how can we rid society of unions?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

You do realize that a lot of employees for Massey at the mine that had the accident have defended the company and CEO?

Here's the simplest truth in the world... if you don't like your job LEAVE. What is so hard to understand about that?

And FYI the issues at the mining company would not have been solved with a union. The issue is related to a recent change in govt regulations. Regardless that will be changed now and why? Because of how quickly information gets around these days.

Most of the US is without unions and operates just fine. Without people getting a salary jump for no reason. Septa in Philadelphia is a perfect example this past year. There was a strike because they didin't get the raises etc. It's a joke. The bus drivers make more then many Americans for doing something just about anybody with a half a brain can do. Unions allow people to get a higher wage then the value of the job.

yup, red dawn subscribes to the entitlement mentality that many in this country do.
they feel they deserve their job at an inflated wage, regardless of their limited skill set and regardless of the fact that thousands of others that can do their job for less.

they are unable to leave their union job because they cannot stand on their own two feet.
they are weak. their value is severely decreased unless they band together and threaten to cripple the company unless their compensation demands are met.

what's even dumber is why corporations continue to give in to their demands.

 

[Brainonska511]

Here's the simplest truth in the world... if you don't like your job LEAVE. What is so hard to understand about that?
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You have the 'simple' part down. Unfortunately, the world is not as simple as you think it is. Not everyone has the means to relocate their family and find another job somewhere else. The 'free market' isn't the be-all-end-all.

 

[Red Dawn]

yup, red dawn subscribes to the entitlement mentality that many in this country do.

How so?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

You have the 'simple' part down. Unfortunately, the world is not as simple as you think it is. Not everyone has the means to relocate their family and find another job somewhere else. The 'free market' isn't the be-all-end-all.

no one said life is easy or fair.
unfortunately, seems like most people expect handouts in life.

 

[SirStev0]

yup, red dawn subscribes to the entitlement mentality that many in this country do.
they feel they deserve their job at an inflated wage, regardless of their limited skill set and regardless of the fact that thousands of others that can do their job for less.

they are unable to leave their union job because they cannot stand on their own two feet.
they are weak. their value is severely decreased unless they band together and threaten to cripple the company unless their compensation demands are met.

what's even dumber is why corporations continue to give in to their demands.

I love this whole "entitlement mentality" catch phrase. Usually put into the sheeps mind by the very people who are actually in the entitled class.


Fact is people need to work. Coal needs to be mined. Some people aren't going to run off and become engineers or business men. They are going to mine coal.

Now they could submit to the fact that they have to work for piss wages in unsafe conditions. Or they can unionize and maybe get a far wage and not die in a dark flooding cave that collapsed so the actual ENTITLED class can get another couple clicks on their stocks.

Or maybe they are just a bunch of lazy porch monkeys like Blah seems to think.

 

[SirStev0]

no one said life is easy or fair.
unfortunately, seems like most people expect handouts in life.

Yep, handouts. Like ceiling support so you don't die. How dare they ask for so much? Don't they know the boss needs another yacht?

 

[ayabe]

Yep, handout. Like ceiling support so you don't die.

It's sad really, especially considering the criminal behavior at the Massey mine that is now being investigated.

Stuff like this is exactly why unions came to be and why they continue to be essential even in these modern times.

 

[SirStev0]

It's sad really, especially considering the criminal behavior at the Massey mine that is now being investigated.

Stuff like this is exactly why unions came to be and why they continue to be essential even in these modern times.

Oh I know. I don't actually expect any of the chickenhawks on here to actually respond to this. Frankly they have no argument here and attempting to do so would threaten their precious party-ingrained dogma.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I love this whole "entitlement mentality" catch phrase. Usually put into the sheeps mind by the very people who are actually in the entitled class.


Fact is people need to work. Coal needs to be mined. Some people aren't going to run off and become engineers or business men. They are going to mine coal.

Now they could submit to the fact that they have to work for piss wages in unsafe conditions. Or they can unionize and maybe get a far wage and not die in a dark flooding cave that collapsed so the actual ENTITLED class can get another couple clicks on their stocks.

Or maybe they are just a bunch of lazy porch monkeys like Blah seems to think.

fact is, if they can't handle a dangerous job like mining, they should do something else.
no one is forcing them to be miners.

the mexicans will be willing to do it for less without unionizing.

 

[SirStev0]

fact is, if they can't handle a dangerous job like mining, they should do something else.
no one is forcing them to be miners.

the mexicans will be willing to do it for less without unionizing.

Mining doesn't have to be a dangerous job. You fuck head. It only is when we (society) allow robber barons to run business that only worries about the almighty dollar.

Fuck, I bet you'd support childlabor laws just thrown out the window too. I mean preteens would have a much easier time getting into those tight spots to really get that coal.

EDIT: I mean seriously you aren't even doing a good job at trolling here. Either make your troll post funny or get a legit argument.

 

[BigDH01]

fact is, if they can't handle a dangerous job like mining, they should do something else.
no one is forcing them to be miners.

the mexicans will be willing to do it for less without unionizing.

This is called vulgar libertarianism. It's the free market defense of the current system without recognizing the privilege that currently exists and pretending that the limited choices present to the WV miners are somehow just and the natural set of choices available to these men in a true free market.

Vulgar Libertarianism

 

[Red Dawn]

Mining doesn't have to be a dangerous job. You fuck head. It only is when we (society) allow robber barons to run business that only worries about the almighty dollar.

Fuck, I bet you'd support childlabor laws just thrown out the window too. I mean preteens would have a much easier time getting into those tight spots to really get that coal.

EDIT: I mean seriously you aren't even doing a good job at trolling here. Either make your troll post funny or get a legit argument.

He obviously feels he is entitled.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Mining doesn't have to be a dangerous job. You fuck head. It only is when we (society) allow robber barons to run business that only worries about the almighty dollar.

Fuck, I bet you'd support childlabor laws just thrown out the window too. I mean preteens would have a much easier time getting into those tight spots to really get that coal.

EDIT: I mean seriously you aren't even doing a good job at trolling here. Either make your troll post funny or get a legit argument.

 

[Moonbeam]

To get rid of unions you need to unionize. It can only be done by the force of the collective.

 

[SirStev0]

Good comeback.

 

[Naeeldar]

You have the 'simple' part down. Unfortunately, the world is not as simple as you think it is. Not everyone has the means to relocate their family and find another job somewhere else. The 'free market' isn't the be-all-end-all.

That's life though. It's not the job of a company to give you everything you want. unions are able to bend companies over backwards on salaries and everything else.

And the simple truth is 99/100 people in those situations could work to find away if they really wanted to.

As to the Massey thing. I realize the CEO is a problem. A union wouldn't of fixed that. Dangerous industries like mining do need better oversight but the reality is the govt messed up with the appeals system, not the actually regulation.

And the fact of the matter is few unions are around for safety reasons. Mining and other things like offshore drilling are dangerous and need more regulation. but how many unions actually focus on that today? It's pretty much all salary/benefits/vacation time.

 

[JSt0rm]

single payer healthcare would go a long way to get rid of unions. It's really the last reason to unionize. Everything else is basically law now (40 hour work weeks and what not)

 

[SirStev0]

That's life though. It's not the job of a company to give you everything you want. unions are able to bend companies over backwards on salaries and everything else.

And the simple truth is 99/100 people in those situations could work to find away if they really wanted to.

As to the Massey thing. I realize the CEO is a problem. A union wouldn't of fixed that. Dangerous industries like mining do need better oversight but the reality is the govt messed up with the appeals system, not the actually regulation.

And the fact of the matter is few unions are around for safety reasons. Mining and other things like offshore drilling are dangerous and need more regulation. but how many unions actually focus on that today? It's pretty much all salary/benefits/vacation time.

In 2009, the company, Massey Energy, was fined a total of $382,000 for "serious" unrepentant violations for lacking ventilation and proper equipment plans as well as failing to utilize its safety plan properly.[18] In the previous month, the authorities cited the mine for 57 safety infractions.[19] The mine received two citations the day before the explosion and in the last five years has been cited for 1,342 safety violations.


The guy is above the law. The only option they have is a strike. Which will be much more of hardship on the worker than on good old Donny. He has been hoping for one as an excuse to point out the Unions causing problems for the state and one of their largest industries. Just happened an accident happened first and people died.
But then BP handed Blankenship one of the greatest get out of jail free cards of all time.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

awww... widdle stev0 is mad.

 

[SirStev0]

awww... widdle stev0 is mad.

haha. best you can do? I expected more. I assume you are going to keep going off-topic since you have nothing else.

please see my sig, friendo.

 

[sandorski]

People who advocate getting rid of Unions really should know the history behind their existence. People literally Died so that they could have the Benefits, Wages, and Work Conditions they now take for granted.

That's not to say that all Unions are Good or Needed, but neither are all UNions Evil nor Unneeded.

 

[CitizenKain]

fact is, if they can't handle a dangerous job like mining, they should do something else.
no one is forcing them to be miners.

the mexicans will be willing to do it for less without unionizing.

So what big important job is that you do? Or pretend to do at least, with the amount of posting you do on here.

Its funny seeing the people who bend over for corporations complain about lazy union workers while they read the internet all day and sit at computer. I bet you pretend you do a vital, difficult job too.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

I do not know the solution to unions. But I know they never fight for the rights of workers, ever. They fight for the benefit of their members. Any noble purpose you think they have is proven wrong by that alone.

 

[sandorski]

I do not know the solution to unions. But I know they never fight for the rights of workers, ever. They fight for the benefit of their members. Any noble purpose you think they have is proven wrong by that alone.

By fighting for their Members they have influenced others.

 

[MJinZ]

Mining doesn't have to be a dangerous job. You fuck head. It only is when we (society) allow robber barons to run business that only worries about the almighty dollar.

Fuck, I bet you'd support childlabor laws just thrown out the window too. I mean preteens would have a much easier time getting into those tight spots to really get that coal.

EDIT: I mean seriously you aren't even doing a good job at trolling here. Either make your troll post funny or get a legit argument.

You are clearly misguided on this issue. I'm the most liberal person that comes around here, I vote Dem, and I do NOT support Unions, like I've already explained.

You used ONE very poor example - Coal Miners. Really? Who gives a shit about mining companies?

TODAY, the problems with the Unions and their workers are that they many sit on their lazy ass doing something comfortable, easy, and they get paid far more than the more contributing members of society.

A Union. Or a Mafia?

How dissimilar are they really?

Let's be clear: I have no problems with paying Coal Miners a very good livable wage and making sure they are in safe working environments. But by NO FUCKING MEANS should they be entering the UPPER CLASS INCOME bracket of America. Not when there people who are unemployed, hard working educated people looking to innovate and make progress, or people who take more risks and have more ambition than just chipping away at a rock for their entire life - not when these people earn less and don't get a free retirement fund handed to them.

We should be encouraging the progress of humanity, not relegating people to being sheep and working in the mines. Mafias don't give a shit about science, art, or medicine. They can hold a gun to your head and sit on their ass smoking a cuban.

That's just the fucking truth.