How are motorcycles legal?

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Oger
I am not saying you are advocating the banishment of motorcyles...

Originally posted by: Oger
His reasoning here, people die on motorcycles, we should outlaw them....

So then who does "his" refer to if not me?

 

[CPA]

The motorcycle lobby is pretty large and powerful. Texas put in a helmet law a few years ago. A couple of years later the motorcycle lobby was able to get the Texas legislature to reverse the law. Now, how many times do states get rid of laws? And what makes it even more amazing is that the Texas Legislature only meets for several months every two years, so their table is stacked. The lobby was able to get this pushed through in that short period of time.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: CPA
The motorcycle lobby is pretty large and powerful. Texas put in a helmet law a few years ago. A couple of years later the motorcycle lobby was able to get the Texas legislature to reverse the law. Now, how many times do states get rid of laws? And what makes it even more amazing is that the Texas Legislature only meets for several months every two years, so their table is stacked. The lobby was able to get this pushed through in that short period of time.

First real answer in this thread! :thumbsup:

 

[puffff]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: puffff
it's just like any other dangerous activity. people get hurt every year skiing too, should we make skiing illegal?

You people have a reading comprehensive problem. I said, "I'm not advocating banning motorcycles". I was questioning why they've been skipped over in the government's quest to protect us from ourselves.

nowhere did i say that you wanted motorcycles illegal. i'm just pointing out there are other activities that are inherently dangerous that the government hasnt touched.

 

[Oger]

You are calling me a dumbass ? 😀
Notfred, I am going to relieve myself of this conversation, my statements went over everyones head 😉

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Oger
More people die in cars than motorcycles, why are cars legal ?

Not as a percentage of people that use them.

total bull crap...
worthless statistic
Cars are way more dangerous than a bike..
there are too many distractions for car drivers.. heaters ACs Stereos TVS car phones...
on a bike you are pretty much forced to pay attention to the road...
PROPERLY Licenced and trained riders are far less likely to get in a wreck than these no load morons with 10k burning a hole in their pocket and wanting to get a 1000CC bike so they can be a starboy...

Bikes are getting a bad rap becasue in the recent years they have become trendy...
therefore every moe larry and curly think they have what it takes to get on a bike and ride...
with thier CAR licence.....

its been said that 80% of the Bikers in Houston alone are Unlicensed and Uninsured...
thats just 1 city...
Most cops I talk to say that most wrecks they clean up are younger riders with no insurance and no Motorcycle Endorsement...

If the USA implemented Bike License laws like Europe and the rest of the word has.. there would be alot less bike accidents..
the way the law works there is you cannot even buy a motorcycle without a license...
and if you do have a license you are restricted by CCs based on your experience level...
only long time riders can get a license that allows access to 750cc+ motorcycles..
this ensures riders are completely trained before allowing them to the Widowmaker sportbikes and large harleys and cruisers...

Im sick and tired of being bashed and targeted by law enforcement mearly becasue I ride a sportbike...
not because of what I have done personally.. but what others do ...
Im sick of paying 500 bucks a year for insurance because of the morons that buy bikes and cant ride and crash into a bus...
or try to run from a cop...

Bikes are safe when ridden responsibly...
I have held a motorcycle License for almost 17 years now.. the only accidents I have ever had are from cars that arnt paying attention and run me off the road casue they never looked in thier mirrors... or are talking on a cell phone or are adjusting thie stereos...
I get close calls on a daily basis from cars that dont look or dont care...

If you want stricter bike licensing write your congressmen.. I have...

 

[imported_Mike]

If you're going to outlaw anything, should be those tanks...

i.e. excursions

 

[DougK62]

I've always thought it was odd, too. Back in the 70s people thought convertibles would be done away with, but no one thought twice about motorcycles. It's just weird. I haven't ever heard a good reasoning.

 

Another rhetoric thread.

 

[hop12]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: hop12

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: mcvickj
I would guess a high percentage of motorcycle accidents are the riders fault. I've seen too many people with a crotch rocket think they are all big and bad and need to go 120+MPH to prove something.

A high percentage of heroin overdoses are the user's fault, but it's still illegal.

Part of the reason heroin and other drugs are illegal are the heath dangers, but another major part is the crime that is involved with drug distribution. Not really a good comparison to motorcycles as I believe they are manufactured legally.

That's circular reasoning. There would be no crime in distributing a legal drug. Similarly, if motorcycles were banned, building and selling them would also be a crime.

Sort of, but who do you think would make cheaper drugs? Drug lords or companies like Pfizer. Addicts would still go to the cheapest source. Last I checked, motorcycles weren't addictive (cept for all you adrenalin junkies)

 

[godmare]

fvckit

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: jman19
How many people a year die from smoking? Why aren't cigs illegal?

They practically are. They're banned in restaurants, public buildings, they're restricted to those over 18 years of age, they're taxed extremely heavily, etc.

In a sense, motorcycles are restricted also, you have to be a certain age, take a test to get your license to "legally" drive one, pay insurance and so forth, like you would for a car.

I have my motorcycle license and have owned motorcycles in the past, the are easier to injure yourself on than a car without a doubt in my mind, but any and every time I did wreck or hurt myself on mine it was completely my own fault and usually from me just screwing around.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Oger
More people die in cars than motorcycles, why are cars legal ?

Not as a percentage of people that use them.

total bull crap...
worthless statistic
Cars are way more dangerous than a bike..
there are too many distractions for car drivers.. heaters ACs Stereos TVS car phones...
on a bike you are pretty much forced to pay attention to the road...
PROPERLY Licenced and trained riders are far less likely to get in a wreck than these no load morons with 10k burning a hole in their pocket and wanting to get a 1000CC bike so they can be a starboy...

Bikes are getting a bad rap becasue in the recent years they have become trendy...
therefore every moe larry and curly think they have what it takes to get on a bike and ride...
with thier CAR licence.....

its been said that 80% of the Bikers in Houston alone are Unlicensed and Uninsured...
thats just 1 city...
Most cops I talk to say that most wrecks they clean up are younger riders with no insurance and no Motorcycle Endorsement...

If the USA implemented Bike License laws like Europe and the rest of the word has.. there would be alot less bike accidents..
the way the law works there is you cannot even buy a motorcycle without a license...
and if you do have a license you are restricted by CCs based on your experience level...
only long time riders can get a license that allows access to 750cc+ motorcycles..
this ensures riders are completely trained before allowing them to the Widowmaker sportbikes and large harleys and cruisers...

Im sick and tired of being bashed and targeted by law enforcement mearly becasue I ride a sportbike...
not because of what I have done personally.. but what others do ...
Im sick of paying 500 bucks a year for insurance because of the morons that buy bikes and cant ride and crash into a bus...
or try to run from a cop...

Bikes are safe when ridden responsibly...
I have held a motorcycle License for almost 17 years now.. the only accidents I have ever had are from cars that arnt paying attention and run me off the road casue they never looked in thier mirrors... or are talking on a cell phone or are adjusting thie stereos...
I get close calls on a daily basis from cars that dont look or dont care...

If you want stricter bike licensing write your congressmen.. I have...

Your post is the one that's total bull crap. Yes, you can ride a motorcycle in a safe manner, just like you can drive a car in a safe manner. More people (as a percentage) still die on a motorcycle, like my post says. My post makes no claims about the training or ability of those people that are dying.

Per mile traveled in 1998, a motorcyclist is approximately 16 times more likely to die in a crash than an automobile occupant. And 3x (times) as likely to be injured.

from this page.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: CheapArse
If you're going to outlaw anything, should be those tanks...

i.e. excursions

Yes, let's outlaw safer vehicles. :roll:

 

[funboy6942]

Most bike accidents are caused by human error. Anyone see some stupid kid go flying past you on the hIghway like you are standing still, or my personal favorite when they are hanging off the back of thier bikes. Then they crash and complain bikes are bad.
I been riding bikes since I was 10 years old and havent been in one accident (had to give i tup at 32 because of back injury). Been many close calls only because stupid people driving their cars didnt bother to look before pulling out or making lane changes. But as long as you ride safe and always on the defesive knowing that every car out there doesnt see you and you plan ahead for it they are very safe, cheap on gas, and if you dont buy a rocket have very low insurance.

If anything they need to get rid of the crotch rockets and stop putting out movies with idiots doing stupid stuff on public streets.

Go here and click on road bikes. 56k warning.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Oger
More people die in cars than motorcycles, why are cars legal ?

Not as a percentage of people that use them.

total bull crap...
worthless statistic
Cars are way more dangerous than a bike..
there are too many distractions for car drivers.. heaters ACs Stereos TVS car phones...
on a bike you are pretty much forced to pay attention to the road...
PROPERLY Licenced and trained riders are far less likely to get in a wreck than these no load morons with 10k burning a hole in their pocket and wanting to get a 1000CC bike so they can be a starboy...

Bikes are getting a bad rap becasue in the recent years they have become trendy...
therefore every moe larry and curly think they have what it takes to get on a bike and ride...
with thier CAR licence.....

its been said that 80% of the Bikers in Houston alone are Unlicensed and Uninsured...
thats just 1 city...
Most cops I talk to say that most wrecks they clean up are younger riders with no insurance and no Motorcycle Endorsement...

If the USA implemented Bike License laws like Europe and the rest of the word has.. there would be alot less bike accidents..
the way the law works there is you cannot even buy a motorcycle without a license...
and if you do have a license you are restricted by CCs based on your experience level...
only long time riders can get a license that allows access to 750cc+ motorcycles..
this ensures riders are completely trained before allowing them to the Widowmaker sportbikes and large harleys and cruisers...

Im sick and tired of being bashed and targeted by law enforcement mearly becasue I ride a sportbike...
not because of what I have done personally.. but what others do ...
Im sick of paying 500 bucks a year for insurance because of the morons that buy bikes and cant ride and crash into a bus...
or try to run from a cop...

Bikes are safe when ridden responsibly...
I have held a motorcycle License for almost 17 years now.. the only accidents I have ever had are from cars that arnt paying attention and run me off the road casue they never looked in thier mirrors... or are talking on a cell phone or are adjusting thie stereos...
I get close calls on a daily basis from cars that dont look or dont care...

If you want stricter bike licensing write your congressmen.. I have...

Your post is the one that's total bull crap. Yes, you can ride a motorcycle in a safe manner, just like you can drive a car in a safe manner. More people (as a percentage) still die on a motorcycle, like my post says. My post makes no claims about the training or ability of those people that are dying.

Per mile traveled in 1998, a motorcyclist is approximately 16 times more likely to die in a crash than an automobile occupant. And 3x (times) as likely to be injured.

from this page.

Um duh?
we dont have 2 tons ot metal and airbags wrapped around our ass idiot..
of course rwe are more likely to die int he event of a wreck..

moron..
this is just common sence..
i hit soemthing i go flying and die...
no crap...
this has nothing to do with what you posted...
there are VERY few bike wrecks per miles travled compared to the daily clusterfvcks you cage driving idiots casue or are in...

 

[3point14]

Yeah, it the motorcycles killing people. My bike has tried to murder me on numerous occasions. I now have a restraining order against all Kawasakis. They must be stopped! 😉

 

[silverpig]

* There were 59 deaths per 100,000 registered motorcycles in 2002 compared with 16 deaths per 100,000 in cars.

* Twenty-four percent of all fatally injured motorcycle drivers in 2002 didn't have valid licenses to operate their motorcycles.

* Forty-six percent of motorcycle deaths in 2002 occurred in single-vehicle crashes, and 54 percent occurred in multiple-vehicle crashes.

* Forty-four percent of deaths in single-vehicle motorcycle crashes in 2002 involved drivers with blood alcohol concentrations at or above 0.08 percent.

http://www.iihs.org/safety_fac...ity_facts/motorcyl.htm

Doesn't sound as though motorcycles are much more dangerous provided you're licensed and not drunk.

 

Why isn't alcohol banned? Why arn't a million things banned?

Because we don't need a the govt. to look over us.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Oger
More people die in cars than motorcycles, why are cars legal ?

Not as a percentage of people that use them.

total bull crap...
worthless statistic
Cars are way more dangerous than a bike..
there are too many distractions for car drivers.. heaters ACs Stereos TVS car phones...
on a bike you are pretty much forced to pay attention to the road...
PROPERLY Licenced and trained riders are far less likely to get in a wreck than these no load morons with 10k burning a hole in their pocket and wanting to get a 1000CC bike so they can be a starboy...

Bikes are getting a bad rap becasue in the recent years they have become trendy...
therefore every moe larry and curly think they have what it takes to get on a bike and ride...
with thier CAR licence.....

its been said that 80% of the Bikers in Houston alone are Unlicensed and Uninsured...
thats just 1 city...
Most cops I talk to say that most wrecks they clean up are younger riders with no insurance and no Motorcycle Endorsement...

If the USA implemented Bike License laws like Europe and the rest of the word has.. there would be alot less bike accidents..
the way the law works there is you cannot even buy a motorcycle without a license...
and if you do have a license you are restricted by CCs based on your experience level...
only long time riders can get a license that allows access to 750cc+ motorcycles..
this ensures riders are completely trained before allowing them to the Widowmaker sportbikes and large harleys and cruisers...

Im sick and tired of being bashed and targeted by law enforcement mearly becasue I ride a sportbike...
not because of what I have done personally.. but what others do ...
Im sick of paying 500 bucks a year for insurance because of the morons that buy bikes and cant ride and crash into a bus...
or try to run from a cop...

Bikes are safe when ridden responsibly...
I have held a motorcycle License for almost 17 years now.. the only accidents I have ever had are from cars that arnt paying attention and run me off the road casue they never looked in thier mirrors... or are talking on a cell phone or are adjusting thie stereos...
I get close calls on a daily basis from cars that dont look or dont care...

If you want stricter bike licensing write your congressmen.. I have...

Your post is the one that's total bull crap. Yes, you can ride a motorcycle in a safe manner, just like you can drive a car in a safe manner. More people (as a percentage) still die on a motorcycle, like my post says. My post makes no claims about the training or ability of those people that are dying.

Per mile traveled in 1998, a motorcyclist is approximately 16 times more likely to die in a crash than an automobile occupant. And 3x (times) as likely to be injured.

from this page.

Um duh?
we dont have 2 tons ot metal and airbags wrapped around our ass idiot..
of course rwe are more likely to die int he event of a wreck..

moron..
this is just common sence..
i hit soemthing i go flying and die...
no crap...
this has nothing to do with what you posted...
there are VERY few bike wrecks per miles travled compared to the daily clusterfvcks you cage driving idiots casue or are in...

PER MILE a motorcyclist is 16x more likely to die in a crash than someone driving a car.

Sixteen times as many fatalities occur per mile on motorcycles than in cars.

If there were 1 fatal accident for evry 1000 miles driven in a car, then there would be 16 fatal accidents per 1000 miles ridden on a motorcycle.

Do you understand the statistic yet?

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: moochadime
Most bike accidents are caused by human error. Anyone see some stupid kid go flying past you on the hIghway like you are standing still, or my personal favorite when they are hanging off the back of thier bikes. Then they crash and complain bikes are bad.
I been riding bikes since I was 10 years old and havent been in one accident (had to give i tup at 32 because of back injury). Been many close calls only because stupid people driving their cars didnt bother to look before pulling out or making lane changes. But as long as you ride safe and always on the defesive knowing that every car out there doesnt see you and you plan ahead for it they are very safe, cheap on gas, and if you dont buy a rocket have very low insurance.

If anything they need to get rid of the crotch rockets and stop putting out movies with idiots doing stupid stuff on public streets.

hey just becasue you like cruisers dont make them any safer than us on Sportbikes..
I dont want to ride a chopper and drink beer with the rest of the chopper retards..
so before you go advocating the removal of any type of vehicle you better check your self..

There is nothing wrong with sportbikes..
the problem is any idiot can buy one and 99% of the time they dont require a BIKE license to purchase one...

the Problem is US Law is too leniant on bike laws.. we need CC restriction based on licesne status..
only the most senior riders should have access to 1000s..

BTW here in Houston the Cruisers are a bigger problem.. as 99% of the time they are all parked at Ice Houses and Bars getting drunk then going riding...
any given weekend you can cruise past the bars here and see hundreds of Cruisers parked and they are boozing it up indoors...
where the Sportbikers are out carving corners sober...

 

[imported_Mike]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: CheapArse
If you're going to outlaw anything, should be those tanks...

i.e. excursions

Yes, let's outlaw safer vehicles. :roll:

Safer for who? The moronic drivers driving them?.... :roll:

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Oger
More people die in cars than motorcycles, why are cars legal ?

Not as a percentage of people that use them.

total bull crap...
worthless statistic
Cars are way more dangerous than a bike..
there are too many distractions for car drivers.. heaters ACs Stereos TVS car phones...
on a bike you are pretty much forced to pay attention to the road...
PROPERLY Licenced and trained riders are far less likely to get in a wreck than these no load morons with 10k burning a hole in their pocket and wanting to get a 1000CC bike so they can be a starboy...

Bikes are getting a bad rap becasue in the recent years they have become trendy...
therefore every moe larry and curly think they have what it takes to get on a bike and ride...
with thier CAR licence.....

its been said that 80% of the Bikers in Houston alone are Unlicensed and Uninsured...
thats just 1 city...
Most cops I talk to say that most wrecks they clean up are younger riders with no insurance and no Motorcycle Endorsement...

If the USA implemented Bike License laws like Europe and the rest of the word has.. there would be alot less bike accidents..
the way the law works there is you cannot even buy a motorcycle without a license...
and if you do have a license you are restricted by CCs based on your experience level...
only long time riders can get a license that allows access to 750cc+ motorcycles..
this ensures riders are completely trained before allowing them to the Widowmaker sportbikes and large harleys and cruisers...

Im sick and tired of being bashed and targeted by law enforcement mearly becasue I ride a sportbike...
not because of what I have done personally.. but what others do ...
Im sick of paying 500 bucks a year for insurance because of the morons that buy bikes and cant ride and crash into a bus...
or try to run from a cop...

Bikes are safe when ridden responsibly...
I have held a motorcycle License for almost 17 years now.. the only accidents I have ever had are from cars that arnt paying attention and run me off the road casue they never looked in thier mirrors... or are talking on a cell phone or are adjusting thie stereos...
I get close calls on a daily basis from cars that dont look or dont care...

If you want stricter bike licensing write your congressmen.. I have...

Your post is the one that's total bull crap. Yes, you can ride a motorcycle in a safe manner, just like you can drive a car in a safe manner. More people (as a percentage) still die on a motorcycle, like my post says. My post makes no claims about the training or ability of those people that are dying.

Per mile traveled in 1998, a motorcyclist is approximately 16 times more likely to die in a crash than an automobile occupant. And 3x (times) as likely to be injured.

from this page.

Um duh?
we dont have 2 tons ot metal and airbags wrapped around our ass idiot..
of course rwe are more likely to die int he event of a wreck..

moron..
this is just common sence..
i hit soemthing i go flying and die...
no crap...
this has nothing to do with what you posted...
there are VERY few bike wrecks per miles travled compared to the daily clusterfvcks you cage driving idiots casue or are in...

PER MILE a motorcyclist is 16x more likely to die in a crash than someone driving a car.

Sixteen times as many fatalities occur per mile on motorcycles than in cars.

If there were 1 fatal accident for evry 1000 miles driven in a car, then there would be 16 fatal accidents per 1000 miles ridden on a motorcycle.

Do you understand the statistic yet?

obviously you dont get it...
all that stat says is when I wreck if I ever do I am more liekly to be killed or injured...
take a reading comprehension course fred.. casue thats what it says to me...

read the other stats post above yours also disproving this.... and I didnt write it..

 

[DougK62]

OMG some of you guys are retarded. You're totally taking the post the wrong way and getting defensive. Grab some reading comprehension skills.

 

[funboy6942]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: moochadime
Most bike accidents are caused by human error. Anyone see some stupid kid go flying past you on the hIghway like you are standing still, or my personal favorite when they are hanging off the back of thier bikes. Then they crash and complain bikes are bad.
I been riding bikes since I was 10 years old and havent been in one accident (had to give i tup at 32 because of back injury). Been many close calls only because stupid people driving their cars didnt bother to look before pulling out or making lane changes. But as long as you ride safe and always on the defesive knowing that every car out there doesnt see you and you plan ahead for it they are very safe, cheap on gas, and if you dont buy a rocket have very low insurance.

If anything they need to get rid of the crotch rockets and stop putting out movies with idiots doing stupid stuff on public streets.

hey just becasue you like cruisers dont make them any safer than us on Sportbikes..
I dont want to ride a chopper and drink beer with the rest of the chopper retards..
so before you go advocating the removal of any type of vehicle you better check your self..

There is nothing wrong with sportbikes..
the problem is any idiot can buy one and 99% of the time they dont require a BIKE license to purchase one...

the Problem is US Law is too leniant on bike laws.. we need CC restriction based on licesne status..
only the most senior riders should have access to 1000s..

BTW here in Houston the Cruisers are a bigger problem.. as 99% of the time they are all parked at Ice Houses and Bars getting drunk then going riding...
any given weekend you can cruise past the bars here and see hundreds of Cruisers parked and they are boozing it up indoors...
where the Sportbikers are out carving corners sober...

OH so now people who ride a crusier are boozers? And where are you getting yur information at. There are laws restricting the CC's needed to buy and ride a motorcycle. Sure you can go buy a mini crotch rocket and not need a permit but anything over 100cc and you need one. My point was maily focused to people who have no clue how to ride and watch thoes damn dvd's showing some guy doing a stopie, or hanging on the side of there bikes go right out there on the public roads and kill themseves because of what they watched. If anything there should be a law and a school required before anyone can get a license for a motorcycle.

Never said I hated crotch rockets btw. Just when this is hapening, kids see it, and then kill themselves trying to duplicate it without proper bike skilz.