Houston, we have ignition

[DAPUNISHER]

I wouldn't say nV has had any bad chipsets, I have a nF1 and have had a nF3 150, probably the 2 most criticised? and both are fine chipsets with mature forcewares. The driver issues there is no argument about, they have had some real stinkers. 🙂

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Thats fine Creig, but what about NOW

What ABOUT now? You're condemning ATI because the 3 month sales figure on their first entry in the enthusiast chipset arena aren't equal to those of Nvidia's 3+ years old Nforce series? Come on!

I was under the impression that the motherboards chipset had to support this function. Am I wrong?

Supposedly ATI's RS482 and RX482 chipset will do all the work. This is why there won't be any physical connector required between the two video cards like Nvidia's SLI.

They would have done better to follow an already existing market. Someone who already owns and Nforce4 SLI board would have liked to be able to drop 2 ati cards in there system I am sure. I know I would if I owned one.

As I already stated, ATI's AMR will supposedly be able to let run two ATI PCI-E cards in a parallel processing mode. Possibly cards based on other manufacturer's chips as well. But as information is just now starting to emerge, we'll have to wait and see.

This was just an dumb statement on your part. I like having choices also. I actually just bought an X800XTPE from Rollo. I like it very much. It was my choice. Your argument is different than mine. I wanted ATI to make cards that would run Dual VPU in current SLI boards so everyone who already has these boards has a choice. Doesn't appear that this will happen if they don't support this AMR fuction at the chipset level.

Once again, AMR IS supposedly a function of the RS482/RX482 chipset. Why would ATI want to support Nvidia motherboard sales by offering video cards with SLI connectors when they can run their own cards in AMR mode on their own boards? And possibly Nvidia cards as well.

By the way. I'm not an nvidiot. I am an Nvidia enthusiast. There is a difference and I hope you see that.

I think your under the impression that I want ATI to have a failure on their hands. That's pure BS. I want them to be smarter than the average bear.

Everything in your initial post was negative towards ATI's new chipset.

"So much for ATI not being a bonehead."
"As far as I know, not many people buy ATI chipset mobo's on purpose."
"I thought ATI would be smarter"
"They are not going to make any money"
"All they will get is public benchmarks without sales"
"This sux"

All the details of this new board haven't even been released yet and you're already calling it a failure. Why not adopt a "wait and see" attitude instead of totally dismissing it before boards are even in reviewer's hands?

Your post hardly makes you look like a neutral observer, hence my remark. My apologies if I was wrong in my assumption.

The "bonehead" remark was related to a previous post that I made in another thread so you couldn't have known about it. In my other post, I said that I hope that ATI would not pull a bonehead maneuver and have their "SLI" technology only work on ATI "special" boards.

Will this happen? No idea but at first glance, to me, Its seems like this is the case.
How many people do you know that owns an ATI based mobo? I don't know any.
Then, how many people do you know with a Nvidia based mobo? Probably 85% or better of all Anandtech members for starters.

If you do not like my opinions, do not criticize. Explain why you think I am wrong, calmly. Don't assume that you can know what runs through my head as I would not assume to know what runs through yours. Rarely do you find 2 people who think "exactly" alike. My comments about ATI were not generated from negativity towards ATI, but from my dissappointment. Sure, I'll see what happens just like anyone else who is interested in this junk. But until then, I can feel free to feel how I want about it. Take it or leave it brudda. 🙂

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I ahve a Compaq 900z notebook that is over 2 1/2 yrs old with the ATI 320M IGP chipset, so you do know someone with one, you just didn't know it 😀 RbV5 just picked up the MSI too, so the list is growing by the moment braddah! :laugh: You know I think highly of you, but your nV :beer: goggles need cleanin' my friend 😉

 

[Matthias99]

Will this happen? No idea but at first glance, to me, Its seems like this is the case.
How many people do you know that owns an ATI based mobo? I don't know any.
Then, how many people do you know with a Nvidia based mobo? Probably 85% or better of all Anandtech members for starters.

As several people here have pointed out, ATI *just* started selling their new gen of chipsets (and hence motherboards based on those chipsets). Hardly anyone has them because they're BRAND NEW and only a handful of models are available, not because they're bad. And let's not even get into the whole "more popular = better" fallacy; I'm sure FAR more Intel-based motherboards are sold every year than NVIDIA, ATI, VIA, and SiS put together; any enthusiast motherboard is essentially a niche product.

Everybody's been fawning over NF4 for the last month or two. But unless you're buying one of the SLI boards, it doesn't have much advantage over NF3, or the newer VIA chipsets, or ATI's new chipset.

Again, can we please wait until there are more (and/or official) details before we start flaming ATI for their presumed "bonehead" decisions?

 

[chilled]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I ahve a Compaq 900z notebook that is over 2 1/2 yrs old with the ATI 320M IGP chipset, so you do know someone with one, you just didn't know it 😀 RbV5 just picked up the MSI too, so the list is growing by the moment braddah! :laugh: You know I think highly of you, but your nV :beer: goggles need cleanin' my friend 😉

Unfortunately, the MSI has pretty much no ocing options.....

I wonder if ATI's dually runs with say X700PRO and X800XL? Running a X800 and X850 together really is an incremental improvement. I hope NV's next gen nforce sli does this sorta stuff.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I ahve a Compaq 900z notebook that is over 2 1/2 yrs old with the ATI 320M IGP chipset, so you do know someone with one, you just didn't know it 😀 RbV5 just picked up the MSI too, so the list is growing by the moment braddah! :laugh: You know I think highly of you, but your nV :beer: goggles need cleanin' my friend 😉

Dips cloth in beer and wipes goggles. 😛
Ok Ok,,, I'll do some more reading of whatever is available before posting about this again. :wine:

 

[rbV5]

Unfortunately, the MSI has pretty much no ocing options.....

True, but most mATX boards have few overclocking features IIRC, but it will work great for my HTPC which won't be overclocked. It will provide an adequate platform for my X800 XL until a good overclocker board like that sweet sapphire board, or the jetway with the ULI SB (or something else) become available.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

The "bonehead" remark was related to a previous post that I made in another thread so you couldn't have known about it. In my other post, I said that I hope that ATI would not pull a bonehead maneuver and have their "SLI" technology only work on ATI "special" boards.

Will this happen? No idea but at first glance, to me, Its seems like this is the case

Isn't ATI's solution better than the current Nvidia SLI? Especially if it turns out the chipset can turn any two cards from the same manufacturer into a parallel video processing solution?

How many people do you know that owns an ATI based mobo? I don't know any.
Then, how many people do you know with a Nvidia based mobo? Probably 85% or better of all Anandtech members for starters.

Me included. But as I've pointed out repeatedly:

"You're condemning ATI because the 3 month sales figure on their first entry in the enthusiast chipset arena aren't equal to those of Nvidia's 3+ years old Nforce series"

The first generation Nforce motherboards were in the exact same position when they were initially released. So is EVERY piece of new hardware in its infancy.

If you do not like my opinions, do not criticize. Explain why you think I am wrong, calmly.

I don't recall going off on a rant anywhere. I thought my points were well-considered and delivered in a neutral manner. (Nvidiot comment notwithstanding and apologized for)

My comments about ATI were not generated from negativity towards ATI, but from my dissappointment.

Your hope that ATI would put an SLI connector on their new video cards is the first time I've ever heard of the idea.

Sure, I'll see what happens just like anyone else who is interested in this junk. But until then, I can feel free to feel how I want about it. Take it or leave it brudda. 🙂

Hey, I'll take it. Everybody has a right to their own opinion. I was just trying to throw mine into the ring as well as a few facts to help clear up some confusion.

 

[Spike]

I'll take too if it can beat my nForce boards. If not, then back in the nVidia camp. I go to whoever can offer me the best price/performance. Lets see so far I have owned 4 ATI cards, 2 nVidia cards, 2 nVidia boards, and maybe an ATI board in the new future? Only time and reviews will tell 🙂

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Spike
I'll take too if it can beat my nForce boards. If not, then back in the nVidia camp. I go to whoever can offer me the best price/performance. Lets see so far I have owned 4 ATI cards, 2 nVidia cards, 2 nVidia boards, and maybe an ATI board in the new future? Only time and reviews will tell 🙂

best price/performance is a tricky one! the ratio even if it isn't the highest overall performance has to be comsidered, at least for myself. Even if ATI's solution isn't quite as fast, if the pricepoint undercuts nVs' enough then e-penis measuring be damned, I buy that 😉

Dips cloth in beer and wipes goggles.
Ok Ok,,, I'll do some more reading of whatever is available before posting about this again

You have a sense of humor, and are a reasonable and rational man. that is why you aren't an nvidiot :beer: Heck, if you end up being a better prognosticator than me on this one, I'll be wishing I STFU I'm certain 😀

 

[sparkyclarky]

Competition is good, but I wouldn't consider being able to plug in two non-identical cards a huge win, considering that the cards used are in actuality virtually identical, save for clock speed. What would be interesting would be if different product generations (not simply refreshes) would work together. That way, you could buy a high end card now and add in a mid-range card of the next generation (which presumably would be close to if not better than the previous gens high end part). This would eliminate the need to go digging for a card no longer in production/sold to match your card in the sli rig.

The other thing to remember is that a product demo is far from a shipping product. I'm sure ATI has a long ways to go before they get this product out to market.
And for that matter, nVidia still has a long ways to go before SLI becomes a truly rock solid product. Bleeding edge is cool, but it can't stay that way forever🙂

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: n7
Two different cards = teh w1nn4r 😀
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Thats definitely an advantage, being able to slap any 2 ATI PCI-E cards together and have them run in SLI.

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: n7
Two different cards = teh w1nn4r 😀
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Thats definitely an advantage, being able to slap any 2 ATI PCI-E cards together and have them run in SLI.

But not if the higher-clocked one auto underclocks to match the slower one. Might as well have it so that it HAS to be the same card. You wouldn't want to buy a faster card than your current primary because that money would be wasted as it would just underclock. You wouldn't want to match it with a slower card because that would slow down your primary.

If that's the way it works, I don't see it as an advantage at all. Still early for speculation though. And I think I need to use Prime95 in order to calculate the number of times Inq has been wrong.

 

[xtknight]

What would be even cooler is if they custom-coded SLI so that it would work with every single card from the Rage Pro to the R520. And if they made the R520 'genetically' modify the rage pro so it would run newer features. ok never mind

What would happen when one plugs in a dx9 class ati card and a "dx10" class card in tandem? I can only imagine the dx10 one will downfrage itself to dx9.