How a 12-Year-Old Girl Could Help End Weed Prohibition in America

[FIVR]

Marijuana is a plant.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Marijuana is a plant.

lol...thats not a valid argument 🙂

or maybe youre just stating a fact

 

[FIVR]

lol...thats not a valid argument 🙂

or maybe youre just stating a fact

Plants are not drugs. Plants are biological organisms that use photosynthesis to produce energy for themselves.


Marijuana is not a drug, it is a plant. We should not make plants, which grow on their own all over the country without any help from humans, into "illegal substances".

 

[Victorian Gray]

We dont need to "end weed prohibition", in fact we need to launch a new crackdown on potheads nationwide. We need to send in federal agents to bust all the weed shops in California to start with and arrest everyone for violating federal law. That will send a message to the rest of the stoners that getting high will no longer be tolerated.

Dope is for dopes.

So you're an addict?

 

[FIVR]

So you're an addict?

He much prefers his legal Oxycodone. No "dope" for him.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Plants are not drugs. Plants are biological organisms that use photosynthesis to produce energy for themselves.


Marijuana is not a drug, it is a plant. We should not make plants, which grow on their own all over the country without any help from humans, into "illegal substances".

a drug is a substance that changes the body on a physioligical way. MJ creates many substances that do this.

in regards to your view, i dont disagree, but not on the basis of it being a plant, but personal freedom.

 

[interchange]

Cannabidiol, not THC is what's responsible for antiepileptic effects. It is definitely a useful, though narrowly indicated, reason for medical marijuana. Other uses are potentially significantly more controversial, but more importantly lack the same quality of evidence as I'd like for prescribed treatments. Ideally, physicians prescribing medical weed would do so with a high degree of scrutiny, but what ends up happening is people who dispense Rx like candy and thus simply providing legal cannabis use. If that's what is desired, it would be far more effective to simply legalize the stuff. I don't want to, personally, but I think a serious relative decriminalization of it would be really good. Although there are valid objective reasons against it, most of my opinion is simply not liking the stuff. I am very sensitive to second hand exposure. Otherwise, the vast majority of its discussion is simply for recreation even in the guise of medical indication.

 

[FIVR]

a drug is a substance that changes the body on a physioligical way. MJ creates many substances that do this.

in regards to your view, i dont disagree, but not on the basis of it being a plant, but personal freedom.

Are coffee beans a "drug"? Is sugar cane a "drug"? Both impart physiological changes on the human body.... both are technically plants. Why is marijuana any different?

 

[ch33zw1z]

caffeine is a drug.

sugar is not, foods generally arent, sans alochol and coffee. although sugar is definitely addictive.

MJ isnt any different comparatively. society will embrace it eventually, and i prefer this to be because we choose personal freedoms.

if i had my way, no drugs would be illegal.

 

[FIVR]

caffeine is a drug.

sugar is not, foods generally arent, sans alochol and coffee. although sugar is definitely addictive.

I'm not arguing about caffeine. Caffeine is an alkaloid that can easily be synthesized in a lab.

THC is an acid that can be synthesized in a lab. It is a drug.

Marijuana is plant which cannot be synthesized in a lab. Coffee beans are a plant that cannot be synthesized in lab.

Thus, Marijuana is not a drug.

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol, youre talking about it like it just creates oxygen.

whatevs, you can split hairs by yourself.

in your example neither the coffe plant or a sugat cane impart physioligical changes, the chemicals they create do.

 

[FIVR]

lol, youre talking about it like it just creates oxygen.

whatevs, you can split hairs by yourself.

in your example neither the coffe plant or a sugat cane impart physioligical changes, the chemicals they create do.

If you don't light it on fire and breath in the fumes, then all Marijuana will do is create oxygen and consume CO2.


The coffee plant does nothing but create oxygen too, unless you crush up the seeds and heat them up and drink them.

Sugar cane also just creates oxygen until you chop it down and consume it.

 

[interchange]

A quest to define marijuana either only as a plant or only as a drug is a quest to deny the properties of it which one is not comfortable with incorporating into their viewpoint. Neither word carries any special meaning to its effects or how its use, production, and distribution should interact with the law.

 

[nickqt]

It should be illegal for any government to prohibit a human being from changing his or her consciousness in any way they choose.

 

[FIVR]

A quest to define marijuana either only as a plant or only as a drug is a quest to deny the properties of it which one is not comfortable with incorporating into their viewpoint. Neither word carries any special meaning to its effects or how its use, production, and distribution should interact with the law.

Marijana is a plant. It has components of it that, when separated from the whole plant material, are drugs. Many drugs are created from plants, caffeine being one of them.


Could you explain why coffee, a plant which also consist of a drug component which has physical affects on the body and can create a much stronger addiction and withdrawal than the components of marijuana, should be somehow treated differently by the law? What is it about the marijuana plant that makes it so different from the coffee plant?


I'll give you clue: Unlike coffee, marijuana has a certain race of people associated with its use. This race is not well regarded by the same people who make the laws in the US.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If you don't light it on fire and breath in the fumes, then all Marijuana will do is create oxygen and consume CO2.


The coffee plant does nothing but create oxygen too, unless you crush up the seeds and heat them up and drink them.

Sugar cane also just creates oxygen until you chop it down and consume it.

dont smoke bro, theres better ways

also, dont stop there. popaver somniferum only creates oxygen until you score it ad harvest the goo.

coca doesnt do anything, until harvested.

 

[Jhhnn]

Cannabidiol, not THC is what's responsible for antiepileptic effects. It is definitely a useful, though narrowly indicated, reason for medical marijuana. Other uses are potentially significantly more controversial, but more importantly lack the same quality of evidence as I'd like for prescribed treatments. Ideally, physicians prescribing medical weed would do so with a high degree of scrutiny, but what ends up happening is people who dispense Rx like candy and thus simply providing legal cannabis use. If that's what is desired, it would be far more effective to simply legalize the stuff. I don't want to, personally, but I think a serious relative decriminalization of it would be really good. Although there are valid objective reasons against it, most of my opinion is simply not liking the stuff. I am very sensitive to second hand exposure. Otherwise, the vast majority of its discussion is simply for recreation even in the guise of medical indication.

Failure to provide a legal seed to consumer supply chain basically carves out a place in the system for organized crime providers while depriving the State of voluntary tax revenue. Licensing & inspection also serve to insure a relatively wholesome product free of pesticides & so forth.

 

[KMFJD]

Cannabidiol, not THC is what's responsible for antiepileptic effects. It is definitely a useful, though narrowly indicated, reason for medical marijuana. Other uses are potentially significantly more controversial, but more importantly lack the same quality of evidence as I'd like for prescribed treatments. Ideally, physicians prescribing medical weed would do so with a high degree of scrutiny, but what ends up happening is people who dispense Rx like candy and thus simply providing legal cannabis use. If that's what is desired, it would be far more effective to simply legalize the stuff. I don't want to, personally, but I think a serious relative decriminalization of it would be really good. Although there are valid objective reasons against it, most of my opinion is simply not liking the stuff. I am very sensitive to second hand exposure. Otherwise, the vast majority of its discussion is simply for recreation even in the guise of medical indication.

I love the stuff, i've been vaping it and it's definitely helped my back and neck problems, i can't believe that stuff is still technically illegal(?) here in Canada, thankfully i have a prescription.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

We dont need to "end weed prohibition", in fact we need to launch a new crackdown on potheads nationwide. We need to send in federal agents to bust all the weed shops in California to start with and arrest everyone for violating federal law. That will send a message to the rest of the stoners that getting high will no longer be tolerated.

Dope is for dopes.

Yes, we should send people to assrape prison for using a plant that makes them feel happy and docile. We should put them in this institution that will turn them violent and then release them into society with no hope of a financial future. That will make things more dangerous for all of us. That sounds super beneficial to society. Thanks for caring so much about the welfare of myself and my children who will now get to interact with violent hopeless people and the children they will raise.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

So what? Oddly enough, teen marijuana use fell significantly after legalization in CO

It may sound counter intuitive, but this happens almost every time. Underage use of a drug usually drops when it is decriminalized. It is a huge win for everyone except the drug pushers, who can no longer sell drugs as a viable profession. Who wants to go to a dark alley to buy drugs from their shady dealer when they can go down to CVS and get their weed? Without pushers pushing to kids, they are less likely to use the drugs.

Knowing that kids use less drugs when those drugs are decriminalized, why would any decent human being oppose this outcome? It's a fucking win any way you look at it and from any political viewpoint. Unless you're a cop, judge, lawyer, or prison guard. Then you might lose your job since there isn't as much work to do anymore. Those guys always always always fight this shit.

 

[interchange]

Marijana is a plant. It has components of it that, when separated from the whole plant material, are drugs. Many drugs are created from plants, caffeine being one of them.


Could you explain why coffee, a plant which also consist of a drug component which has physical affects on the body and can create a much stronger addiction and withdrawal than the components of marijuana, should be somehow treated differently by the law? What is it about the marijuana plant that makes it so different from the coffee plant?


I'll give you clue: Unlike coffee, marijuana has a certain race of people associated with its use. This race is not well regarded by the same people who make the laws in the US.

That's a history lesson which is certainly tied to race in its intensification of censure for certain. But suggesting marijuana is equivalent to caffeine is absurd. It is a further extension of the useless distinction between plant and drug. There is no need for your precision.

Failure to provide a legal seed to consumer supply chain basically carves out a place in the system for organized crime providers while depriving the State of voluntary tax revenue. Licensing & inspection also serve to insure a relatively wholesome product free of pesticides & so forth.

Sure. These are benefits of a legal marijuana industry. It's also worth noting that, for example, medical marijuana has been studied to have 5-10 times more affinity for CB1/CB2 receptors than the typical illicit drugs previously available. Modern farming techniques when applied to cannabis are producing a product whose composition is significantly different, and thus prior data on cannabis might not be valid.

I love the stuff, i've been vaping it and it's definitely helped my back and neck problems, i can't believe that stuff is still technically illegal(?) here in Canada, thankfully i have a prescription.

I'm glad you're having some relief. The evidence generally suggests moderate benefit in chronic pain.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Pretty sure a lobotomy would have been worse for her brain.

That's a false dichotomy. It's not a complicated matter to give her what she needs without messing her up..

 

[sdifox]

I love the stuff, i've been vaping it and it's definitely helped my back and neck problems, i can't believe that stuff is still technically illegal(?) here in Canada, thankfully i have a prescription.

Medical marijuana is legal already, it is the recreational use that will be become legal next year.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm glad you're having some relief. The evidence generally suggests moderate benefit in chronic pain.

In more severe cases where opioids are used the addition of cannabinoids reduces the dosage of opioids needed, which in turn makes addiction and side effects less problematic.

Thanks for mentioning the potency of current MJ, which is designed to get something other than medical benefit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No benefit need be shown. It's on the prohibitionists to show harm, to show cause to limit personal freedom. At this point, most of the country knows they've always been full of shit. Now that legalization has been shown to be better public policy people should be calling for their heads over all the damage that's done to people's lives & the credibility of govt thru enforcement of anti-cannabis law.

What's sad is just went the way some states did with their own federal immigration studies. If you don't like the law then ignore then justify not doing it as you have to protect favored politicians. That's Trumpian.