Originally posted by: Moonbeam
M: You said the bill was the way our government works and that it is disgusting.
b: Do you disagree?
M: Yes, to say it's disgusting is to reject the Constitution as I make clear
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M: What is disgusting, then, is that we are a representative democracy because that's the way our government works. You vote for them and they vote as they please. Perfectly Constitutional as is everything they do, since none of it is successfully Constitutionally challenged.
b; No, not at all really.
M: No not really, that's it? No explanation, no rebuttal, no defense, just your, pardon me for saying so, crass opinion?
b: And first, yes, the biggest problem here really is the people who elect these schmucks into office.
M: Which you are going to solve how?
b: But our Constitution was written specifically to restrain the power of government. Perhaps you can point me in the direction of the Constitution that empowers Congress authority over the manufacture of wooden arrows.
M: Where is your Constitutional challenge? Shit or get off the pot.
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M: Now you don't like the government and you don't like that it's Constitutional you retreat into the madness that you and not the actual Constitutional government we have knows what's Constitutional. So why are you ranting here instead of taking your case to court? Isn't it because your opinion appeals to just a few other kooks and odd-balls?
b: You forgot clowns.
Sigh.
M: You forgot to answer. You perhaps think that if you can make me feel stupid or ashamed I'll go away. All I see is evasion in everything you say.
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M:We don't have a direct democracy because all you nut cases that demand no action, or this action or that action, any action but the one Congress can agree on, be put into law which would inevitably lead to disaster, if in fact, something needs doing to prevent it.
b: Lead to disaster? Pick up a fucking newspaper, Moonbeam.
M: bamacre answer from Moonbeam> I did, it was light as hell and no back injury or other disaster at all.
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M: We had the most politically insulated branch of congress, the Senate, with it's 6 year term and relatively larger number represented, step in and bring calm and action to a frozen House and a frozen credit market. Can't imagine a better case of our government working. Those 100 guy and gals know a whole lot more than you and me and are the best of the best in the nation. But they're all disgusting to you.
b: I am sure Dick Cheney knows a lot about foreign policy. I'm sure Hitler knew a lot of political philosophy. I'm sure the Ted Kaczynski knew a lot about chemistry.
But they're all disgusting to you. Right?
M: No, deranged, not disgusting...
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M: If our Constitutional government fails it will be because the problems we face require temperance, judgment, and knowledge beyond some systemically induced capacity of the voter is unable to rise to. I see here little but a stampede of dumb cattle, a march of lemmings, and the hooting of monkeys in their trees.
b: And you think those people in Congress have a thorough understanding of what happened? How to solve the problem? How to prevent it from happening again? Remember, Congress is full of lawyers, not economists.
M: I don't think the economists know what to do. None of them have one hand. I do think something needed to be done and they did something. I think they did what they thought was in the country's best interest on the whole. The problem is too large and complex, I fear, for anybody to fully grasp in all details.
In short, unlike you, I didn't jump off the deep end and go stock raving mad because my bigotry got offended. I know a lot less than you do and there wasn't much there to offend. I stayed calm and tried to understand the issue as best I could. I don't have ideological or dream colored glasses. I took no position, assumed nothing, and listened and I came to the conclusion that a plan was needed and accepted the only one we got as the best that we will get this day. Everything happens exactly as God wills because what is IS His Will. You to your raging and madness and me to the peace of surrender.
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