How can evolution be responsible for a universe of complexity?

[freakyj92]

OP... just because you cant comprehend the enormous amount of time it took to get to where we are today, doesn't mean it didnt happen. I cant comprehend how Bush got elected...TWICE, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[huberm]

Originally posted by: freakyj92
OP... just because you cant comprehend the enormous amount of time it took to get to where we are today, doesn't mean it didnt happen. I cant comprehend how Bush got elected...TWICE, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

how the heck DID that happen anyways

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: huberm

Originally posted by: freakyj92
OP... just because you cant comprehend the enormous amount of time it took to get to where we are today, doesn't mean it didnt happen. I cant comprehend how Bush got elected...TWICE, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

how the heck DID that happen anyways

you two take the damned politics to P&N. I stay out of that forum so I don't have to read the ignorant shit both of you just spewed out. All I need to say is: do some learning as to how the government works, and you'll see most blame rests on others shoulders. An absolutely non-partisan argument, and the absolute truth.

That is all.
As for the arguments from the OP... there isn't much more anyone can really say. People don't like changing their ideological views at the behest of others. It takes looking inside of yourself over the course of years to truly understand why one believes what they do. Well... most religious folk don't do this obviously, or they don't look very deep. Religion likely helps block away the subconscious mind, but plays on the thirst for answers. Having everything answered through a deity is a lovely thought, but really only opens up more questions that people block. Who the hell designed the designer? That's just levels and levels of stupidity that each designer creates beings so imperfect that they pass on their imperfection in their creations. Maybe humans will be the ones that finally create perfect life? Hah yeah right... we are far from an intelligent species in the grand scope of what intelligence truly is. We can't even accept our own damn fate. I weep for the impact we may have on the Universe... if we make it to the point we branch out.

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[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: huberm

Originally posted by: freakyj92
OP... just because you cant comprehend the enormous amount of time it took to get to where we are today, doesn't mean it didnt happen. I cant comprehend how Bush got elected...TWICE, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

how the heck DID that happen anyways

you two take the damned politics to P&N. I stay out of that forum so I don't have to read the ignorant shit both of you just spewed out. All I need to say is: do some learning as to how the government works, and you'll see most blame rests on others shoulders. An absolutely non-partisan argument, and the absolute truth.

That is all.
As for the arguments from the OP... there isn't much more anyone can really say. People don't like changing their ideological views at the behest of others. It takes looking inside of yourself over the course of years to truly understand why one believes what they do. Well... most religious folk don't do this obviously, or they don't look very deep. Religion likely helps block away the subconscious mind, but plays on the thirst for answers. Having everything answered through a deity is a lovely thought, but really only opens up more questions that people block. Who the hell designed the designer? That's just levels and levels of stupidity that each designer creates beings so imperfect that they pass on their imperfection in their creations. Maybe humans will be the ones that finally create perfect life? Hah yeah right... we are far from an intelligent species in the grand scope of what intelligence truly is. We can't even accept our own damn fate. I weep for the impact we may have on the Universe... if we make it to the point we branch out.

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as far as "designing the designer" goes.. that's no different than the big bang.

ie, god simply has existed always, or somehow, a big-ass ball of matter existed at the beginning of the universe, and exploded. in either case, there is something that simply was. anyway, i will leave with this quote:

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."
-Douglas Adams

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Another interesting thought is how tightly integrated the planet and its occupants are. Think about the animal and plant relationship. Plants give off life sustaining oxygen, they provide food, nutrients and vitamins which help sustain the animal life. In turn animals breathe out carbon dioxide which the plants need, animal waste also nourishes the soil which plants use for survival. It's hard to believe that this complex relationship came into existence by chance or evolution. There are probably thousands or even millions of similar relationships of this type that exist that scientists and researchers are not even aware of, how can evolution explain these things? Did all life on Earth evolve at the same time? Did all current mammals living today evolve from the same source? What about insects, reptiles, trees, bacteria, etc..? There is a staggering amount of unique life forms on the Earth, did they all come into existence by sheer chance?

Here's the thing with this..

Think of it like technology. Our atmosphere wasn't always the way it is now. Those relationships didn't always exist. They built on each other over time.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Another interesting thought is how tightly integrated the planet and its occupants are. Think about the animal and plant relationship. Plants give off life sustaining oxygen, they provide food, nutrients and vitamins which help sustain the animal life. In turn animals breathe out carbon dioxide which the plants need, animal waste also nourishes the soil which plants use for survival. It's hard to believe that this complex relationship came into existence by chance or evolution. There are probably thousands or even millions of similar relationships of this type that exist that scientists and researchers are not even aware of, how can evolution explain these things? Did all life on Earth evolve at the same time? Did all current mammals living today evolve from the same source? What about insects, reptiles, trees, bacteria, etc..? There is a staggering amount of unique life forms on the Earth, did they all come into existence by sheer chance?

Here's the thing with this..

Think of it like technology. Our atmosphere wasn't always the way it is now. Those relationships didn't always exist. They built on each other over time.

no way.

that sounds a lot like adaptive evolution, not Intelligent Design.

Seriously though, ID is based on the static universe idea.

 

[StageLeft]

The problem with evolution (generally speaking) in part is that it is science's answer to the origin of life and yet it has no ability to actually document with any kind of precision where it happened, it hasn't observed it, cannot repeat it. It is an assumption aka wild-ass guess. discreet evolution that we can see over smaller periods is an easier sell but science has gone too far with it.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
it has no ability to actually document with any kind of precision where it happened, it hasn't observed it

The evolution of graptolites, trilobites, acritarchs, conodonts, radiolaria, coccoliths, foraminifers and ammonites is extremely well-documented and precise enough to make them outstanding biostratigraphic markers (so-called index fossils i.e. dating tools).