How can trump being doing this well?

[TheSiege]

With practically 0% of the hispanic vote and and a 94% unfavorable rating among blacks, that would only leave a marginal amount of whites. Shouldn't clinton be dominating?

 

[Strk]

It's not that he is doing that well, but more like Clinton is doing that badly. That's why so many of us who wanted Sanders thought the electability excuse was bs.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not that he is doing that well, but more like Clinton is doing that badly. That's why so many of us who wanted Sanders thought the electability excuse was bs.

Clinton is winning by a larger margin than Obama was in 2012. She's not doing badly at all. Partisanship in America is very very strong.

I have always thought that the argument that Sanders would do better than Clinton was total crap. He was never once attacked by any political opponent. He would have been shredded by Republicans for his past stances.

 

[Cozarkian]

Clinton is winning by a larger margin than Obama was in 2012. She's not doing badly at all. Partisanship in America is very very strong.

I have always thought that the argument that Sanders would do better than Clinton was total crap. He was never once attacked by any political opponent. He would have been shredded by Republicans for his past stances.

Why wouldn't Sanders have benefited from the same "Partisanship in America is very very strong" logic? If anything, he would have received more support from Democrat politicians than Trump has received from Republican politicians and pundits.

 

[Vic]

Why wouldn't Sanders have benefited from the same "Partisanship in America is very very strong" logic? If anything, he would have received more support from Democrat politicians than Trump has received from Republican politicians and pundits.

Sanders isn't a Democrat. Likewise, Trump isn't a Republican, but getting the RNC nomination gave him roughly 40% of the popular vote all by itself.

 

[tracerbullet]

Sanders isn't a Democrat. Likewise, Trump isn't a Republican, but getting the RNC nomination gave him roughly 40% of the popular vote all by itself.

Agreed, and it's this crap that scares me. You could put a pig in a ballerina outfit, call it Republican, and get 40% of the votes. People would figure out how to justify it.

And yes I'll agree now it's largely true for Democrats as well.

It scares me how few people actually seem to use their brains any more.

 

[Kazukian]

He's doing great on the popular vote, unfortunately they don't seem to understand the electoral college.

 

[Jhhnn]

Clinton is winning by a larger margin than Obama was in 2012. She's not doing badly at all. Partisanship in America is very very strong.

I have always thought that the argument that Sanders would do better than Clinton was total crap. He was never once attacked by any political opponent. He would have been shredded by Republicans for his past stances.

Bernie is the right wing's dream opponent. That's why they trolled so hard for him during the primaries. He's the modern version of George McGovern.

 

[shortylickens]

The reason he isnt doing worse is because theres a sizeable chunk of Americans who will probably never vote for a woman, and a huge chunk who will never vote Democrat for the rest of their lives.
Almost anyone with a working brain knows the guy is evil and dangerous and doesnt plan to vote for him this November. Although some people may lie about it to their friends or to pollsters for the next couple months.

 

[sportage]

Sanders warned that Clinton was very damaged. I was not a Sanders supporter, but I think he was right. Shit just keeps coming up with Hillary. When analyzed, the shit usually amounts to little or nothing and certainly not worthy of a smoking gun, so to speak. But it is that constant drum beat against Hillary that does the damage.
And to note, Donald Trump has his baggage as well, probably more baggage than Hillary. Certainly more corrupt shady dealings baggage than Hillary, but the press and the people constantly hand Donald Trump a pass. Little if any accountability.
"OH WELL.... THAT'S JUST SILLY DONALD", they all say.
Just think about all that Trump has done and said in the past, and with the people it just goes in one ear and out the other.
The media might focus on this or that, focus on something that Donald has done or said for a day or two, then they move on.

Lets face it, Hillary is a woman and held to a much higher standard. This has been happening every since she was bold enough to take on healthcare on her own back during Bill Clinton era.
Also, Hillary is not your typical little woman content with playing the role of house wife or the roll of that typical first lady only concerned with gardening and Whitehouse cosmetics.
Hillary has done nothing differently than any other male in her position.
It's just that Hillary dare take on roles that typically only men take on. And that boldness draws a lot of hate, distrust, and criticism her way.
A man would get away with this. A woman is considered less capable right out of the gate, and so anything she might do or say or has done is naturally going to be held to much higher standard.
A woman is thought of as generally inferior in our society. That is fact!
So anything she does or might do, any mistake, is naturally going to be considered intentionally criminal. Not to be trusted, ever.
That is how it works in America. Period!

People actually believe Hillary purposely allowed Benghazi to happen so Americans would die, and purposely sent classified emails intentionally planning to engage in crime and defraud the system.
However.... no one believes or accused GW Bush for purposely starting a war to personally profit off his oil investments, or accused Dick Cheney of personally profiting from contracts granted Halliburton during that same war. A company that Cheney once ran and still profited from.
Even the saint Ronald Reagan had his dark side, his corruption, yet he not only was given a pass, he was immortalized.
Again, Hillary being a woman is thought the worse of right out of the gate, and held to a much higher standard.
Hillary is assumed intentionally engaging in criminal acts no matter what she does, what she says, or how she conducts herself.
Only a woman.... Never a man.

I expect Donald Trump will see a yuge jump in his polls after this anti-immigrant speech.
I expect the next polling to show Trump far ahead of Hillary, leaving her in the dust.
And if the debates don't turn things around for Hillary, she is doomed to lose this election.
The debate(s) are her only and last chance.
That democratic convention she did so well at is now long forgotten.
The attention span of the American people long expired.

It really saddens me that our country has become so bigoted and hypocritical.
And that our country would fall for a such a con-artist as Donald Trump.
Trump is more than just a con. He purposely misleads the people and purposely defrauds them.
Look at what he did.....
He gave his anti-immigration speech, then paraded a group of victims of violence across the stage linking those victims to all illegal immigration in general.
Painting a broad brush connecting all illegals with violence.
THAT...T. H. A. T. is exactly how a con-artist works his magic. Plays the con game.
And people fall for it.... Over and over. Throughout history.

Exactly like that home security alarm salesman who knocks on the door selling home alarm systems. And the salesman whips out news articles of local break-ins and local crime to press his point that the homeowner is not safe without buying his home alarm system.
That is how the con works, and how the con-artist mastered his trade.

If the people elect Donald Trump president, then they deserve exactly what they get.
All of it. They deserve to be taken in by this con-artist.
The people will fully deserve the hard line anti-social anti-American republican agenda to be enacted full force.
Privatizing social security, turning your retirement over to the whims and the greed of the stock market. And believe me, those guys are just itching to get their fingers on your retirement funds.
They did it before with the housing market, and now they want your government retirement plan SOCIAL SECURITY.
People will deserve their medicare to be voucher-ized by Trump's old buddy Paul Ryan, in effect destroying Medicare as we know it.

People too will deserve their national VA system privatized so that American Vets will no longer get the care they need, nor afford the high cost once our VA system is turned over to the healthcare for profit private insurance industry.
Under president Donald Trump and his Paul Ryan congress, people will deserve to see their education system privatized so only the children of the very wealthy can afford a decent education, in a decent modern setting, and the others will watch as their communities and education systems fail then fall into poverty.
If Blacks think a decent education is hard to come by now, just wait until Donald Trump and Paul Ryan take over.
A classroom without roaches and stocked with pencils will be considered a luxury.

Yes, if Americans are so ignorant and gullible to fall for the con of all cons and the con-artist of all con-artist, then screw-em.
They will damn well deserve exactly what they get.
And once that house is destroyed, burnt down to the very ground, don't expect another Obama to come along and fix it.
If republicans and Donald Trump have their way, they will ensure no future president will have the power or authority to rebuild let alone try.
And their extremist religious right winged US Supreme Court will see to that.....

 

[DrDoug]

D.J. Trump a type of P.T. Barnum; he sells gullible people bullshit and there's a lot of idiots buying it.

 

[Indus]

There's a semi sizable part of America which is into so much hate, they want to see the world burn.

 

[trenchfoot]

There's a semi sizable part of America which is into so much hate, they want to see the world burn.

It seems to me the reason for that is those folks aren't in control of the White House and among those that are able to live that long are miserably assuming they won't be able to get it back until the year 2025 or longer, if ever.

 

[zinfamous]

Clinton is winning by a larger margin than Obama was in 2012. She's not doing badly at all. Partisanship in America is very very strong.

I have always thought that the argument that Sanders would do better than Clinton was total crap. He was never once attacked by any political opponent. He would have been shredded by Republicans for his past stances.

She is, indeed, doing worse than anyone else would be doing against Trump though. As unpopular as Clinton is, the fact that she is leading Trump by as much as she is still shows how unpopular the Spray-on Turnip is.

As far as the primary assumptions about a general election between Sanders and Trump, we were still living in a world where enough people believed that Trump would manage to pivot away from his race-baiting and bizarre stream-of-consciousness ranting. It was assumed that the GOP would manage to corral the clown and keep him on target against the evil Soviet socialist that is Sanders....but it's plainly obvious that would never have happened. Any attempt to label Bernie as the next Kim Jong Il would continually be drowned out by Trump's childish tweets and outlandish, unformed, policy proposals. The guy is just too easily baited (the most dangerous trait he has, imo) by even the smallest thing to ever maintain a coherent message.

I think it's pretty clear now that Bernie would have a much greater lead over Trump, because he is far more likeable than Hilary with none of the GOP-invented baggage that has trailed Hilary her entire career.

 

[agent00f]

The reality is nobody can accurately predict how sanders would do, esp against someone as unstable as trump. He doesn't have the clinton brand, for better or worse. In the past any sort of "socialist" would've been eviscerated, but a lot of trump's base in old white guys are slowly cozying up to the idea of protectionism and hating on the capitalist elites in general.

 

[TeeJay1952]

After November I think we will see:What if
Trump vs Bernie?
Trump vs Biden?
Trump vs Morning Joe
Trump vs A Stick.......

 

[Perknose]

I think it's pretty clear now that Bernie would have a much greater lead over Trump, because he is far more likeable than Hilary with none of the GOP-invented baggage that has trailed Hilary her entire career.

That's not clear at all. Far more of the natural Republican base (as opposed to the natural Trump base, although the two do majorly overlap) would be energized by the prospect of SOCIALIST to vote Republican, no matter what. As it is, Hilary has even gotten committed support from numerous, high profile, long-standing 'Pubs.

If you think the negatives against Hilary, which are in large part a result of an intense, well-funded, multi-decade campaign against both Clintons have had an effect, please come out of your bubble and think about what would be happening if that apparatus were directed against Bernie.

Don't you know that a Sanders candidacy would have energized the Koch brothers to part with Billions in the effort to defeat him?

People who think Bernie would win are in the mirror bubble of people who think Trump will win. For both, their supporters are deeply passionate, but they are not a majority of the electorate . . . that same electorate that gave Reagan and Nixon landslide victories and voted President Cheney in twice.

Spend more time in Walmart or at McDonalds and better get to know your fellow Americans, each of whose vote counts exactly the same as yours, before you confidently state that the entire electorate wouldn't be swayed by an extensive, shallow, attack ads campaign against the Jewish radical.

Recent historical proof? Try saying President McGovern with a straight face.

Need more? How about how the big lead Dukakis (an effing moderate!) had against the first Bush disappeared in the harsh glare of the national campaign. And you think Bernie would fare better? Wise up and come out of your bubble.

In conclusion, Willie Horton!!

 

[bradly1101]

How can trump being doing this well?

TV

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I'm not sure anyone but Trump thinks of Hillary as a woman.

 

[Jhhnn]

She is, indeed, doing worse than anyone else would be doing against Trump though. As unpopular as Clinton is, the fact that she is leading Trump by as much as she is still shows how unpopular the Spray-on Turnip is.

As far as the primary assumptions about a general election between Sanders and Trump, we were still living in a world where enough people believed that Trump would manage to pivot away from his race-baiting and bizarre stream-of-consciousness ranting. It was assumed that the GOP would manage to corral the clown and keep him on target against the evil Soviet socialist that is Sanders....but it's plainly obvious that would never have happened. Any attempt to label Bernie as the next Kim Jong Il would continually be drowned out by Trump's childish tweets and outlandish, unformed, policy proposals. The guy is just too easily baited (the most dangerous trait he has, imo) by even the smallest thing to ever maintain a coherent message.

I think it's pretty clear now that Bernie would have a much greater lead over Trump, because he is far more likeable than Hilary with none of the GOP-invented baggage that has trailed Hilary her entire career.

If Bernie couldn't win a majority of Democrats it's fantasy to think he could win over a majority of the more conservative general electorate regardless of his opponent.

It's also important to realize that the right wing noise machine never even started in on him, actually concern trolled on his behalf. He has his own political baggage, an untapped treasure trove of innuendo, conspiracy theory & all the usual Repub bullshit.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not sure anyone but Trump thinks of Hillary as a woman.

So women quit being women when they're no longer regarded as sexually attractive by chauvinist pigs?

Who knew?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

So women quit being women when they're no longer regarded as sexually attractive by chauvinist pigs?

Who knew?

No, women and men stop being human when they become politicians. Everyone knows this.

 

[nageov3t]

if Bernie was the nominee, I think the African American vote would be far more fractured than it is now, especially if the Super Delegates gave Sanders the nomination despite losing the popular vote/pledged delegates in the primary... maybe he'd be doing better in terms of national polling, but that would essentially take states like North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, and Virginia out of play or far more competitive.

I'm not sure which currently-red-leaning state Sanders would be doing better than Hillary in... Iowa maybe?

 

[Sonikku]

Partisanship. Liberals and Conservatives line up in fucking lock step to vote for their teams candidate. Much is said about the 5% in the middle who are swayed because that percent is enough to decide the election. But really, most fight for their team no matter who is standard bearer. I think that if Satan was on the Dem Ticket, Hilter was on the Repub ticket and Jesus was Green Party the latter would get creamed at the polls.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Sanders warned that Clinton was very damaged. I was not a Sanders supporter, but I think he was right. Shit just keeps coming up with Hillary. When analyzed, the shit usually amounts to little or nothing and certainly not worthy of a smoking gun, so to speak. But it is that constant drum beat against Hillary that does the damage.
And to note, Donald Trump has his baggage as well, probably more baggage than Hillary. Certainly more corrupt shady dealings baggage than Hillary, but the press and the people constantly hand Donald Trump a pass. Little if any accountability.
"OH WELL.... THAT'S JUST SILLY DONALD", they all say.
Just think about all that Trump has done and said in the past, and with the people it just goes in one ear and out the other.
The media might focus on this or that, focus on something that Donald has done or said for a day or two, then they move on.

Lets face it, Hillary is a woman and held to a much higher standard. This has been happening every since she was bold enough to take on healthcare on her own back during Bill Clinton era.
Also, Hillary is not your typical little woman content with playing the role of house wife or the roll of that typical first lady only concerned with gardening and Whitehouse cosmetics.
Hillary has done nothing differently than any other male in her position.
It's just that Hillary dare take on roles that typically only men take on. And that boldness draws a lot of hate, distrust, and criticism her way.
A man would get away with this. A woman is considered less capable right out of the gate, and so anything she might do or say or has done is naturally going to be held to much higher standard.
A woman is thought of as generally inferior in our society. That is fact!
So anything she does or might do, any mistake, is naturally going to be considered intentionally criminal. Not to be trusted, ever.
That is how it works in America. Period!

People actually believe Hillary purposely allowed Benghazi to happen so Americans would die, and purposely sent classified emails intentionally planning to engage in crime and defraud the system.
However.... no one believes or accused GW Bush for purposely starting a war to personally profit off his oil investments, or accused Dick Cheney of personally profiting from contracts granted Halliburton during that same war. A company that Cheney once ran and still profited from.
Even the saint Ronald Reagan had his dark side, his corruption, yet he not only was given a pass, he was immortalized.
Again, Hillary being a woman is thought the worse of right out of the gate, and held to a much higher standard.
Hillary is assumed intentionally engaging in criminal acts no matter what she does, what she says, or how she conducts herself.
Only a woman.... Never a man.

I expect Donald Trump will see a yuge jump in his polls after this anti-immigrant speech.
I expect the next polling to show Trump far ahead of Hillary, leaving her in the dust.
And if the debates don't turn things around for Hillary, she is doomed to lose this election.
The debate(s) are her only and last chance.
That democratic convention she did so well at is now long forgotten.
The attention span of the American people long expired.

It really saddens me that our country has become so bigoted and hypocritical.
And that our country would fall for a such a con-artist as Donald Trump.
Trump is more than just a con. He purposely misleads the people and purposely defrauds them.
Look at what he did.....
He gave his anti-immigration speech, then paraded a group of victims of violence across the stage linking those victims to all illegal immigration in general.
Painting a broad brush connecting all illegals with violence.
THAT...T. H. A. T. is exactly how a con-artist works his magic. Plays the con game.
And people fall for it.... Over and over. Throughout history.

Exactly like that home security alarm salesman who knocks on the door selling home alarm systems. And the salesman whips out news articles of local break-ins and local crime to press his point that the homeowner is not safe without buying his home alarm system.
That is how the con works, and how the con-artist mastered his trade.

If the people elect Donald Trump president, then they deserve exactly what they get.
All of it. They deserve to be taken in by this con-artist.
The people will fully deserve the hard line anti-social anti-American republican agenda to be enacted full force.
Privatizing social security, turning your retirement over to the whims and the greed of the stock market. And believe me, those guys are just itching to get their fingers on your retirement funds.
They did it before with the housing market, and now they want your government retirement plan SOCIAL SECURITY.
People will deserve their medicare to be voucher-ized by Trump's old buddy Paul Ryan, in effect destroying Medicare as we know it.

People too will deserve their national VA system privatized so that American Vets will no longer get the care they need, nor afford the high cost once our VA system is turned over to the healthcare for profit private insurance industry.
Under president Donald Trump and his Paul Ryan congress, people will deserve to see their education system privatized so only the children of the very wealthy can afford a decent education, in a decent modern setting, and the others will watch as their communities and education systems fail then fall into poverty.
If Blacks think a decent education is hard to come by now, just wait until Donald Trump and Paul Ryan take over.
A classroom without roaches and stocked with pencils will be considered a luxury.

Yes, if Americans are so ignorant and gullible to fall for the con of all cons and the con-artist of all con-artist, then screw-em.
They will damn well deserve exactly what they get.
And once that house is destroyed, burnt down to the very ground, don't expect another Obama to come along and fix it.
If republicans and Donald Trump have their way, they will ensure no future president will have the power or authority to rebuild let alone try.
And their extremist religious right winged US Supreme Court will see to that.....

Or it has nothing to do with gender and she is simply a poor campaigner.

Where has she been since claiming the nomination? She doesn't assert herself and get in front of the narrative, which is why she is in constant react mode. She is quite lucky to be going up against Trump.

Clinton might be a phenomenal manager and strategist, but as a candidate and leader, she simply does not inspire.

Why does Trump and why did Reagan get a free pass? Nothing to do with gender and more to do with charisma and presence. Neither Bush had charisma nor presence.