry-assed self afterwards then slither on back in here and post the results of your little experiment in confrontational liberalism. Go ahead. I dare ya.

 

[Zebo]

I would'nt cause it's totally insensitive. But I have no doubt the mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters question it. Goes w/o saying. When was the last time we were attacked? WWII? Never had an issue with troop support then because it was 100% popular defensive war. Guys from that generation tell stories they were trampleing over one another just to get down to the local recruiting office to volunteer. Way different then the situation here where stop gaps and call backs are needed for retension. face it, it's a not needed war and beligerant one which is not going to be popular even less so if 50%+ of americans did'nt believe the Aq to Iraq ties and WMD non-sense.

 

[EDoG2K]

Originally posted by: Format C:

Originally posted by: EDoG2K

Originally posted by: Zebo
I support the ones who put thier career and life on the line and tell thier CO to go suck it because the war is illegal. Soldiers are sworn to defend the constitution, and since our constitution says we must abide by all international treaties we sign including the UN treaties, and since UN delared it illegal... well. I also support them all coming home now, with all thier legs eyes and arms attached. Not mired in an aggressive foriegn war which is basically a futile excersise. Even neo-cons like krawthammer and freidman are saying they fusked up with thier prewar cheerleading and it's a black hole.

well said.


No one has mentioned this yet, so I think I will. "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" sends a bad message to the troops, its demoralizing, they want an optimistic view, blah blah blah. You know what... our troops are dying for NOTHING. you hear that lady, who just lost your son? He died for nothing. He wasn't making America safer, he died for the president you probably voted for and nothing else.

These lives have been lost for NOTHING! Your son died in vain, ma'am.

I'm not at all surprised that you'd address those comments to the Mother. Not at all. How about you keep a close eye on the newspapers, hunt down the parents of one of the fallen, and walk your enlightened self up and say that same thing to their Father or brother, face to face. If there's anything left of your sorry-assed self afterwards then slither on back in here and post the results of your little experiment in confrontational liberalism. Go ahead. I dare ya.

If that's the case, they are living in a fantasy world. I am sorry for their loss and I'm sure their son fought bravely, but it doesn't change the fact that this was an elective war, a pre-emptive strike on a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason. Saddam should be re-instated with an apology. The premises for war (WMD) have been proven to be false. We don't go around attacking every country who has an a-hole for a leader, so why pick on Saddam? By that standard, the rest of the world should invade the United States and depose of Bush. What's with the double standard?

Bush should be tried as a war criminal. Of course he won't, but he should.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: EDoG2K

Originally posted by: Format C:

Originally posted by: EDoG2K

Originally posted by: Zebo
I support the ones who put thier career and life on the line and tell thier CO to go suck it because the war is illegal. Soldiers are sworn to defend the constitution, and since our constitution says we must abide by all international treaties we sign including the UN treaties, and since UN delared it illegal... well. I also support them all coming home now, with all thier legs eyes and arms attached. Not mired in an aggressive foriegn war which is basically a futile excersise. Even neo-cons like krawthammer and freidman are saying they fusked up with thier prewar cheerleading and it's a black hole.

well said.


No one has mentioned this yet, so I think I will. "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" sends a bad message to the troops, its demoralizing, they want an optimistic view, blah blah blah. You know what... our troops are dying for NOTHING. you hear that lady, who just lost your son? He died for nothing. He wasn't making America safer, he died for the president you probably voted for and nothing else.

These lives have been lost for NOTHING! Your son died in vain, ma'am.

I'm not at all surprised that you'd address those comments to the Mother. Not at all. How about you keep a close eye on the newspapers, hunt down the parents of one of the fallen, and walk your enlightened self up and say that same thing to their Father or brother, face to face. If there's anything left of your sorry-assed self afterwards then slither on back in here and post the results of your little experiment in confrontational liberalism. Go ahead. I dare ya.

If that's the case, they are living in a fantasy world. I am sorry for their loss and I'm sure their son fought bravely, but it doesn't change the fact that this was an elective war, a pre-emptive strike on a sovereign nation for no legitimate reason. Saddam should be re-instated with an apology. The premises for war (WMD) have been proven to be false. We don't go around attacking every country who has an a-hole for a leader, so why pick on Saddam? By that standard, the rest of the world should invade the United States and depose of Bush. What's with the double standard?

Bush should be tried as a war criminal. Of course he won't, but he should.

He should be tried as a war criminal from the Guat. Bay prison...