House almost burnt down Sunday. W/Pics & possibly vid

MrMatt

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I live in a 2 story apartment, first floor is me, 2nd (& 3rd) is another group. They had a pretty crazy party on Saturday, which I attended. Towards the end of the night I remember that their power kept going out, and one of the guys going down there to 'fix' the fuse box. In the aftermath it turns out the guy upstairs who 'fixed' the fuse just pulled it out and rammed it back in like 8 or 9 times as hard as he could, and then left it.

Fast forward to 9:30AM Sunday morning, in the middle of a blizzard. I get woken up by my room mate in the cellar yelling FUUUCK at the top of his lungs. I rush down to the cellar and there is smoke EVERYWHERE. It's also pretty hot. We're looking around trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and we look in the corner towards the fuse boxes, and notice something glowing red, and dripping what looks like orange syrup. We get closer and the heat is unbearable. To my abject horror I realize that the orange glow is the main fuse at the top. The 'syrup' is the steel melting and dripping onto the floor. I shit you not. Oddly it was only part of the fuse that was melting, the rest would end up rather intact for some reason.

So at this point I notice the rafters and beams over the fuse box are charring, so I call the FD and they get out here within a couple minutes and try and take care of things. They take care of the beams, but they can't pull the fuse, since it has electricity going through it or something. They have one of those heat sensing cameras and sure enough it's hot enough to melt steel. They were all saying that they had never seen anything like this before. They call the electric company who come out and basically say they have to shut off power to our house, obviously. So they do that. Only problem is, our furnace needs electricity to spark. So no heat, no hot water, no electricity, in the middle of a blizzard. About this time I hear yelling upstairs and go up to my floor, where my room mate has blown out 3 discs in his back and needs to go to the ER. Crazy day.

Then the electrical inspector comes over and says that there's code violations all over with our electricity and he may have to condemn the house. I'm on the phone with the land lord the whole time, and he has his electrician & his assistant come over, and they work on it from about 2PM til past midnight, and then again Monday morning to restore power. For heat they brought over a gas generator. I asked the electrician how old he thought the wiring coming into the house is, and he starts 'well when electricity was first invented...' and I knew it was going to be bad. Apparently most of the wiring is about 100 years old. Good times.

Now for some pics:

Note how the metal handle on the thing isn't melted or even glowing. This picture doesn't really do it justice, I was on the floor about 10' away and zooming in. That glowing part is actual metal
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This is the aftermath after the power was pulled and it cooled off for a couple hours.
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In this one you can see where they tore out some of the ceiling to stop it from burning. If my room mate hadn't woken up when he did and smelled smoke our house would be a smoldering pile of ash right now.
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Here's a picture of a ghost.
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MrMatt

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I can't get the video off the mini dvd for some reason. I guess I didn't initialize the disc before recording on it, now it wont let me initialize or finalize the disc so it's stuck there for now
 

xanis

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That's pretty nuts. There seems to be a lot of dumbassery involved here (on behalf of the landlord and "fix it" guy).
 

Vette73

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The wiring in the pics is not 100 years old. Maybe other places in the house.

And who ever "fixed" it should have to sleep down there for a month, or better yet kick them out.
 

MrMatt

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The wiring in the pics is not 100 years old. Maybe other places in the house.

And who ever "fixed" it should have to sleep down there for a month, or better yet kick them out.

you can't actually see the wiring in the pics I posted, I'll try to dig up pics of the wiring I'm talking about. Where that hole in the ceiling is you can see the older stuff. I may go down there after and see if the electrician left any, but I think it's all new now.
 

Squisher

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For future reference if something like this happens again, you can break the seal on the electric meter, open the door, and just yank on the glass dome the meter mechanism is in. This assumes you even know where the meter is and have access to it. And, DON'T WRAP YOUR FINGERS AROUND THE METER TO PULL IT OUT, only grab the glass.
 

edro

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Looks like your circuit breaker failed resulting in a dead short.
The distribution transformers on the light pole should have a built in breaker as well, but it must not have tripped.
 

Rubycon

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Looks like your circuit breaker failed resulting in a dead short.
The distribution transformers on the light pole should have a built in breaker as well, but it must not have tripped.

Secondaries to the meter socket are unfused!

Here is a fairly large 480V 3ɸ feed that gets faulted above the ground by a vehicle. Fuses are on the other side of the pole pigs and hold!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tCuzys-1P8

Spectacular fires can result when the feed above (before) the meter gets damaged. If you see this happening get away and call 911!
 

El Guaraguao

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If this is your first "house" fire, that smell of burnt wood, will

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Rubycon

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The first photo shows the pullout block (bakelite) glowing. It looks purpleish because your camera does not have a shortwave IR filter. My iphone does the same thing when viewing something hot. To tell if your camera filters IR just hold a remote up to it and press and hold the channel up/down or volume up/down buttons (these will broadcast continuously). If you can see the IR LED flashing then the camera does not have an IR filter in front of its sensor.

As far as the pullout block it was hottest there and shows in the second pic with the power off. The thermoset bakelite can withstand high temperatures without deforming however where the white area is was the hottest. It was actually burning! That stinks like crazy too!
 

Red Squirrel

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Woah that's crazy. I would have went outside and pulled the meter. I rather get a $500 fine then a house fire, and maybe the hydro company would let it slide considering it was a safety issue.

The wiring going to the panel looks new enough, but the panel looks quite old, and overall it looks like a very sloppy job.

Wonder what would of happened if you threw a bucket of water on it at the time. :D
 

Rubycon

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Woah that's crazy. I would have went outside and pulled the meter. I rather get a $500 fine then a house fire, and maybe the hydro company would let it slide considering it was a safety issue.

The wiring going to the panel looks new enough, but the panel looks quite old, and overall it looks like a very sloppy job.

Wonder what would of happened if you threw a bucket of water on it at the time. :D


Pulling the meter under HIGH load/fault is very risky without special training and personnel protective gear!
 

Red Squirrel

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Pulling the meter under HIGH load/fault is very risky without special training and personnel protective gear!

Yeah I will bet it can arc quite a bit, but if it's only hope in an emergency it may be better then watching the house burn down.

Wear thick gloves, and only touch the glass part, and don't look! Arc flashes can suck for the eyes.

Mind you calling hydro is the best bet I'm sure in most cases they can make it fast enough.
 

Rubycon

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Yeah I will bet it can arc quite a bit, but if it's only hope in an emergency it may be better then watching the house burn down.

Wear thick gloves, and only touch the glass part, and don't look! Arc flashes can suck for the eyes.

Mind you calling hydro is the best bet I'm sure in most cases they can make it fast enough.

Yes a tiny piece of wire!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iClXrd50Z8

ps love the ding!

If you must pull the meter use a plunger to keep distance. Of course when the sparking and grunting is going on and you're in panic mode it takes 3 times longer to acquire what you need IF you can find it! This is why untrained people get hurt. If no one is in the house get OUT and call 911 from neighbor's phone or cell. Insurance will replace the house.