Given that the Catholic Church is strongly anti-abortion and the Democratic party is pro-choice, how can one be both a Catholic and a Democrat?
How can you be a Catholic and a Democrat?
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Most Catholics in the US don't give a flying f about what the church says about abortion/divorce/etc.
It would intefere with thier drinking and fornicating.
It would intefere with thier drinking and fornicating.
I would say at least 80% of people who declare themselves religious in this country do it more out of habit and upbringing than anything. In thier daily lives they probably do many things officially prohibited by thier religion.
Because some Catholics don't follow the Catholic Church's teachings letter-for-letter.
Are they true Catholics then?
Perhaps not. Perhaps they should seek out a different organized religion that more closely matches their beliefs. However, that means, socially, they'll be with different people. People other than the ones they've known for years so perhaps these Catholic justify their reasoning in order to keep from having to change too much in their lives?
Are they true Catholics then?
Perhaps not. Perhaps they should seek out a different organized religion that more closely matches their beliefs. However, that means, socially, they'll be with different people. People other than the ones they've known for years so perhaps these Catholic justify their reasoning in order to keep from having to change too much in their lives?
Perhaps you are not aware of the church's position on abortion. There doesn't seem to be much wiggle room.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Life in Christ - Sections 2270-75
Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person ? among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being in life.
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.
Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.
God, the Lord of Life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.
Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. ?A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae by the very commission of the offense? and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:
?The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being?s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death?
?The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child?s rights.?
Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.
Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, ?if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human foetus and is directed toward its safeguarding or healing as an individual?.It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence.
?One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing, the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival.?
?It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material?
?Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity? which are unique and unrepeatable.
How could you be a Republican and be a Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Protestant, Zoroastrian, Hindu, or Buddhist?
-Robert
-Robert
granted i'm catholic and i dont support abortion, but that is one issue out of many that catholics support. a few others.
Social justice
Unconditional help for the poor or needy
Immigration ? both legal or otherwise
I'll redirect the question, how can any catholic vote republican?
psst. i'm catholic and know many priests, none of them vote republican.
"Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense."
Isn't supporting a party that is pro-choice an act of "formal cooperation in an abortion"?
Isn't supporting a party that is pro-choice an act of "formal cooperation in an abortion"?
even if they believe the teachings of the church it's not hard to find many good Christian doctrines in the democratic party *love thy neighbor as thyself*; so, particularly if you think abortion has no chance of being eliminated, it's not unreasonable to vote for a Democrat and be a catholic.
The place that i live in is 80% Catholic and 70% democrat: of course it's also 85% Hispanic and has one of the lowest un-employment rates in the country.
not if their is nothing to be done about abortion;
but you shouldn't work for an abortion clinic, or do work in making an abortion clinic, or teach in a medical school that teaches the performance of abortion etc..
read on
"Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. ?A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae by the very commission of the offense? and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law."
I?m not aware of any political candidate procuring abortions? As I stated, most Catholics don?t support abortions, however some democratic candidates believe its the women?s right to choose.
I support pro-life as well as the other issues the catholic church believes in, and I will be voting for Kerry.
Its still a free country, vote for whoever you want.
no. "formal cooperation" means, for example, a Physician performing an abortion,
a nurse assisting during one, you advising someone to have one, etc.
"Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense."
Don't you think there is complicity when you vote for a candidate who votes against a ban on partial birth abortion and will use abortion as a litmus test for judicial nominees?
Slice it any way you want, but I don't think that you can be a good Catholic and support a candidate that is pro-choice. Of course, if politics is more important than faith, it's a non-issue.
You cant.......
Its quite simple....... they compromised their princibles
At the VERY LEAST they are delusional, and only kidding themselves. Somehow they actually manage to convince themselves the can have it both ways and still be "right".
Xochi,
The Roman Catholic Church has never condoned illegal activities, as you seemed to have suggested. Immigration is good for soceities. Illegal Immigration is detrimental. The Christ of the Christians himself stated that "Give unto Caesar what is his". This statement (paraphrased) is widely beleived to mean that The Christ was telling his followers to obey the law of the land in which they were in.
I understand your personal bias, but to state so boldly that The Roman Catholic Church supports criminal activities is false. What a Parish, or a Parish Priest does, or does not support, does not change the laws of the Church.
You are kind of supporting the argument made by tnitsuj that most are religious to the extent that they were raised that way, and not necessarily that the follow the laws of the Church.
The Roman Catholic Church has never condoned illegal activities, as you seemed to have suggested. Immigration is good for soceities. Illegal Immigration is detrimental. The Christ of the Christians himself stated that "Give unto Caesar what is his". This statement (paraphrased) is widely beleived to mean that The Christ was telling his followers to obey the law of the land in which they were in.
I understand your personal bias, but to state so boldly that The Roman Catholic Church supports criminal activities is false. What a Parish, or a Parish Priest does, or does not support, does not change the laws of the Church.
You are kind of supporting the argument made by tnitsuj that most are religious to the extent that they were raised that way, and not necessarily that the follow the laws of the Church.
Are Catholics who vote Republican also compromising their principles with regards to the death penalty?
As partisan as this forum seems, I bet it would be hard to find a single person who's 100% in line with either major party.
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