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purbeast0 said:
the best marvel movie imo is iron man 1. it was just fantastic.
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Mm, I think I can agree with that. I'd probably put Winter Soldier as #2. I think the fact that the first Iron Man was so good (it's the only Marvel movie that I've seen in the theater more than once) is part of the reason why people don't like the second or third one as much.

"Mah burd...!"

I was just thinking about it, and I think one of the biggest problems with Marvel movies is the overdrawn set pieces (the big, hard-hitting scenes in a movie). It's not that the large battles (that usually take place at the end) aren't cool and all, but they're just so darn long and they usually lack any sort of emotional depth except for maybe a small part of it (e.g. Tony flying into the portal in The Avengers). That might be part of what made Winter Soldier's set piece a bit better -- it had Winter Soldier vs. Cap.
 
Aikouka said:
Mm, I think I can agree with that. I'd probably put Winter Soldier as #2. I think the fact that the first Iron Man was so good (it's the only Marvel movie that I've seen in the theater more than once) is part of the reason why people don't like the second or third one as much.

"Mah burd...!"

I was just thinking about it, and I think one of the biggest problems with Marvel movies is the overdrawn set pieces (the big, hard-hitting scenes in a movie). It's not that the large battles (that usually take place at the end) aren't cool and all, but they're just so darn long and they usually lack any sort of emotional depth except for maybe a small part of it (e.g. Tony flying into the portal in The Avengers). That might be part of what made Winter Soldier's set piece a bit better -- it had Winter Soldier vs. Cap.
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i actually was going to say that winter solder was probably the one that surprised me the most because i really liked it as well, and i was not a big fan of captain american 1. winter solder is one of my favorite marvel movies as well.
 
futurefields said:
The CGI is amazing in them. Probably the best CGI in the industry.
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Agreed. One of the biggest snubs in Academy Award history is when the original Transformers was snubbed in favor of The Golden Compass for 'Achievement in Visual Effects'. When I catch snippets of the Golden Compass now it looks like a straight to DVD release.

Say what you want about the bad acting and poor scripting but the CGI in these things is nothing short of spectacular.

Maybe it's something about giant robots that lends itself to CGI but Pacific Rim looked great, too.
 
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smitbret said:
Agreed. One of the biggest snubs in Academy Award history is when the original Transformers was snubbed in favor of The Golden Compass for 'Achievement in Visual Effects'. When I catch snippets of the Golden Compass now it looks like a straight to DVD release.

Say what you want about the bad acting and poor scripting but the CGI in these things is nothing short of spectacular.

Maybe it's something about giant robots that lends itself to CGI but Pacific Rim looked great, too.
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No risk of uncanny valley effects with giant robots.

You have a baseline for what a polar bear, monkey, or person should look like. Giant robots that can morph into different shapes....not so much. They can also have flat surfaces all over the place, and generally don't have difficult-to-render things like fur covering them.

If I remember right, Golden Compass had quite a few animals and humans to render. Furry animals, too. I understand that making something like that show up adequately in CGI is not terribly easy, assuming you don't have access to a quantum supercomputer to render each individual hair in a reasonable amount of time.
 
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Aikouka said:
Mm, I think I can agree with that. I'd probably put Winter Soldier as #2. I think the fact that the first Iron Man was so good (it's the only Marvel movie that I've seen in the theater more than once) is part of the reason why people don't like the second or third one as much.

"Mah burd...!"

I was just thinking about it, and I think one of the biggest problems with Marvel movies is the overdrawn set pieces (the big, hard-hitting scenes in a movie). It's not that the large battles (that usually take place at the end) aren't cool and all, but they're just so darn long and they usually lack any sort of emotional depth except for maybe a small part of it (e.g. Tony flying into the portal in The Avengers). That might be part of what made Winter Soldier's set piece a bit better -- it had Winter Soldier vs. Cap.
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I wasn't a fan of Capt America either. I usually like origin stories but that one was just so boring.

My favorite Marvel movies are the ones with a good dose of humor. That's why Iron Man 1 is so great, and I even liked Thor more than I expected because there's quite a bit of comedy in it.
 
I've never see a Transformer movie. I should watch at least one I guess to see what makes them so special. I generally hate comic book movies though (Guardians of the Galaxy excluded, that movie is pure awesome).
 
BurnItDwn said:
never has CGI been more believable, and better looking than 2001 A Space Odyssey.

Pacific Rim maybe is close, but, in general, film studios muck up on things like "gravity" and "physics" which makes the CGI look artificial.
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John Adams had pretty realistic CGI.
 
gorcorps said:
I wasn't a fan of Capt America either. I usually like origin stories but that one was just so boring.
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I liked the first Captain America a bit more than most. For me, one important thing is that I want my heroes to be heroic. In the beginning, the whole point was to show how Steve Rogers may be weak and ill-suited for military duty, but that he's a strong-will, self-sacrificing person. I like that.

gorcorps said:
My favorite Marvel movies are the ones with a good dose of humor. That's why Iron Man 1 is so great, and I even liked Thor more than I expected because there's quite a bit of comedy in it.
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I thought the comedy in Thor was fun, but I've just never been a huge fan of Loki like most people seem to be. Also, the whole Jane and Thor thing seemed a bit forced. Referencing what I mentioned above, I did like how Thor was willing to sacrifice himself to The Destroyer to avoid anyone else getting hurt. That's a hero to me! :'(
 
Aikouka said:
I liked the first Captain America a bit more than most. For me, one important thing is that I want my heroes to be heroic. In the beginning, the whole point was to show how Steve Rogers may be weak and ill-suited for military duty, but that he's a strong-will, self-sacrificing person. I like that.
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The first Captain America was definitely a bit crap, IMO.
Aikouka said:
I thought the comedy in Thor was fun, but I've just never been a huge fan of Loki like most people seem to be. Also, the whole Jane and Thor thing seemed a bit forced. Referencing what I mentioned above, I did like how Thor was willing to sacrifice himself to The Destroyer to avoid anyone else getting hurt. That's a hero to me! :'(
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Yeah, the Jane and Thor thing was definitely weird. Hardly seemed like enough interaction for them to be in love or whatever.
 
nakedfrog said:
The first Captain America was definitely a bit crap, IMO.
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I thought the latter part was what kind of fell flat. It sort of goes back to my complaint about lifeless set pieces. The end just sort of throws all these scenes at you in a montage of mediocrity, but it does give you two set pieces (the rescue of Bucky and the assault on Red Skull). However, they're just alright. The scene that I didn't mention (the train segment) is probably the only one that had emotional weight to it.

If only these movies could learn from a story like The Watchmen. I don't think we'll ever see an ending like
where Dr. Manhattan kills Rorschach to keep him from spilling the beans.
Although, I think Captain America 3 might do alright depending on what they decide to pull from the comics.
 
Ichinisan said:
I don't understand why people think the first was any good. All of them are garbage.
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We weren't all sick of them when the first came out, and out of the entire franchise it is objectively the least shitty. It was still dumb, but it wasn't nearly so offensively stupid.
 
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