How can trump being doing this well?

[Perknose]

\ I think that if Satan was on the Dem Ticket, Hilter was on the Repub ticket and Jesus was Green Party the latter would get creamed at the polls.

Jesus wouldn't even poll enough to get into the debates, would be accused of ecclesiastical influence peddling, and oppo research would be howling thusly, "Palestinian born out of wedlock?" and "Jesus, the Missing Years Expose!"

 

[agent00f]

People who think Bernie would win are in the mirror bubble of people who think Trump will win. For both, their supporters are deeply passionate, but they are not a majority of the electorate . . . that same electorate that gave Reagan and Nixon landslide victories and voted President Cheney in twice.

Spend more time in Walmart or at McDonalds and better get to know your fellow Americans, each of whose vote counts exactly the same as yours, before you confidently state that the entire electorate wouldn't be swayed by an extensive, shallow, attack ads campaign against the Jewish radical.

The jews are considered white now, and in any case necessary for christian dispensationalists to reach the promise land. As for radical, this is an election for radicals, and sander looks just like one of them rising up against the establishment. Even without this, trump is pretty much self-destructing anyway.

There are reasonable arguments either way for sanders, and I seriously doubt than many people here were accurately predicting the relative success of donald trump (and I suspect most of them conservatives) before the fact to demonstrate the infallibility of their crystal ball.

 

[agent00f]

Or it has nothing to do with gender and she is simply a poor campaigner.

Where has she been since claiming the nomination? She doesn't assert herself and get in front of the narrative, which is why she is in constant react mode. She is quite lucky to be going up against Trump.

Clinton might be a phenomenal manager and strategist, but as a candidate and leader, she simply does not inspire.

Why does Trump and why did Reagan get a free pass? Nothing to do with gender and more to do with charisma and presence. Neither Bush had charisma nor presence.

W actually has some down home southern charm to him, which liberals dismissed to their own peril.

if Bernie was the nominee, I think the African American vote would be far more fractured than it is now, especially if the Super Delegates gave Sanders the nomination despite losing the popular vote/pledged delegates in the primary... maybe he'd be doing better in terms of national polling, but that would essentially take states like North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida, and Virginia out of play or far more competitive.

I'm not sure which currently-red-leaning state Sanders would be doing better than Hillary in... Iowa maybe?

African mericans aren't going to vote for trump anyway, and fact that sanders is an old white guy who're apparently going in record numbers for their own can't but help.

 

[Commodus]

It's important to stress that polls only give a general sense of how voters are leaning, and they're not a definitive forecast of the final vote.

Remember, polls aren't mandatory; the people who participate in them are those who both have the time and are willing to participate. That poor person working two jobs to make ends meet probably didn't contribute to the poll, but the affluent, 9-to-5 suburbanite probably did -- and both will vote on election day, barring Republican attempts to hinder the democratic process. That and polls also sample just a handful of people in a much wider population, so even a truly proportionate pool still wouldn't perfectly reflect voting habits.

With that said, most polls show Trump losing, and that minority distrust of him could make him lose by a landslide. Clinton's main challenge is to rally the minority vote and make people understand that Trump is the greatest threat to their well-being in decades.

 

[MongGrel]

Jesus wouldn't even poll enough to get into the debates, would be accused of ecclesiastical influence peddling, and oppo research would be howling thusly, "Palestinian born out of wedlock?" and "Jesus, the Missing Years Expose!"

Breaking news "Jesus has a Private Apostle Network!"

*dateline Jerusalem The Roman Times* The man accused of flipping tables in a public market place has been accused of funding a private dinner for fundraising has been arrested. Our Inside the Scenes reporter, Judas Iscariot, is on site to bring us an update.

Too early ?

 

[MrSquished]

That's not clear at all. Far more of the natural Republican base (as opposed to the natural Trump base, although the two do majorly overlap) would be energized by the prospect of SOCIALIST to vote Republican, no matter what. As it is, Hilary has even gotten committed support from numerous, high profile, long-standing 'Pubs.

If you think the negatives against Hilary, which are in large part a result of an intense, well-funded, multi-decade campaign against both Clintons have had an effect, please come out of your bubble and think about what would be happening if that apparatus were directed against Bernie.

Don't you know that a Sanders candidacy would have energized the Koch brothers to part with Billions in the effort to defeat him?

People who think Bernie would win are in the mirror bubble of people who think Trump will win. For both, their supporters are deeply passionate, but they are not a majority of the electorate . . . that same electorate that gave Reagan and Nixon landslide victories and voted President Cheney in twice.

Spend more time in Walmart or at McDonalds and better get to know your fellow Americans, each of whose vote counts exactly the same as yours, before you confidently state that the entire electorate wouldn't be swayed by an extensive, shallow, attack ads campaign against the Jewish radical.

Recent historical proof? Try saying President McGovern with a straight face.

Need more? How about how the big lead Dukakis (an effing moderate!) had against the first Bush disappeared in the harsh glare of the national campaign. And you think Bernie would fare better? Wise up and come out of your bubble.

In conclusion, Willie Horton!!

as a Sanders supporter I think you are making a lot of sense. Sanders' Socialist label would have energized the Republican moderates AND their more right wing financiers the Koch Brothers against him and they quite possibly would have been more likely to hold their noses and still go Trump whereas nowadays a whole bunch are saying FU to Trump and even some voting for Hilary. At the same time Hilary has been the target of all Republicans for so many years now and even yet there are still a bunch of moderate Republicans refusing to hold their noses and go Trump. I mean she was like the anti-Christ to them for decades. Who would be worse to them? A socialist like Sanders or the white Muslim she-devil Hilary Clinton.

I wish we could have an alternate universe where a Trump-Sanders race could have occurred and then pick the better result.

 

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