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Thunder 57

Thunder 57

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ivwshane said:
Its been winning since at least 2013, you just refused to look at it.

Welcome to the party.
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It's amazing how this post dropped to page three in no time.

Why? Because it's not attacking trump or the republicans.

Because even this leftist forum can't say the tax cuts were bad with a straight face. All of those evil corporations giving back to their employees because of the new tax law, well that doesn't fit the liberal agenda.
 
Commodus

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Thunder 57 said:
It's amazing how this post dropped to page three in no time.

Why? Because it's not attacking trump or the republicans.

Because even this leftist forum can't say the tax cuts were bad with a straight face. All of those evil corporations giving back to their employees because of the new tax law, well that doesn't fit the liberal agenda.
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Sure we can. They're primarily targeted at the wealthy and corporations, with muted effects for the middle class. Many of the bonuses and raises are either one-time or offset by thousands of job cuts. Also, the plan is expected to rack up a massive amount of debt after the Republicans lied about wanting fiscal responsibility, and they're now trying to use that as an excuse to gut social programs.

But this is a good news thread, so here's the good news: the Democrats stand a strong chance of retaking the House (and maybe the Senate), so the Republicans will be prevented from doing more damage. And in 2020, their mistakes over the previous 4 years will be erased forever.
 
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SP33Demon

SP33Demon

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It's great news, although I'm more interested in the stock market gains I've made day trading this year. Little speedy going to be able to afford private school at the rate I'm raking it in. Thank you Trump.
 
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Commodus said:
Sure we can. They're primarily targeted at the wealthy and corporations, with muted effects for the middle class. Many of the bonuses and raises are either one-time or offset by thousands of job cuts. Also, the plan is expected to rack up a massive amount of debt after the Republicans lied about wanting fiscal responsibility, and they're now trying to use that as an excuse to gut social programs.

But this is a good news thread, so here's the good news: the Democrats stand a strong chance of retaking the House (and maybe the Senate), so the Republicans will be prevented from doing more damage. And in 2020, their mistakes over the previous 4 years will be erased forever.
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We'll see what happens in November. The longer the shutdown goes, the more Democrats will bleed political capital they had with independents - 65% do not agree with shutting down the government over DACA/immigration issues and Mitch McConnell knows this which is why he's willing to drag out the shutdown (and not invoke the 51 vote nuke option).

I already know more than a few contractors out here in the Beltway area who voted obama but are now royally pissed that they won't be paid over the shutdown. And they also know who to blame for the shutdown, hopefully the shutdown lasts for a month.
 
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Thunder 57

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Commodus said:
Sure we can. They're primarily targeted at the wealthy and corporations, with muted effects for the middle class. Many of the bonuses and raises are either one-time or offset by thousands of job cuts. Also, the plan is expected to rack up a massive amount of debt after the Republicans lied about wanting fiscal responsibility, and they're now trying to use that as an excuse to gut social programs.

But this is a good news thread, so here's the good news: the Democrats stand a strong chance of retaking the House (and maybe the Senate), so the Republicans will be prevented from doing more damage. And in 2020, their mistakes over the previous 4 years will be erased forever.
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I doubt the Dems have a chance at the senate, just look at the amount of them up for reelection. The House, maybe. But Dems are notorious for being poor mid term voters. That said, the left hasn't been this active in awhile. Will be interesting to see.

I'd also like to see where you got the job cuts part from. The debt is super annoying as it's hyper-partisan. Obama called GWB racking up dept "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic". Then he adds tons to it while Republicans call for fiscal responsibility. Now they don't give a shit, and it's the Democrats calling for fiscal responsibility. I hate partisan politics.
 
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Commodus

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Thunder 57 said:
I doubt the Dems have a chance at the senate, just look at the amount of them up for reelection. The House, maybe. But Dems are notorious for being poor mid term voters. That said, the left hasn't been this active in awhile. Will be interesting to see.

I'd also like to see where you got the job cuts part from. The debt is super annoying as it's hyper-partisan. Obama called GWB racking up dept "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic". Then he adds tons to it while Republicans call for fiscal responsibility. Now they don't give a shit, and it's the Democrats calling for fiscal responsibility. I hate partisan politics.
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Job cuts are easy: Walmart raised the starting wages for employees, but simultaneously planned to close 63 Sam's Club stores, affecting 9,450 jobs. AT&T handed out bonuses, but cut around 700 jobs... and of course, let's see if those bonuses return a year later when the tax plan is no longer top of memory. There are other examples, but those are the ones I remember.

I'll agree the Senate is an uphill battle, but like you said, this is also the first mid-term in a while where the Democrats will be clearly fired up, and it comes on the back of numerous surprise wins (Alabama was due mostly to a vile Republican candidate, but still). The greatest mistake Republican senators could make in less than completely safe areas is to assume that they can coast to victory.

On debt... yeah, I don't think Obama should have added to the debt in a significant capacity, but I look at it this way: he wasn't using it as an excuse to eviscerate social programs. There's something nefarious to being irresponsible with money solely to have an excuse to hurt others.
 
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werepossum

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woolfe9998 said:
The job numbers are good, and there is no reason to question their accuracy, any more than there was under Obama.

Don't expect it to last, however. None of these policies being enacted/pursued are likely to do anything but harm the economy. Cutting taxes on the rich and cutting services to the poor and middle class to pay for it is a recipe for poor economic growth, poor job growth, and poor wage growth.
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lol Are you sure you don't peddle gold on late night TV? That's the same pitch they always offer - sure, the economy is reacting exactly the opposite of how I told you it would act, but that just means I'm right. Wait for it . . .
 
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Thunder 57 said:
I doubt the Dems have a chance at the senate, just look at the amount of them up for reelection. The House, maybe. But Dems are notorious for being poor mid term voters. That said, the left hasn't been this active in awhile. Will be interesting to see.

I'd also like to see where you got the job cuts part from. The debt is super annoying as it's hyper-partisan. Obama called GWB racking up dept "irresponsible" and "unpatriotic". Then he adds tons to it while Republicans call for fiscal responsibility. Now they don't give a shit, and it's the Democrats calling for fiscal responsibility. I hate partisan politics.
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Literally every mainstream newscast is an attack on Trump, and Trump himself lacks the discipline to even mitigate it. It's possible that Democrat voters will once again be too feckless to vote, but the Democrat Party's billionaires are going to be donating huge amounts to hire workers and vans to pick them up and deliver them to the polls. The only wild card is whether people will actually vote in the Democrats knowing that they will impeach Trump and bring the economy crashing down. (Which will of course be pure coincidence if and when it happens.)
 
IronWing

IronWing

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werepossum said:
Literally every mainstream newscast is an attack on Trump,
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Reporting Trump's conduct is not an "attack on Trump". It's simply reporting. If Trump doesn't like being portrayed in a negative light he might try to go a day w/o being a douche nozzle.
 
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darkswordsman17

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echo4747 said:
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Since 2015, ISM boosts have caused the Atlanta Fed to overstate growth by 0.8 percentage point on average, including 1.9 percentage points in the fourth-quarter tracking on Nov. 1, according to CNBC calculations.
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The Atlanta Fed also was optimistic about the 2017 first quarter, estimating growth at one point to be 3.4 percent, where the final reading came in at 1.2 percent.
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Yeah, I think I'll wait for real numbers. Not that I'll be surprised to see high growth rates for this quarter, as that was kinda the entire point and why Republicans were so desperate to get the tax cuts pushed through, as they get to hype these short term gains up in advance of mid-terms to try and cover up the massive amount of their fuck-ups and the long term issues with their tax plan. And it will probably work because Americans have shown a willingness to keep buying Republicans' short term bullshit (until it collapses in on everyone's heads as it has had a habit of doing pretty consistently).
 
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Maxima1

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The idiot conservatives always complained about the debt and deficit. Guess what the tax cut does? It's increasing deficit spending. That's on top of the basically copied/pasted Obama budget.
 
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darkswordsman17 said:
Yeah, I think I'll wait for real numbers. Not that I'll be surprised to see high growth rates for this quarter, as that was kinda the entire point and why Republicans were so desperate to get the tax cuts pushed through, as they get to hype these short term gains up in advance of mid-terms to try and cover up the massive amount of their fuck-ups and the long term issues with their tax plan. And it will probably work because Americans have shown a willingness to keep buying Republicans' short term bullshit (until it collapses in on everyone's heads as it has had a habit of doing pretty consistently).
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Even if it is, I seriously doubt annual rate will hold at 4% or higher. Republican leadership are just aware that deficit spending can boost growth rate, while less spending can lower it. That's why they were hellbent on not allowing Obama to do any spending during the big recession. That would help his numbers if the economy got hotter, which they can't have happen. They're despicable, and it's becoming more and more apparent with how they're defending the traitor Donnie. I would go as far to say I'd bet many of them would be okay with a 9/11 attack as long as it helped them retain control..
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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I've never had a twitter or a Facebook account, for some reason I don't feel as if i've missed anything important. Maybe i should start reading Vanityfair and get in touch with my feminine side.
 
UNCjigga

UNCjigga

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imported_tajmahal said:
I've never had a twitter or a Facebook account, for some reason I don't feel as if i've missed anything important. Maybe i should start reading Vanityfair and get in touch with my feminine side.
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Not sure what that Vanity Fair is about, but you're much better off without social media. Overrated. And apparently full of Russians sowing hatred.
 
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