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LMFAO</b>
I know people who live there...
that's why I'm laughing. No offense Yakko!!!!
LMFAO</b>
I know people who live there...
that's why I'm laughing. No offense Yakko!!!!
After many hours of careful analysis and prediction, I have come to the conclusion that the best possible thing to do in this case, is to keep Clinton in office for another four years.
I'm listening to the news now, and a lawyer just had a press conference announcing he was filing a lawsuit "on behalf of the nearly 20,000 disenfranchised voters who are asking for redress." Was this freaking inevitable in this society or what? Hey, when in doubt (or when your candidate loses) SUE!
I wonder if they'll retract those lawsuits if Gore happens to win. Guess they won't be so disenfranchised then.
I wonder if they'll retract those lawsuits if Gore happens to win. Guess they won't be so disenfranchised then.
A suit would only do any good if the ballot was legal. The last I heard was something about FL law requiring the democrat to be in the second position. Well, the democrat was listed second on the left side. Do they mean punch holes? Also, by FL law you're supposed to mark your choice by placing an "X" to the right of the candidate's name. Obviously, this ballot must be scrutinized with that in mind.
So a suit might be justified. But you can't expect america to sit idle while the FL courts determine the next election. For the good of the country, whoever wins the EC vote must be our next president.
So a suit might be justified. But you can't expect america to sit idle while the FL courts determine the next election. For the good of the country, whoever wins the EC vote must be our next president.
For most of us, they are simple ballots. For the elderly people in Florida, they are very difficult ballots. Once you hit 70, maybe you will understand. Our minds and bodies change. 20,000 votes is a huge difference in the outcome of this election, especially when Florida will decide the winner, and it will only be by, at most, a couple thousand votes. We should give credit to the older people for getting out and voting the way they do. They have the largest percent of voter turnout among us, and they try their hardest to do what makes a huge difference in their lives. This election may be many of their last elections to vote in. Give them the same opportunity we have. Their voices have as much right to be heard as ours do.
If the elderly didn't understand the ballot, the should have asked questions. Thats what the workers are there for. I don't blame them for misreading the ballot (despite how very easy it was to read). I do blame them for not asking for help.
Pat Buchanan was on The Today Show this morning, claiming that he didn't think those votes were his. He said that on the left it went "Bush, Gore, 1, 2, and on the right was Buchanan. But the dots went 1, Bush, 2, Buchanan, and I don't think those votes are mine and I don't feel well taking votes if they're not my votes."
The other thing you have to realize is that it's a bunch of old Floridans. So to us it may be easy, but for them, well, maybe not. And whether you think it's easy or not...there was obviously a problem because this county full of retired Jews voted ~3000 times for Buchanan. A little rediculous? I think so. And if Pat, the rightest-of-right-wings is in agreement with the Dem's, I think that says something in and of itself.
The other thing you have to realize is that it's a bunch of old Floridans. So to us it may be easy, but for them, well, maybe not. And whether you think it's easy or not...there was obviously a problem because this county full of retired Jews voted ~3000 times for Buchanan. A little rediculous? I think so. And if Pat, the rightest-of-right-wings is in agreement with the Dem's, I think that says something in and of itself.
Lets try and be a bit more understanding. I am sure you and everyone else can figure out which hole to punch, but the main issue was that these were elderly and minority voters. Sometimes when you are over the hill, you dont see things as clearly. Or if english is not your first languague, things can be a bit slower. I heard also that they did ask for help and the workers did not know themselves, probably elderly volunteers working there. bwahahahaha.
<< Their voices have as much right to be heard as ours do. >>
slunk,
Their voices were heard -- they all voted and left.
All this talk of re-voting is troubling. What if the vote Buchanan received put him over 5% nationally, meaning he's eligible for matching funds next time around? Now a re-vote comes along and brings him to 4.9%. Wow, real fair. One vote per person on Nov. 7th. No "ifs", "ands" or "butts".
slunk,
Their voices were heard -- they all voted and left.
All this talk of re-voting is troubling. What if the vote Buchanan received put him over 5% nationally, meaning he's eligible for matching funds next time around? Now a re-vote comes along and brings him to 4.9%. Wow, real fair. One vote per person on Nov. 7th. No "ifs", "ands" or "butts".
The Ballots should be written so that a 3 year old or a Floridian democrat will understand the ballot. I guess we would have to have a picture of Gore and Bush on the ballot and you tear off the picture of the person that you want to be president and deposite that picture in the big red box that has B A L L O T S written on it.
If they are confusing there are plenty of people available to help "seniors" with their vote.
If they are confusing there are plenty of people available to help "seniors" with their vote.
Bobby Ribbs: If they didn't ask for help, then its their own fault. If they asked for help from one person and it didn't appear that he knew what he was talking about, then it is their own fault that they didn't ask someone else. They have no one to blame but themselves.
By the way, the "English as a foreign language argument" is totally invalid. Names are names. Arrows are arrows. You don't need to speak English at all. All you needed to know was the name of hte candidate you wanted to vote for.
<< I guess we would have to have a picture of Gore and Bush on the ballot and you tear off the picture of the person that you want to be president and deposite that picture in the big red box that has B A L L O T S written on it. >>
NetGuySC,
Wouldn't work. The elderly could still get it wrong and tear off the pictures of everyone he doesn't want to vote for and stuff 'em all in the ballot box.
NetGuySC,
Wouldn't work. The elderly could still get it wrong and tear off the pictures of everyone he doesn't want to vote for and stuff 'em all in the ballot box.
<< Once you hit 70, maybe you will understand. >>
Nah. I took a survey that said I was likely to die before then, and if this election drags out much longer, it will be much, much before then.
This is frickin disgusting!!! Now lawyers are jumping all over this mess. What kind of country have we turned into?
If Gore had ANY HONOR AT ALL, he would conceed (again) and not put the country through this mess!
If Gore had ANY HONOR AT ALL, he would conceed (again) and not put the country through this mess!
EngineNr9,
The day after the election I felt Gore did the right and dignified thing and gave a great, reassuring speech. But today I heard he will challenge the recount result in court and drag this thing on as long as possible. That flip-flop plus the Ds inability to keep a leash on Jesse J. who didn't need to go to FL. especially when Jeb Bush pulled himself completely out of the process, makes me really angry with Gore and his camp. :|
The day after the election I felt Gore did the right and dignified thing and gave a great, reassuring speech. But today I heard he will challenge the recount result in court and drag this thing on as long as possible. That flip-flop plus the Ds inability to keep a leash on Jesse J. who didn't need to go to FL. especially when Jeb Bush pulled himself completely out of the process, makes me really angry with Gore and his camp. :|
It's quite simple really -- Gore will keep challenging the election until he wins.
First, the vote came out for Bush.
Second, they ordered a recount, and Gore's camp was happy because it would correct any problems.
Third, recount comes in, and Gore is still losing.
Fourth, Plan B -- file lawsuits and look for other means to challenge the vote based on "confusing" ballots and "disenfranchised voters".
Fifth, if Plan B fails, go to Plan C-Z -- unless one succeeds and Gore wins, then abandon all challenges.
First, the vote came out for Bush.
Second, they ordered a recount, and Gore's camp was happy because it would correct any problems.
Third, recount comes in, and Gore is still losing.
Fourth, Plan B -- file lawsuits and look for other means to challenge the vote based on "confusing" ballots and "disenfranchised voters".
Fifth, if Plan B fails, go to Plan C-Z -- unless one succeeds and Gore wins, then abandon all challenges.
Any speculation that Bush would do the same thing is just that: Speculation. In Bore's case, it's fact.
The last Republican Presidential Candidate to be faced with clear-cut electoral fraud was Nixon. It cost him Illinois, and he REFUSED to contest it because he believed it would not be in the best interest of the country.
Chew on that for a while.
Russ, NCNE
The last Republican Presidential Candidate to be faced with clear-cut electoral fraud was Nixon. It cost him Illinois, and he REFUSED to contest it because he believed it would not be in the best interest of the country.
Chew on that for a while.
Russ, NCNE
Of course it's just speculation. But you and I both know Bush is no more "above" this kind of thing than Gore is.
Konichiwa: Guessing as to how Bush would react in Gore's situation doesn't amount to a hill of beans. You can postulate all you want, but it doesn't make it fact.
The FACT is that Gore has lost the election, and he and his supporters cannot tolerate that. They have some straws to grasp, and they are grasping (gasping) for all their might. In a few days, there will be a terrible backlash as the absentee ballots arrive and are counted, further widening Bush's lead from the military vote.
Ah, but the decision will be safely in the hands of a local judge who was probably hand picked by the Democrats to hear the case. Is that righteous?
The FACT is that Gore has lost the election, and he and his supporters cannot tolerate that. They have some straws to grasp, and they are grasping (gasping) for all their might. In a few days, there will be a terrible backlash as the absentee ballots arrive and are counted, further widening Bush's lead from the military vote.
Ah, but the decision will be safely in the hands of a local judge who was probably hand picked by the Democrats to hear the case. Is that righteous?
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