How are motorcycles legal?

[DeeKnow]

sure..... ban mobikes and let people buy semi-automatic weapons at 'always low prices... everyday'

that's some country !!!

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: PushHands

Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
I personally know two of the riders who notfred is talking about. Let me say I had my opinion as a long time rider "squashed" because in someone's eyes I was not worthy of listening to. Guy A who had a 600 who later upgraded to a 1000 (RC51) with minimal experience told his roommate to get a 600 too. He also told a few friend with that to go bigger.

I don't visit ATOT much anymore let alone post, but I just have to call buIIshit on this one! For the record, "Guy A" that he's referring to is me. I'm going to break it down to you right now. For the longest time I've tried to be friendly, then nice, and eventually polite to you; and here you are, calling me out behind my back. I'm not pissed because now that I know you better, I realize this is not below you.

Let me say I had my opinion as a long time rider "squashed" because in someone's eyes I was not worthy of listening to.

Wish you could hear yourself speak sometimes. What I've learned from meeting you is that a person's internet persona has absolutely little correlation to who they are in real life because everything is hidden behind a keyboard. Sounds obvious, but 100% of anyone who I consider a friend I have made through actual human contact (except for notfred) so I might not be a "savy of the obvious." In my life, your word is your word.

And you see TheGoodGuy, your word doesn't amount to much after I got to know you. How do you expect anyone to respect your mechanical and motorcycle skills when it all is just smoke that you're blowing out. Come on man, you do not release pressure in order seperate the brake pads by opening the bleed valves, and that's just one example.

You were not there when I went down nor when my friend (whom I recommended a 600) went down, and you don't know the full story. (Have you ever wonder why I don't ask you to go riding any longer?) Only my friend truly knows inside of him what happened on that day, even though he's shared alot of it to me and I have my thoughts on the matter. You are completely clueless on the circumstances and reasons why I went down. And you will never know because I don't respect you enough, as a rider or a person to even use my breadth and describe it to you.

I have my personal beliefs about what consitutes a good beginner bike contingent on the person, riding circumstances and opportunities for mentorship. My opinions I reserve to myself and a select few who I care enough about. But you yap your jaw constantly with the illusion that everything you believe is correct. I realize now that you're really just a kid, and I don't sweat it.

And please don't think you're all that good either. Reflecting back on how you taught me, that she1t was dangerous! I've taken a few people under my wing in the past and their safety has always been my utmost concern; and I do those things that I believe will make them a safer rider instead of yapping away on chat forums trying to prove to others how great I am.

people who want to only show off and be all bling bling shouldnt be in this sport.. they dont know what it means to be a motorcyclist nor do they share the joys of being a motorcyclist.

Your hyprocracy is so self evident. You recall that first night when we went out to the local meet on a Thrs night? You wanted to put on those g4y as5 blue lights on your valve stems. Yes, you preach a good song, but when the sh!t hits the fan, you're no where to be found.

I try to be humble in my riding and admit there's a lot to motorcycling that I don't know yet. That and trying to be a person of my word has allowed me to move forward. There's no need for me to prove anything to you, but I'll tell you this, in 1.5 yrs of riding, I've progressed way further than you have in your, who knows how many, years that you said you have. And I still continue to grow and now have hooked up with a lot of older, more mature, riders, racers, and ex-racers.

You've reached a plateau in your riding because it directly represents where you are as a person and I hope you realize this one day. Next time we run into each other, feel free to not reconginze me.... as I'll be doing the same.

And then who is it that is lieing in a bed all fvucked up becasue he was riding above his level on a bike he never should have been on?

Goodguy gave you good advice 600s are not beginner bikes any longer....
unless you have a death wish..

stupid newbie bikers..
think they know it all..
ive got 17 years of having a bike license... 5 years holding an Expert CCS Road Racing license...
taken over 20 track day classes to hone my talents.... and am constantly doing schools as they come availible to hone my street and track skills on a bike...

I have been down before mostly on the track... but 2 times on the street both due to cars doing illegal stuff...
I ride a 929rr as my only transportation..
I dont lane split.. I dont speed more than 10mph at the most over the limit... i wait my turn in long traffic lines intead of cutting to the front as alot of cars do...

Its all about the maturity level and training of the rider..
its not the bikes themselves that are evil..
its that fact that Joe Smuckatelli can go to the corner Yamaha shop.. walk in with 10k and and no bike license and ride out on a bike capable of 0-60 in 2.5 seconds on 1 wheel....

doesnt anyone else see anything wrong with that reasoning?

 

[Kelemvor]

Originally posted by: mcvickj
I would guess a high percentage of motorcycle accidents are the riders fault. I've seen too many people with a crotch rocket think they are all big and bad and need to go 120+MPH to prove something.

DING DING DING.

Only people I iknow of that have been injured on a bike (including myself) were either doing stupid things (racing, wheelies, etc) or just weren't experienced enough and got into a situation they coudln't recover from.

Anyone have any stats on Motorcycle injuries that show if it was caused by another vehicle or not? Might be intersting to see.

 

[whoiswes]

Originally posted by: silverpig
* There were 59 deaths per 100,000 registered motorcycles in 2002 compared with 16 deaths per 100,000 in cars.

* Twenty-four percent of all fatally injured motorcycle drivers in 2002 didn't have valid licenses to operate their motorcycles.

* Forty-six percent of motorcycle deaths in 2002 occurred in single-vehicle crashes, and 54 percent occurred in multiple-vehicle crashes.

* Forty-four percent of deaths in single-vehicle motorcycle crashes in 2002 involved drivers with blood alcohol concentrations at or above 0.08 percent.

http://www.iihs.org/safety_fac...ity_facts/motorcyl.htm

Doesn't sound as though motorcycles are much more dangerous provided you're licensed and not drunk.

EXACTLY - it's squids who can't ride, don't care, and have no concept of mortality (i was once one of them, sadly) that are the reason for the awful statistics.

notfred, if you want to change the law, make it HARDER for someone to get a motorcycle license. make mandatory retesting (for cars AND bikes - it's amazing how many people can't drive!), and make stricter penalties for law violations (again, for both cars and bikes).

on the track, how well you ride is 90% rider, 10% bike. the same holds true on the streets - if the rider isn't careful, sober, and aware, he is gonna end up a greasy smear on the pavement. this is NOT the bike's fault, it's the RIDER'S...

/it's all in the rider...
//do i need to say it again?

 

[PushHands]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Its all about the maturity level and training of the rider..
its not the bikes themselves that are evil..

Bingo! We have a winner ladies and gentleman!

Yes, my first bike was a 600, a FZR600; and it was the same for the friend I recommended a 600 to. If I had to do it, I'd do the exact same thing again because its all about what you spoke of above.

 

[TechnoKid]

Originally posted by: DeeKnow
sure..... ban mobikes and let people buy semi-automatic weapons at 'always low prices... everyday'

that's some country !!!

Yeah, thats some country who lets their citizens have a right to bear arms, somethig like say a Glock 19? Its a semi-auto weapon; I'm sure you meant to say assault weapons, however. Diane Feinstein (SP) wants to ban all semi-auto weapons, that includes your very common handguns! I somewhat see the need for an AWB, however, imo, it is not going to stop a criminal from getting a gun, nothing will, just makes it a little harder for them to do so, and almost impossible for a law abiding citizen to get their hands on one. California and NY have some of the toughest gun laws in the states, imo. In anycase, this is getting off topic from the OP.

My view is this on motorcycles, I believe that if other drivers, of cars, were to be more careful, we'd have less motorcylce accidents. Too many times I drive on the freeway and see cars following too closely to the bike in front of them, too many times do I see cars not using their turn signals in traffic when motorcyles are in-bettween cars. Makes me not want to get a bike. How are motorcylces legal? Well, they always have been from what I can recolect. One of the earliest forms of motorized transportation, two wheels and a motor.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
And then who is it that is lieing in a bed all fvucked up becasue he was riding above his level on a bike he never should have been on?

Goodguy gave you good advice 600s are not beginner bikes any longer....
unless you have a death wish..

stupid newbie bikers..
think they know it all..
ive got 17 years of having a bike license... 5 years holding an Expert CCS Road Racing license...
taken over 20 track day classes to hone my talents.... and am constantly doing schools as they come availible to hone my street and track skills on a bike...

I have been down before mostly on the track... but 2 times on the street both due to cars doing illegal stuff...
I ride a 929rr as my only transportation..
I dont lane split.. I dont speed more than 10mph at the most over the limit... i wait my turn in long traffic lines intead of cutting to the front as alot of cars do...

Its all about the maturity level and training of the rider..
its not the bikes themselves that are evil..
its that fact that Joe Smuckatelli can go to the corner Yamaha shop.. walk in with 10k and and no bike license and ride out on a bike capable of 0-60 in 2.5 seconds on 1 wheel....

doesnt anyone else see anything wrong with that reasoning?

Oh i agree!

I wish you had to take test and couldnt get bikes that were above your level.

I started rideing when i was 8. i rode motorcross and lived in an area where you could ride on the streets legally.

I own a CBR 600cc. that is MORE bike then i really need. I do not ride like some peopel i know. I want to get home alive but enjoy the ride.

A buddy of mine was rideing only 2 years. he got a high powerd croth rocket (cant remember the size or brand) Then he went rideing with a group of experinced riders! he was way out of his legue and wrecked. he got a broken hip and wrist.

i was glad to hear he got a 600cc bike (actually it is built for a women. really short and not very powerfull). He larned to stay in his skill level.

 

[fbrdphreak]

I have the end-all answer to this question: natural selection.
The weaker of the species invariably dies. Our efforts to preserve them in many other ways in our society are already causing overpopulation problems. I say for anyone and everyone who wants to do something stupid and get themselves killed, let 'em! Now, when they (A) hurt someone else in the process or (B) live through their stupidity and burden the rest of society with medical bills/etc, that is when we draw the line and start prosecuting/beating/stoning/executing....😛
(Take it with a bit of a smile, I'm not trying to start flamage 😉)

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: jman19
How many people a year die from smoking? Why aren't cigs illegal?

They practically are. They're banned in restaurants, public buildings, they're restricted to those over 18 years of age, they're taxed extremely heavily, etc.

Sorry, that doesn't make them "practically" illegal. They are legal and regulated, just like the operation of vehicles like motorcycles are. You can't drink if you're under 21, you cannot drink in public, yet alcohol consumption is still considered a large part of our culture. I wouldn't say that drinking is pratically illegal.