House Passes 1/6 Commission

[HomerJS]

Jordan confirmed the one who sent the blueprint for overturning the election to Meadows. Remember, Republicans wanted him on the investigating committee.

Should Jordan be charged with treason?

 

[HomerJS]

It’s a pity that Gym Jordan isn’t on the select committee. Would have been great to repeat last nights hearing as Cheney read out the texts to Meadows. And oh, this one was yours and she looks directly at the traitor.

Problem was he would have had access to the information in advance and have time to craft his lies. Now he is hung out to dry. GOP wanted him there strictly for sabotage.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Guys, he's not going to show up.

You are right, but that leaves the question of what to do about all this. It really appears that we can't even hold a former President accountable for trying to literally overthrow the government. If that is the case what is to stop them from trying every time until they finally get it right?

 

[vi edit]

Question because I'm ignorant... does a "coup" have to be specifically a military takeover? This was more just a massive powergrab at a political level, not a military one. Do we draw a distinction between the two?

 

[fskimospy]

Question because I'm ignorant... does a "coup" have to be specifically a military takeover? This was more just a massive powergrab at a political level, not a military one. Do we draw a distinction between the two?

There is no distinction, no.

Technically this was an autocoup attempt as the sitting executive was attempting to stay in power through illegal means but there’s no point in parsing terms here. Everyone understands what a coup is, the illegal seizure of power, and that’s what this was.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Question because I'm ignorant... does a "coup" have to be specifically a military takeover? This was more just a massive powergrab at a political level, not a military one. Do we draw a distinction between the two?

No, a 'coup' can be political, economic, or military. All it really means is that one group gained power in a method that was not legal at the time they gained the power and managed to hold it for at least 7 days.

 

[vi edit]

And treason is specifically "levying war against the United States" so it's not *technically* treason right?

 

[fskimospy]

And treason is specifically "levying war against the United States" so it's not *technically* treason right?

Or giving aid and comfort to the enemy but that’s correct, it’s not treason in the legal sense, but it’s treason in the colloquial sense I think. He tried to end the American republic.

 

[vi edit]

That all said, I think it's high time we have some conspirators against the United States put to the death penalty they so cling to. Law and Order party. Time to put your money where your mouth is. Honest to whatever diety you believe in, I think that's about the only thing we can do at this point to slam home the message "THIS ISN'T A GAME".

 

[SMOGZINN]

And treason is specifically "levying war against the United States" so it's not *technically* treason right?

I don't know about that. They literally laid siege to the capitol building and managed to breech it.
In the US we have loosened the definition of 'war' so much that sieging the Capitol might work for that term.
I'm sure someone there said something that could be considered a declaration of war.

Edit: To be clear, I'm joking in the above comment. Treason does not really fit here. Insurrection certainly does though.

 

[vi edit]

If we can bomb a bunch of innocents in a foreign country and write it off as collateral damage in the name of freedom, we sure as shit better be able to bring the full hammer of justice on people trying to take a shit on the constitution they swore to uphold.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I don't know about that. They literally laid siege to the capitol building and managed to breech it.
In the US we have loosened the definition of 'war' so much that sieging the Capitol might work for that term.
I'm sure someone there said something that could be considered a declaration of war.

Edit: To be clear, I'm joking in the above comment. Treason does not really fit here. Insurrection certainly does though.

If the constitution can effectively consider the entire US population a militia, it might be possible for it to commit war on itself.

EDIT: Also, yes, hang them. We need ourselves a good old fashioned message wrt coups.

 

[TheVrolok]

they're just stalling and delaying until 2022 elections

This. If/when the GOP takes the house, they will try to stop/bury this as much as possible.

 

[hal2kilo]

It’s a pity that Gym Jordan isn’t on the select committee. Would have been great to repeat last nights hearing as Cheney read out the texts to Meadows. And oh, this one was yours and she looks directly at the traitor.

He would have to have recused himself, due to him being a subject (it seems) of the investigation. That would have been wonderful to see though.

 

[kage69]

So when does the republican fact finding mission to Belarus start?


Gym Jordan and Marjorie Traitor Greene both look like they got kicked in the balls. I love it.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^ I see what you did there ....

 

[eelw]

He would have to have recused himself, due to him being a subject (it seems) of the investigation. That would have been wonderful to see though.

Nah he’d come up with a lame excuse. Like his January 5th email is taken out of context because the full thing wasn’t shown. And since he didn’t write it, he only forwarded, it apparently it’s fine.

 

[nakedfrog]

When the public hearings starts all those Fox hosts need to be subpoenaed and asked about their texts. Also ask them about their concern at that time vs public stance of

"nothing to see here" and "it was Antifa"

"I don't recall"
"I don't recall"
"I don't recall"
"I don't recall"

 

[Fanatical Meat]

He would have to have recused himself, due to him being a subject (it seems) of the investigation. That would have been wonderful to see though.

No chance he would recuse himself. Zero chance of that happening.
The game has changed and we all need to make up new rules to play by.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If the constitution can effectively consider the entire US population a militia, it might be possible for it to commit war on itself.

EDIT: Also, yes, hang them. We need ourselves a good old fashioned message wrt coups.

While I agree, they won’t be asked to appear. There will be close to no follow up.

 

[PlanetJosh]

This. If/when the GOP takes the house, they will try to stop/bury this as much as possible.

The AG being friendly to Biden could still try to move forward with prosecution of Bannon and Meadows and others in 2022 & 2023 . But a Republican house, even if the Dems keep the senate, could find creative and very disruptive ways to end it. Like as a last resort getting federal marshals or part of the military to intervene and prevent court proceedings against the two Repubs above. That sounds extreme but who knows what they are capable of. And it would make an interesting show, a mini civil war or a full blown one.

 

[hal2kilo]

Nah he’d come up with a lame excuse. Like his January 5th email is taken out of context because the full thing wasn’t shown. And since he didn’t write it, he only forwarded, it apparently it’s fine.

It's still entertaining to watch him when he is caught in a lie. Can't believe he's been able to slide through the OS investigations with how bad he is at lying. He really needed a class at Trump University.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Donald Trump Quote About Fifth Amendment Resurfaces as Allies Use It With Jan. 6 Panel

"The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" Trump said on the 2016 campaign trail.





Oh, Donny. Oh, Donny. Oh Donny, Oh!


Maybe it's because YOU'RE THE FREAKING MOB!!!!

 

[eelw]

Nah as Roger Stone said why he plead the fifth

"not because I have done anything wrong, but because I am fully aware of the House Democrats' long history of fabricating perjury charges."

 

[Fenixgoon]

Nah as Roger Stone said why he plead the fifth

"not because I have done anything wrong, but because I am fully aware of the House Democrats' long history of fabricating perjury charges."

yeah, must be it. lol.