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[n7]

Two different cards = teh w1nn4r 😀

The problem is...we need some motherboard manufacturers to start making them, unlike how the chipset ATI made for A64 didn't take off at all.

 

[thanatos355]

wonder if they'll be forcing us to use a 'bridge' and proprietary boards too! 😛

 

[Fenuxx]

The ATI solution will require an ATI-based motherboard. Intel and NVIDIA have their lovy-dovy fest going on with NVIDIA's PCI-E SLI solution, and from what I've read, VIA may also be trying to license NVIDIA's concept. So, the only "open" solutions for ATI as far as licensing goes are: *POSSIBLY* VIA; SiS; and ALi. WHOOO, those are some serious contenders there 😛 .

 

[Keysplayr]

So much for ATI not being a bonehead. As far as I know, not many people buy ATI chipset mobo's on purpose. Those who are looking for performance mobos usually head in the nvidia nforce direction. I thought ATI would be smarter than to introduce their Dual VPU solution that will only run on their board with their chipset. I really had faith that they would introduce their Dual VPU's to existing Nforce 4 SLI boards.

They are not going to make any money. All they will get is public benchmarks without sales. This sux.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: n7
Two different cards = teh w1nn4r 😀

The problem is...we need some motherboard manufacturers to start making them, unlike how the chipset ATI made for A64 didn't take off at all.

The real truth is depicted in these words though let's not forget that.
You will be able to plug one X800 and one X850 cards together and faster card will downscale to the slower and will work simultaiously with it.

I'm really glad though that ATI has followed this path. High end market is essential in terms of marketing puproses.
And don't worry IMO m/b manufacturers will follow instantly as soon as ATI will present the solution.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Times change braddah! ATI is taking the chipset biz very seriously, a glance@nV's success was enough to light the fire I should think. this chipset should be a winner for ATI They are really making progress and I see them gaining a foothold, especially since they offer the best IGP boards bar none. IGP may not be for the hardcore gaming crowd but it is my bread&butter as a white box builder :beer:

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So much for ATI not being a bonehead. As far as I know, not many people buy ATI chipset mobo's on purpose. Those who are looking for performance mobos usually head in the nvidia nforce direction.

What ARE you talking about? The ATI Xpress 200 chipset has shown itself to be higher performing than the NF4. It's only been out for a few months unlike the Nforce series. Give it some time to gain some momentum. Geez.

Anandtech Xpress 200 review

I thought ATI would be smarter than to introduce their Dual VPU solution that will only run on their board with their chipset. I really had faith that they would introduce their Dual VPU's to existing Nforce 4 SLI boards.

Their dual VPU solution will supposedly run ANY two ATI PCI-E cards in AMR (ATI Multi Rendering). This is already more flexible than the Nvidia-only SLI which requires SLI capable cards AND that they be identical cards. Supposedly ATI's AMR will also be able to use cards from other manufacturers as well but nothing concrete has been released yet. We'll have to wait and see.

They are not going to make any money. All they will get is public benchmarks without sales.

Nice factual statement there.

This sux.

Sure it does. For Nvidiots. For everybody else who likes having choices, this is a good thing.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Well reasoned remarks Creig 🙂 The nvidiots ad hom was unnecessary though.

Also, unlike nV, ATI didn't need to work out anything for their multi card solution with Intel, since not only do they have the rights to design chipsets for the platform, but have been doing so for several years 😉 nV recognizing how much of the market is Intel, made the proper decision to bring SLI onto the platform at the earliest possible time, since no nV chipset would be available, and the licensing agreement for producing those chipsets likely hadn't even had all the details ironed out.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So much for ATI not being a bonehead. As far as I know, not many people buy ATI chipset mobo's on purpose. Those who are looking for performance mobos usually head in the nvidia nforce direction.

What ARE you talking about? The ATI Xpress 200 chipset has shown itself to be higher performing than the NF4. It's only been out for a few months unlike the Nforce series. Give it some time to gain some momentum. Geez. Thats fine Creig, but what about NOW

Anandtech Xpress 200 review

I thought ATI would be smarter than to introduce their Dual VPU solution that will only run on their board with their chipset. I really had faith that they would introduce their Dual VPU's to existing Nforce 4 SLI boards.

Their dual VPU solution will supposedly run ANY two ATI PCI-E cards in AMR (ATI Multi Rendering). This is already more flexible than the Nvidia-only SLI which requires SLI capable cards AND that they be identical cards. Supposedly ATI's AMR will also be able to use cards from other manufacturers as well but nothing concrete has been released yet. We'll have to wait and see. I was under the impression that the motherboards chipset had to support this function. Am I wrong?

They are not going to make any money. All they will get is public benchmarks without sales.

Nice factual statement there. They would have done better to follow an already existing market. Someone who already owns and Nforce4 SLI board would have liked to be able to drop 2 ati cards in there system I am sure. I know I would if I owned one.

This sux.

Sure it does. For Nvidiots. For everybody else who likes having choices, this is a good thing.

This was just an dumb statement on your part. I like having choices also. I actually just bought an X800XTPE from Rollo. I like it very much. It was my choice. Your argument is different than mine. I wanted ATI to make cards that would run Dual VPU in current SLI boards so everyone who already has these boards has a choice. Doesn't appear that this will happen if they don't support this AMR fuction at the chipset level.

By the way. I'm not an nvidiot. I am an Nvidia enthusiast. There is a difference and I hope you see that.

I think your under the impression that I want ATI to have a failure on their hands. That's pure BS. I want them to be smarter than the average bear.

 

[kki000]

hmmm yes good news, but this is gonna take ati longer than most ppl suspect.
Alot of ppl might call the current state of sli an advance beta. This sli build was much more tricky than any of the boxes ive built before and thats with using all "sli approved" devices. Ati is gonna have fun utilizing this on multiple chipsets and configurations, not to mention compatability across all the different games out there.
Being first to market with new tech generally helps alot and i think nvidia has a leg up on this.

Im rooting for ati to succeed here, but its going to take time and ati is already behind. I strongly suspect multiple card solution from ati is a lost cause in this generation of cards, i dont think they'll have enuff time before the next gen from ati and nvidia come out. Multiple vpu on the same card is another story, and they might have that working sooner.

just my speculation.

 

[rbV5]

As far as I know, not many people buy ATI chipset mobo's on purpose

I just did actually 🙂. I wish there were more boards out to choose from, but RS480 looks to be a stable performer with excellent performance.

 

[ronnn]

Looks very expensive. Dual gpu with dual cpus in the future? We have hit a performance wall that is getting expensive to scale. Also the potential for big noise is there.

 

[Killrose]

I would like to see performance figures before I pass judgement. If Ati's way of doing dual cards is more efficient than nVidia's SLI, then what do you think is really going to happen?

SLI is for the performance freaks, if they see something better, they will jump ship and buy it in a heartbeat. SLI is not for the masses. Lets face facts here. On-board video basically rules the scene anyway.

And if Ati does have a better way, why do people think that Via is tied in with nVidia's SLI so much that they would'nt just love to make something else against rival nForce chipset maker nVidia? Obviously it will have to be profitable, as I doubt they will do it out of spite🙂

 

[DAPUNISHER]

They would have done better to follow an already existing market. Someone who already owns and Nforce4 SLI board would have liked to be able to drop 2 ati cards in there system I am sure. I know I would if I owned one.

I don't think that would be the best business decision for ATI to make in the long-term. ATI based vid card sales are doing fairly well already, and I shouldn't think SLI chipset based boards have been adopted in large enough numbers@this point to significantly impact that sales volume. IMHO, it is more logical to develope and offer your own technology than to bolster the competition's so early in the game; also with it in mind that ATI has made it abundantly clear they intend to be a major player the chipset sector.

Only time will tell if your belief that they should have supported nV's solution was the correct one or not, but given that ATI has just as solid a user base as nV now, I think a competitive ATI based solution will get many of that groups' money :light:

Excellent point Killrose. Intels' share of the overall graphics market is proof positive IGP is good enough for many. I see multiple IGP solutions showing up from ATI for both platforms, where the hell is nVs' new one? Will their 1st Intel offering be the debut?

 

[nitromullet]

Times change braddah! ATI is taking the chipset biz very seriously, a glance@nV's success was enough to light the fire I should think. this chipset should be a winner for ATI They are really making progress and I see them gaining a foothold, especially since they offer the best IGP boards bar none. IGP may not be for the hardcore gaming crowd but it is my bread&butter as a white box builder :beer:

That has to be one of the coolest looking motherboards I have ever seen.

Two different cards = teh w1nn4r

You will be able to plug one X800 and one X850 cards together and faster card will downscale to the slower and will work simultaiously with it.

I'm not sure I see the benefit of having your X850XTPE scale down to match the performance of say your X800XL so they can run in tandem. Although, the thought of dual XL's is would make for an awesome AMR box that doesn't break the bank.

...I can't wait to see some AMR HL2 benchmarks. I image that will redefine "butter". 🙂

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

They would have done better to follow an already existing market. Someone who already owns and Nforce4 SLI board would have liked to be able to drop 2 ati cards in there system I am sure. I know I would if I owned one.

I don't think that would be the best business decision for ATI to make in the long-term. ATI based vid card sales are doing fairly well already, and I shouldn't think SLI chipset based boards have been adopted in large enough numbers@this point to significantly impact that sales volume. IMHO, it is more logical to develope and offer your own technology than to bolster the competition's so early in the game; also with it in mind that ATI has made it abundantly clear they intend to be a major player the chipset sector.

Only time will tell if your belief that they should have supported nV's solution was the correct one or not, but given that ATI has just as solid a user base as nV now, I think a competitive ATI based solution will get many of that groups' money :light:

I agree. SLI has only been available to the masses for what? a month now? There is no real cut and dried way of doing dual card/GPU. Why should Ati Limmit themselves to nVidia's way of doing it, if in fact they have a better way? SLI is not really an "Industry Standard" like DX9, PCI-e, ect., isnt it an off-shoot of what the standard (PCI-e) has made possible?

What would be cool is if Ati (or anyone) could find a way to use the IGP to supplement the the add-on cards processing power with-out lowering it to it's performance. Give us an extra 2-3 frames per sec 😛

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Killrose
What would be cool is if Ati (or anyone) could find a way to use the IGP to supplement the the add-on cards processing power with-out lowering it to it's performance. Give us an extra 2-3 frames per sec 😛

LOL! Surroundview is a cool feature though.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Two different cards = teh w1nn4r

You will be able to plug one X800 and one X850 cards together and faster card will downscale to the slower and will work simultaiously with it.

I'm not sure I see the benefit of having your X850XTPE scale down to match the performance of say your X800XL so they can run in tandem.

I think the benefit would come if, say, the exact card you bought today is not available in 6-12 months (or whenever you go looking for a second card for SLI). It would probably be a little silly to match an X800XL with an X850XTPE, but they might, say, phase out the X800XL for an X850XL or X900XL (or whatever).

Frankly, I think we need to wait for a few more details before we start jumping all over whatever implementation ATI has come up with. Even if it does require special chipset support, there shouldn't be anything that would prevent a new NVIDIA chipset from supporting it as well (as long as ATI would license it to them and NVIDIA *wanted* to support it). NVIDIA doesn't really have much of a performance edge over VIA *or* ATI (at least on the Athlon64 platforms).

 

[Creig]

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[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Thats fine Creig, but what about NOW

What ABOUT now? You're condemning ATI because the 3 month sales figure on their first entry in the enthusiast chipset arena aren't equal to those of Nvidia's 3+ years old Nforce series? Come on!

I was under the impression that the motherboards chipset had to support this function. Am I wrong?

Supposedly ATI's RS482 and RX482 chipset will do all the work. This is why there won't be any physical connector required between the two video cards like Nvidia's SLI.

They would have done better to follow an already existing market. Someone who already owns and Nforce4 SLI board would have liked to be able to drop 2 ati cards in there system I am sure. I know I would if I owned one.

As I already stated, ATI's AMR will supposedly be able to let run two ATI PCI-E cards in a parallel processing mode. Possibly cards based on other manufacturer's chips as well. But as information is just now starting to emerge, we'll have to wait and see.

This was just an dumb statement on your part. I like having choices also. I actually just bought an X800XTPE from Rollo. I like it very much. It was my choice. Your argument is different than mine. I wanted ATI to make cards that would run Dual VPU in current SLI boards so everyone who already has these boards has a choice. Doesn't appear that this will happen if they don't support this AMR fuction at the chipset level.

Once again, AMR IS supposedly a function of the RS482/RX482 chipset. Why would ATI want to support Nvidia motherboard sales by offering video cards with SLI connectors when they can run their own cards in AMR mode on their own boards? And possibly Nvidia cards as well.

By the way. I'm not an nvidiot. I am an Nvidia enthusiast. There is a difference and I hope you see that.

I think your under the impression that I want ATI to have a failure on their hands. That's pure BS. I want them to be smarter than the average bear.

Everything in your initial post was negative towards ATI's new chipset.

"So much for ATI not being a bonehead."
"As far as I know, not many people buy ATI chipset mobo's on purpose."
"I thought ATI would be smarter"
"They are not going to make any money"
"All they will get is public benchmarks without sales"
"This sux"

All the details of this new board haven't even been released yet and you're already calling it a failure. Why not adopt a "wait and see" attitude instead of totally dismissing it before boards are even in reviewer's hands?

Your post hardly makes you look like a neutral observer, hence my remark. My apologies if I was wrong in my assumption.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Times change braddah! ATI is taking the chipset biz very seriously, a glance@nV's success was enough to light the fire I should think. this chipset should be a winner for ATI They are really making progress and I see them gaining a foothold, especially since they offer the best IGP boards bar none. IGP may not be for the hardcore gaming crowd but it is my bread&butter as a white box builder :beer:

That Sapphire board looks sweeeeet!. I got tired of waiting, so I just ordered the MSI board for my HTPC. I'll plop my X800 XL in there for the time being, but I'd be all over that Sapphire board for my main PC if I could get one...nice🙂

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Times change braddah! ATI is taking the chipset biz very seriously, a glance@nV's success was enough to light the fire I should think. this chipset should be a winner for ATI They are really making progress and I see them gaining a foothold, especially since they offer the best IGP boards bar none. IGP may not be for the hardcore gaming crowd but it is my bread&butter as a white box builder :beer:

Man, that board looks AWESOME. I would love to get me one of those... I can't even imagine the price though. Time to save my pennies...

-spike

 

[darkswordsman17]

There's way too much unknown about this.

Personally, I have to see if ATi can even get any of this technology in people's hands. Their last 3 video card "launches" have left a lot to be desired.

Its certainly promising, but I have to see it working.

Personally, I wish ATi and nVidia would actually cooperate more, as both are behind Intel as far as market share goes. Could you imagine if they made it so you could use both an ATi and an nVidia card in a computer? Maybe thats just me, but I think that would be better than either SLI or AMR. Sure competition is good, but I think there needs to be a standard between them. This way, Intel, VIA, or whoever else makes chipsets can get multi-GPU support and not have to worry about only having support for one company's cards.

 

[Ackmed]

Why does everyone believe the Inq is 100% correct? Even if they are, ATi makes some pretty good mobo chipsets. They've gotten good reviews from what I have seen. NV had to start somewhere, and they have had some really crappy drivers for their chipsets, and overall bad chipsets to boot.