How are people like this getting elected?

[buckshot24]

What assertions do you want me to demonstrate are true?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The evidence I've asked for hasn't been provided.

Many papers too complex for me to figure out. Here are some that engage that. Go to the link below and it has clickable links to each of the papers. Good luck disproving that.



http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html

The evidence is here, you just choose to ignore it because it differs from your ideology. That's the beauty of the SCIENTIFIC method, it has no no pre-ordained dogma to worry about, just factual evidence

You're just stuck in the middle, on reject, who's irony is not lost on most posters in this thread.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The evidence I've asked for hasn't been provided.

Bullshit.

Suppose I said there wasn't enough evidence to support the silly notion that gravity causes things to fall down. I believe in Intelligent Falling. Sure small things fall off the table, but that doesn't explain the orbits of the planets or gravitational lensing or any of that.

Do you take gravity on "blind faith"?

This is a perfect analogue to your argument -- better even, since the theory of evolution is more complete than the theory of gravity.

So shut your stupid, uneducated, lying ass up, and fuck off.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

The evidence I've asked for hasn't been provided.

The real question is why you believe your fairy tale creation story is accurate, whilst the other near infinite creation stories are merely myths.

 

[buckshot24]

The real question is why you believe your fairy tale creation story is accurate, whilst the other near infinite creation stories are merely myths.

Did you find that pebble yet?

 

[bshole]

Did you find that pebble yet?

Yea... it is lodged in your cranium.....

 

[Bowfinger]

Did you find that pebble yet?

You've made it clear you're not only a Christian, but a devout evangelical/fundamentalist Christian. Christians are exhorted to be good witnesses for Christ, however, to behave in ways that reflect well on Christ and Christians. Your dishonest, trollish behavior is a poor witness for Christ. You not only discredit yourself, but all evangelical Christians. Your stubborn refusal to engage in this discussion honestly and intelligently make all evangelical Christians look dishonest and foolish. How do you rationalize that this is acceptable?

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Did you find that pebble yet?

Let's do a math experiment,

Your religion is 1 out of an infinite number created by mankind over the quarter million years or so we have.been around.

Thus the probability you have chosen the correct one is 1/infinite =0

Thus, a 0% chance you were born into the 'correct' religion.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You've made it clear you're not only a Christian, but a devout evangelical/fundamentalist Christian. Christians are exhorted to be good witnesses for Christ, however, to behave in ways that reflect well on Christ and Christians. Your dishonest, trollish behavior is a poor witness for Christ. You not only make discredit yourself, but all evangelical Christians. Your stubborn refusal to engage in this discussion honestly and intelligently make all evangelical Christians look dishonest and foolish. How do you rationalize that this is acceptable?

EVILuition just caint be troo! Mah Bahble says Gawd did it!

 

[buckshot24]

Let's do a math experiment,

Your religion is 1 out of an infinite number created by mankind over the quarter million years or so we have.been around.

Thus the probability you have chosen the correct one is 1/infinite =0

Thus, a 0% chance you were born into the 'correct' religion.

Is that how you determine things? Everything has equal chance of being correct? You would make a wonderful jury member for defense teams. Even if what I believe is false that doesn't have anything to do with whether your beliefs are actually true.

Now, do you have any of that "mountain" of evidence or not?

 

[buckshot24]

This message is hidden because Cerpin Taxt is on your ignore list.

This is the most true and most honest thing I've ever seen you post. Good job.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This is the most true and most honest thing I've ever seen you post. Good job.

you're nothing more than a cowardly troll.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Is that how you determine things? Everything has equal chance of being correct? You would make a wonderful jury member for defense teams. Even if what I believe is false that doesn't have anything to do with whether your beliefs are actually true.

Now, do you have any of that "mountain" of evidence or not?

Yes, if we don't know the probability, it's safe to assume they are equal in order to make an approximation. In this case, we know they are the same, so it's not even an assumption.

The only difference between a myth, a cult, and a religion are the number of gullible sheep being manipulated.

 

[buckshot24]

Yes, if we don't know the probability, it's safe to assume they are equal in order to make an approximation. In this case, we know they are the same, so it's not even an assumption.

Substantiate this assertion please.

The only difference between a myth, a cult, and a religion are the number of gullible sheep being manipulated.

Is this a part of that mountain of evidence for your belief that your brain is the result of accumulation of genetic copying errors?


edit: oh and substantiate your "infinite" denominator please.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Substantiate this assertion please.
Is this a part of that mountain of evidence for your belief that your brain is the result of accumulation of genetic copying errors?


edit: oh and substantiate your "infinite" denominator please.

We know it's the same, because all cults, religions, and myths are the same.

I don't even need to! The accumulation of every cult or religion from the past, present, and future will be a ludicrously high number, which doesn't change the rounded outcome, zero percent. The bullshit religion you were born into still has a 0% chance to be the right one.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

EVILuition just caint be troo! Mah Bahble says Gawd did it!

As Spock said, you cannot win an illogical argument with an illogical adversary using logic.

 

[buckshot24]

We know it's the same, because all cults, religions, and myths are the same.

Ok, demonstrate this.

I don't even need to! Changing the value from inf to a ludicrously high number doesn't change the outcome.

If the denominator is infinity then the probability is 0 if it is any other huge number the odds are infinitely higher. So it makes a huge difference, in fact, an infinitely large difference.

The bullshit religion you were born into still has a 0% chance to be the right one.

You are making no sense. Is it 0% or infinitely larger than 0%?

 

[buckshot24]

This is how stupid the Bernie supporter's argument is.

If A is a fact and people make up lies in contradiction to A then A becomes less and less likely to be true with every lie that is come up with. Really?

Basically this is what he is saying.

1. All religions are false.
2. You have a religion.
3. Your religion is false.

 

[Moonbeam]

Way back in this thread I posited the notion that buckshot was either mentally unequipped to understand scientific reasoning or was unwilling to appreciate it. Back then he was unwilling to give any alternative reasons for how complexity obviously arose evolutionarily. Since that time he has stated what normally applies to intransigent cases, that he has a religious faith, the usual one in America, a fundamentalist Christian belief that adheres to the notion that God created complex creatures literally over a few days.

Thus buckshot made clear that whether or not he has the mental capacity to think scientifically is irrelevant because even if he can he refuses to. And that is where the argument ends. He is motivated not to see the science of evolution for what it is and no power on earth can make him do so.

Back when he sounded as though he wanted proof and understanding of evolution, as if he were objectively interested, there was a point to arguing with him. But that point disappeared when he refused to process the evidence in a scientific manner and because he had no intention to. But it did not disappear for so many of you. Here we have a person who will not reason arguing with those who demand that he reason. What a curious thing that is. It's not good enough to recognize that he is incapable of reasoning because of his motivation, but that he must be guilty and go away as a donkey for having such motivation. I would humbly suggest that the need for him to know looks to me for all the world just like his need not to know, an unconscious motivation beyond conscious control. May I suggest that self hate produces rage when it sees itself in the other.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is how stupid the Bernie supporter's argument is.

If A is a fact and people make up lies in contradiction to A then A becomes less and less likely to be true with every lie that is come up with. Really?

Basically this is what he is saying.

1. All religions are false.
2. You have a religion.
3. Your religion is false.

His point was that:

1. There are a multitude of religions past and present and that they differ in what they state is true.

2. You have a religious belief.

3. On a statistical basis the chances that the religious belief you happen to have is like drawing the right answer out of a hat that contains one right answer and multitudes of wrong ones.

This argument is statistically sound. You are trying to make a case that your chance religious belief, actually an accidental association, is somehow exceptional and different. If there is one right card in the hat, that has a slim chance of being true.

A much better defense of religion would be that the differences between one religion and another are cosmetic, that there is one truth, one God, that is interpreted in millions of different ways, all of them in some allegorical way right and factually wrong. This would be the case if the actual experience of God is relayed by the experiencer into the common vocabulary depending on time and space in which the experiencer has had his or her upbringing and to who he or she intends to direct the message.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

This is how stupid the Bernie supporter's argument is.

If A is a fact and people make up lies in contradiction to A then A becomes less and less likely to be true with every lie that is come up with. Really?

Basically this is what he is saying.

1. All religions are false.
2. You have a religion.
3. Your religion is false.

So you are saying your bullshit religion is true, and the infinite other religions, both past and future, are wrong.

But you offer no proof, because no proof exists... Your bullshit religion is no better than Islam, Raelism, Scientology, or anything else. All delusions from manipulative douchebags taking advantage of dumb gullible twats, like yourself.

Though to be fair, your parents are to blame. They are the ones that indoctrinated you with bullshit, before you were intelligent enough to fight back.

The irony is you think I am the arrogant one, lol! You are just as much of an atheist as I am, but I got one magical skydaddy further.

 

[Moonbeam]

So you are saying your bullshit religion is true, and the infinite other religions, both past and future, are wrong.

But you offer no proof, because no proof exists... Your bullshit religion is no better than Islam, Raelism, Scientology, or anything else. All delusions from manipulative douchebags taking advantage of dumb gullible twats, like yourself.

Though to be fair, your parents are to blame. They are the ones that indoctrinated you with bullshit, before you were intelligent enough to fight back.

The irony is you think I am the arrogant one, lol! You are just as much of an atheist as I am, but I got one magical skydaddy further.

You offer no proof that he is wrong, only a statistical claim that if religions differ they can't all be right when in fact, if the differences are irrelevant, many many of them may in fact be right. You began with the notion that religious beliefs are preposterous and circled right back to that assumption. Your conclusion is as faith based as his is. Sadly, in your terms that just makes you another dumb gullible twat it would seem.

 

[MongGrel]

You offer no proof that he is wrong, only a statistical claim that if religions differ they can't all be right when in fact, if the differences are irrelevant, many many of them may in fact be right. You began with the notion that religious beliefs are preposterous and circled right back to that assumption. Your conclusion is as faith based as his is. Sadly, in your terms that just makes you another dumb gullible twat it would seem.

I forget the exact Harlan Ellison quote off hand. but was something along the lines of everyone in the world was wrong about the origin of the one true god except some small tribe isolated in the Amazon or somewhere obscure.

Judgement day would come around and Big Juju or some being along those lines would have a lot of people answering to him in a big way

*eats popcorn*

 

[Bowfinger]

We know it's the same, because all cults, religions, and myths are the same.

I don't even need to! The accumulation of every cult or religion from the past, present, and future will be a ludicrously high number, which doesn't change the rounded outcome, zero percent. The bullshit religion you were born into still has a 0% chance to be the right one.

Though I'm loathe to appear to support BS24, your argument is total nonsense. First, your initial assertion that there have been infinite religions is wildly, indisputably wrong. The actual number is quite finite, and likely not all that big.

Moreover, regardless of how many religions there have been, it is a non sequitur to claim this means they're all invalid. It just isn't a valid argument. You are effectively arguing that something being improbable makes it false (which, ironically, is the same argument BS24 uses against evolution). That is wrong. For example, there are about 300 million Powerball combinations, yet there is always one that is right for any given drawing. The same could be true for religion. I personally don't believe it is, but that's not something that can be proven mathematically.

 

[Moonbeam]

I forget the exact Harlan Ellison quote off hand. but was something along the lines of everyone in the world was wrong about the origin of the one true god except some small tribe isolated in the Amazon or somewhere obscure.

Judgement day would come around and Big Juju or some being along those lines would have a lot of people answering to him in a big way

*eats popcorn*

No idea what Ellison thinks but the God of popcorn is Mogogo.