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House almost burnt down Sunday. W/Pics & possibly vid

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I love the smell of ozone and smoke in the morning.


Wonder if that box was made by federal pacific. They were notorious for stuff like that, even after switching to breakers the company could never make a good product.

For breaking the connection, I always liked the rifle method. A shot or two at one of the feed lines works well.
 
I can't get the video off the mini dvd for some reason. I guess I didn't initialize the disc before recording on it, now it wont let me initialize or finalize the disc so it's stuck there for now
Try opening the disc with ISOBuster. I had a MiniDV->DVD transfer screw up like that; I didn't finalize the disc. Windows couldn't see it, but ISOBuster had no problem ripping the data off the disc.


Crazy stuff there.
Yeah, no better time than now to upgrade to a breaker box.
 
I love the smell of ozone and smoke in the morning.


Wonder if that box was made by federal pacific. They were notorious for stuff like that, even after switching to breakers the company could never make a good product.

For breaking the connection, I always liked the rifle method. A shot or two at one of the feed lines works well.

FPE Stab-lok = notrip! 😱

Not sure people would want you running around with a .300 ultra mag shooting above the peckerhead! :awe:
 
Awesome ghost picture. By far the most realistic one I've ever seen! Sucks about the almost having your place burn down and no water or heat .... hopefully you won't have to put up with too much more stuff like that for a LONG time...
 
So was it knob and tube wiring before? Google for pics.

Sure was!

Woah that's crazy. I would have went outside and pulled the meter. I rather get a $500 fine then a house fire, and maybe the hydro company would let it slide considering it was a safety issue.

The wiring going to the panel looks new enough, but the panel looks quite old, and overall it looks like a very sloppy job.

Wonder what would of happened if you threw a bucket of water on it at the time. 😀

The meters were actually inside, that was one of the code violations lol.


I love the smell of ozone and smoke in the morning.


Wonder if that box was made by federal pacific. They were notorious for stuff like that, even after switching to breakers the company could never make a good product.

For breaking the connection, I always liked the rifle method. A shot or two at one of the feed lines works well.

They WERE by federal pacific I believe, they're laying around in the cellar now, I'll check after...and the whole house still has a faint ozone smell.
 
There's nothing wrong with knob and tube wiring. In fact, some aspects of it are safer (other than it doesn't have a ground wire.) The insulated wire is not in contact with the wood - it's run through insulators, even where it passes through the wood.

And, that old knob and tube wiring wasn't the reason for your problem.

No one's pointed out that those are 30 amp fuses. The wires going to that fuse box are NOT rated for 30 amps. That was a fire waiting to happen. But, you got fortunate. And, that didn't cause the fire either.

In the aftermath it turns out the guy upstairs who 'fixed' the fuse just pulled it out and rammed it back in like 8 or 9 times as hard as he could, and then left it.

Sounds to me more like THAT is the cause of the problem. Apparently the fuse failed like it was supposed to (or failed for some other reason),
but rather than replace the larger fuses inside that part that pulls out, someone decided to "make" them work.

edit: Also, if I had to date the wires going into that fuse box, I'd put them around 1975-1980ish, at least the wire on the left side. I've worked with that brand with that style of covering before when I was a kid. I've never heard of the Dutrax brand of wire though, but the plastic coating makes me believe that it's newer than 1970.

As far as the amount of current going through there - sure, there was probably a lot of current. But not as much as some people might think.
 
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Yes a tiny piece of wire!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iClXrd50Z8

ps love the ding!

haha "dinner's ready!"


And yeah I've read on FPE stab lok breakers. I happen to have those in my house. 😱 It's the Canadian version so think I'm safe. Either way I will probably replace it at some point as I need more room. I had to exceed the 12 outlets per circuit limit just to make room. I have a separate cut off switch so I could actually replace the entire panel myself without having to call the hydro company.

And yeah if those were 30 amp that's a big no no. You need 10 awg wire for 30 amp I believe. 14awg for 15 and 12 for 20. And that's for the whole circuit, when in doubt, use a 15 amp breaker/fuse.
 
haha "dinner's ready!"



And yeah if those were 30 amp that's a big no no. You need 10 awg wire for 30 amp I believe. 14awg for 15 and 12 for 20. And that's for the whole circuit, when in doubt, use a 15 amp breaker/fuse.

Must be the Holidays...

Christmas is coming
The Goose ate the Fox!
Please put a penny
In that rusty fuse box!
 
Not really.
Burn to the ground is better. That's why they have home insurance.

And its not even his house 😛

And lose all your stuff too? All your computer data, stuff you've worked on for years, pictures, memories etc.... I don't know, I would rather try to save the house, provided it's safe. Given in this case the meter was inside then it probably would not of been safe in that case.
 
Looks like your circuit breaker failed resulting in a dead short.
The distribution transformers on the light pole should have a built in breaker as well, but it must not have tripped.

There ain't no breaker, what failed was the fuse. I'd bet long odds that someone slid a piece of metal in next to the fusses.

DrPizza picked up the other issue, 30amp fusses on #12 wire.
 
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There ain't no breaker, what failed was the fuse. I'd bet long odds that someone slid a piece of metal in next to the fusses.

Thieves will do that with the meters by putting hacksaw blades across the sockets! 😱

That pullout should be a main with a pair of 60A fuses in it? If someone jumped it a dangerous condition exists since all six branches are fused at 30A! Since there was a blizzard people probably were using electric heaters too!
 
WOW. Yeah, I'm not so sure 30A fuses are good, more like 15A for the kind of wire entering and exiting that box! (just from looks).

Glad you are safe!
 
There's nothing wrong with knob and tube wiring. In fact, some aspects of it are safer (other than it doesn't have a ground wire.) The insulated wire is not in contact with the wood - it's run through insulators, even where it passes through the wood.

And, that old knob and tube wiring wasn't the reason for your problem.

The electrician agrees. He was saying that it might've been the safest (knob & tube that is) wiring made.



I like how its charred to fuck yet that light is still on.

That actually runs off our (1st floor's) fuse box, fortunately, so the firemen didn't trip on the shit that the neighbors leave lying around up there
 
The electrician agrees. He was saying that it might've been the safest (knob & tube that is) wiring made.

Demand that the replacement wiring is done with No. 12 THHN, SCH40 conduit with Killark explosion fixtures in the basement! Don't forget the Square-D QO series load center! 😉
 
Yes a tiny piece of wire!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iClXrd50Z8

ps love the ding!

If you must pull the meter use a plunger to keep distance. Of course when the sparking and grunting is going on and you're in panic mode it takes 3 times longer to acquire what you need IF you can find it! This is why untrained people get hurt. If no one is in the house get OUT and call 911 from neighbor's phone or cell. Insurance will replace the house.

Ding! Fries are up!
 
Demand that the replacement wiring is done with No. 12 THHN, SCH40 conduit with Killark explosion fixtures in the basement! Don't forget the Square-D QO series load center! 😉

so the next time the neighbor tries to 'fix' things his arm will get blown off?
:hmm:
 
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