House Speaker election/circus/all ages carnival - ongoing coverage

[SMOGZINN]

What I hope happens is that McCarthy, a few non-insane Rs, and the Ds end up passing a CR or whatever to prevent the shutdown. And THEN someone like Gaetz calls for the speaker to be vacated. Unending shit show.

Once again Congress is surprised by September. Personally I think we should all try voting for people have know how calendars work.

While I hope that we get a CR as well, I don't think it is in the Democrats best interest to help the Republicans avoid their own incompetence. Personally I think the GOP will manage to put together a CR in the last hour, the question is will it have so much radical right agenda shit in it that it is DOA in the Senate?

 

[eelw]

However, if they axe Kevin, we have no idea who they could coalesce around for the Speakership. If you squint hard enough, you might even think that Democrat Hakeem Jeffries has a better chance than those riding the House GOP clown car.

As much as I keep saying Dems should find those 5 sane R’s to get things done, they won’t give a Dem the speakership in a Republican majority. But yeah who could be a sane R to be the new speaker, who knows. That nerdy looking guy that was leading the debt ceiling talks?

 

[IronWing]

Find five sane Republicans and we're saved? Gomorrah gets wiped again.

 

[manly]

With the distinguished gentlewoman from Colorado's recent escapades, how long before stories of bartering sex acts for votes happens?

That would just help Bobo's currently shaky chances of reelection.

As much as I keep saying Dems should find those 5 sane R’s to get things done, they won’t give a Dem the speakership in a Republican majority. But yeah who could be a sane R to be the new speaker, who knows. That nerdy looking guy that was leading the debt ceiling talks?

I agree it's a longshot for Jeffries, but the GOP is a hot mess. No sane R would want to be Speaker because he'd have no job security, just like McCarthy. I'm assuming some wack job like Gym Jordan would rise to the top of that cesspool.

 

[VRAMdemon]

McCarthy shit the bed again, when his attempt to advance the Defense Appropriations bill failed because five Republicans voted no. He apparently thought he had the votes after caving to numerous right wing demands, but two Rs who had previously been in support flipped (including Empty Greene).

A reason why McCarthy may not try to forge a bipartisan coalition on the budget is that - even if he survives the subsequent motion to vacate the chair - it all but guarantees that he will be a one-term speaker. He will alienate a sizable chunk of his caucus, and Democrats won’t vote next session to make him Speaker out of gratitude.

McCarthy’s whole political career has been about getting the gavel. Expect more and more desperate contortions as he tries to cling to it. A one term speakership is already in the cards if his conference shuts down the government and that helps the Dems take back the chamber next year.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Find five sane Republicans and we're saved? Gomorrah gets wiped again.

We're pretty late stage at this point, I think Gilead is more appropriate.

 

[Jaskalas]

While I hope that we get a CR as well, I don't think it is in the Democrats best interest to help the Republicans avoid their own incompetence.

Trump would love for the country to suffer while Biden holds the bag.
Any chaos in government is a benefit for opponents and a detriment to the incumbents.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Trump would love for the country to suffer while Biden holds the bag.
Any chaos in government is a benefit for opponents and a detriment to the incumbents.

Idk, Republicans were thrilled to blame everything from black people to China for the shit show that was 2016-2020.

 

[nickqt]

Trump would love for the country to suffer while Biden holds the bag.
Any chaos in government is a benefit for opponents and a detriment to the incumbents.

Government shutdowns get blamed, rightly, on Republicans who are the authors of each and every one.

The Democrats only have to tell the public that the incoming shutdown is just another way Republicans strive to hurt the country in order to fearmonger and gain power.

And then let the Republicans do so.

The Democratic Party will never get credit for preventing Republicans from hurting the country, and they need to quit enabling them in doing so.

 

[akugami]

With the distinguished gentlewoman from Colorado's recent escapades, how long before stories of bartering sex acts for votes happens?

How dare you! I'll have you know that she will not be bartering sex acts for votes, because such acts are free of charge in her book.

 

[trenchfoot]

The spoiled brats in the House Freedom Caucus are taking turns having shrieking hissy fits in order to tell the world just how important they are that they can shut down the gov't on a whim if they don't get their way and that they have a death grip on Kevin McCarthy's lugnuts to make it happen. Benny Hill's comedy episodes are far and away more sane than what's going on in McCarthy's House of Conservative Chaos.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Trump would love for the country to suffer while Biden holds the bag.
Any chaos in government is a benefit for opponents and a detriment to the incumbents.

No, that is not true. Almost always the GOP ends up taking the blame for shutdowns, and this one will be particularly easy as all they have to do is have the Senate leadership hold a press conference stating that they would love to pass a spending bill to keep the government running but such a bill must come from the House of Representatives, and the GOP lead House has so far been too incompetent to pass one, and instead insisted on 4 day weekends right before the deadline.
Paint them as both lazy and incompetent. And the icing on the cake is that it is true and anyone that wants can check and see.

 

[IronWing]

GOP infighting has caused every government shutdown since 2013. In none of the shutdowns did the Dems even have a vote. The Republicans refused to bring their own bills to a vote.

 

[Zorba]

I don't think they're bluffing. In theory, McCarthy has conservative bona fides but the Freedumb Caucus is too stupid to care. It's partly his fault for selling out control in order to finally win the gavel.

However, if they axe Kevin, we have no idea who they could coalesce around for the Speakership. If you squint hard enough, you might even think that Democrat Hakeem Jeffries has a better chance than those riding the House GOP clown car.


And at that point, they still wouldn't be satisfied.

They could appoint Trump or Tucker...

 

[Zorba]

With the distinguished gentlewoman from Colorado's recent escapades, how long before stories of bartering sex acts for votes happens?

A woman can enjoy PDA on a date without being a whore.

 

[Zorba]

McCarthy shit the bed again, when his attempt to advance the Defense Appropriations bill failed because five Republicans voted no. He apparently thought he had the votes after caving to numerous right wing demands, but two Rs who had previously been in support flipped (including Empty Greene).

A reason why McCarthy may not try to forge a bipartisan coalition on the budget is that - even if he survives the subsequent motion to vacate the chair - it all but guarantees that he will be a one-term speaker. He will alienate a sizable chunk of his caucus, and Democrats won’t vote next session to make him Speaker out of gratitude.

McCarthy’s whole political career has been about getting the gavel. Expect more and more desperate contortions as he tries to cling to it. A one term speakership is already in the cards if his conference shuts down the government and that helps the Dems take back the chamber next year.

Dems need to be blasting Republicans around the clock for not supporting the troops. Go full on Bush 2003 on them.

 

[hal2kilo]

Government shutdowns get blamed, rightly, on Republicans who are the authors of each and every one.

The Democrats only have to tell the public that the incoming shutdown is just another way Republicans strive to hurt the country in order to fearmonger and gain power.

And then let the Republicans do so.

The Democratic Party will never get credit for preventing Republicans from hurting the country, and they need to quit enabling them in doing so.

They are literally willing to let the government go down just to satisfy Trumps demands for something that's not in their power to do because of the way the DOJ is funded. Morons from beginning to end.

 

[Pens1566]

A woman can enjoy PDA on a date without being a whore.

Uh, there's PDA and there's an extended breast exam while giving an over the pants handy.

 

[Zorba]

Uh, there's PDA and there's an extended breast exam while giving an over the pants handy.

Apparently you had boring high school years .

 

[Pens1566]

Apparently you had boring high school years .

No, just not in a room with 2-3000 random people.

 

[Zorba]

No, just not in a room with 2-3000 random people.

Like I said .

 

[Ajay]

The spoiled brats in the House Freedom Caucus are taking turns having shrieking hissy fits in order to tell the world just how important they are that they can shut down the gov't on a whim if they don't get their way and that they have a death grip on Kevin McCarthy's lugnuts to make it happen. Benny Hill's comedy episodes are far and away more sane than what's going on in McCarthy's House of Conservative Chaos.

So much this! And this is what a weak SOTH looks like - like a puppet on a string. He's so beholding to everyone he cannot set a steady course and his vacillation is mind numbing. The scary bit, to me, is that he is second in the line of succession if the President dies or is incapacitated in office. I want a man, or woman, with a reasonable level resolve and backbone. Politics is so often a frustrating experience of watching how the sausage is being made in the dank basement of a condemned building. Historically, there have been other times when congress has looked like petty school children rather than mature adults and the populace have been deeply divided. I just don't like having to live through one of those times.

I do not harbor any ill will towards McCarthy in particular, he just another congressman and he is what he is - it's just that he's just the wrong person for the job.

 

[eelw]

Second in line means nothing unless it’s an assassination of the entire US government at a State Of The Union. VP takes over and they pick their VP. No spineless one in the equation.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I'm assuming there ARE Republicans who would vote for a “clean” continuing resolution. But, as I understand .... it’s the Speaker (or more precisely Republicans on the Rules Committee) who decide whether a bill will make it to the floor and in what form.

Two House Republicans say they might work with Democrats to fund government

Freshmen Marc Molinaro and Mike Lawler of New York opened the door to end-running Speaker Kevin McCarthy and partnering with Democrats if the GOP stalemate persists.

www.nbcnews.com

Hopefully not, but the most likely endgame is they do end up passing a Senate-passed clean CR after the shutdown has gone on for weeks and the pain gets to be enough where McCarthy finally throws it open to vote.

 

[K1052]

I'm assuming there ARE Republicans who would vote for a “clean” continuing resolution. But, as I understand .... it’s the Speaker (or more precisely Republicans on the Rules Committee) who decide whether a bill will make it to the floor and in what form.

Two House Republicans say they might work with Democrats to fund government

Freshmen Marc Molinaro and Mike Lawler of New York opened the door to end-running Speaker Kevin McCarthy and partnering with Democrats if the GOP stalemate persists.

www.nbcnews.com

Hopefully not, but the most likely endgame is they do end up passing a Senate-passed clean CR after the shutdown has gone on for weeks and the pain gets to be enough where McCarthy finally throws it open to vote.

The discharge petition comes to the floor for a vote no matter what. The speaker cannot stop it. The only way to stop it I think is to kill is in Rules but that also needs a majority vote on the floor and given the margins if sufficient Rs sign on then that's not likely.

At the end of the day the House majority is a disaster and the body is going to have to swallow whatever the Senate does most likely.