Honda Sccoter Help!

[Googer]

Honda Metropolitan

Honda Metropolitan II

 

[Eli]

hmm.

Well, the Metropolitan has a bigger carburetor than the Metropolitan II.

I am not entirely sure. The website is sort've vague, eh?

It doesen't seem to say anything about horsepower or anything.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Eli
hmm.

Well, the Metropolitan has a bigger carburetor than the Metropolitan II.

I am not entirely sure. The website is sort've vague, eh?

It doesen't seem to say anything about horsepower or anything.

Thanks I did not notice that.

I am trying to beat the high gas prices and have more fun in the process. The Carburator on the Metropolitan 1 is 20% bigger, that could be a decision maker!

Scooter or Recreational vehicle makers almost never list the power ratings for their vehicles. I have noticed that it is very rare and takes some deep investiagtion to find out. 49cc is about the same size as many chainsaws. I know from looking at certain makes of chainsaws 49cc is about 1.5 to 3.0 HP or about 30-60HP per liter/1000cc.

EDIT: Just thinking, some cars like the S2000 generate 100HP per Liter, if honda could do that for a 49cc Scooter then we are looking at a 5HP beast! Zoooooom!

 

[Monkey muppet]

49cc has a top speed of 33mph-ish (about 4-5bhp)
125cc can get up to 100mph on some models (about 14bhp)

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
49cc has a top speed of 33mph-ish (about 4-5bhp)
125cc can get up to 100mph on some models (about 14bhp)

Thanks I know that. But what I do not know is the Differance between a Metropolitan and a Metropolitan II


Also there have been reports of people hitting 90KM/h or 56MP/h on 49cc Honda Metropolitans and Ruckus' with proper modifications.

 

[Eli]

You'd be surprised how much those little ~50cc engines can make.

Definitely much more than 1.5 - 3HP.

My scooter will do 40MPH.. although it has very little hill climbing power with such a low gear ratio.

Man, I miss 'er.. she's been out of commission for a couple of years... something wacky with the engine.

I got a damn lemon. Only 40 hours on the engine and now she won't start anymore. I'm a damn small engine mechanic and it has me perplexed..

I've been meaning to send it off to the shop and get her up and running again. Gotta love 75+MPG.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Eli
You'd be surprised how much those little ~50cc engines can make.

Definitely much more than 1.5 - 3HP.

My scooter will do 40MPH.. although it has very little hill climbing power with such a low gear ratio.

Man, I miss 'er.. she's been out of commission for a couple of years... something wacky with the engine.

I got a damn lemon. Only 40 hours on the engine and now she won't start anymore. I'm a damn small engine mechanic and it has me perplexed..

I've been meaning to send it off to the shop and get her up and running again. Gotta love 75+MPG.

How much power does that beast have? My guess is eight horsepower.

 

[dc]

from the 2001 motor show

crea scoopy <3

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Eli
You'd be surprised how much those little ~50cc engines can make.

Definitely much more than 1.5 - 3HP.

My scooter will do 40MPH.. although it has very little hill climbing power with such a low gear ratio.

Man, I miss 'er.. she's been out of commission for a couple of years... something wacky with the engine.

I got a damn lemon. Only 40 hours on the engine and now she won't start anymore. I'm a damn small engine mechanic and it has me perplexed..

I've been meaning to send it off to the shop and get her up and running again. Gotta love 75+MPG.

How much power does that beast have? My guess is eight horsepower.

Ha, I wish! That'd be scary. :Q

Stock, the Honda GXH50 puts out a whopping 2.5HP @ 7000RPM. It's only 49cc. Not really comparable to the engines on the "real" scooters.. It is a utility engine.

Those type of little scooters only have 1 gear though, so they're not even comparable to a street-legal scooters like you're looking at ... more of a fun toy than anything.

Oregon treats them like bicycles though, and Portland has very good bike access.. so it is possible to use them for transportation.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: dc
from the 2001 motor show

crea scoopy <3

Scoopy is cool, I do like the Work Zoomer too; it is based off the Honda Ruckus.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Eli
You'd be surprised how much those little ~50cc engines can make.

Definitely much more than 1.5 - 3HP.

My scooter will do 40MPH.. although it has very little hill climbing power with such a low gear ratio.

Man, I miss 'er.. she's been out of commission for a couple of years... something wacky with the engine.

I got a damn lemon. Only 40 hours on the engine and now she won't start anymore. I'm a damn small engine mechanic and it has me perplexed..

I've been meaning to send it off to the shop and get her up and running again. Gotta love 75+MPG.

How much power does that beast have? My guess is eight horsepower.

Ha, I wish! That'd be scary. :Q

Stock, the Honda GXH50 puts out a whopping 2.5HP @ 7000RPM.

Those type of little scooters only have 1 gear though, so they're not even comparable to a street-legal scooters like you're looking at ... more of a fun toy than anything.

Oregon treats them like bicycles though, and Portland has very good bike access.. so it is possible to use them for transportation.

I am going to go little off topic but not by far.

I have a Honda HRM-210 Lawn Mower. It is a Piece of **** when it comes to cutting grass, the engine has no power. Do you know how to tweak some more juice from it or where or How I could fit a small turbo charger to it? Unlike my Old :heart: Kawasaki 4.5 Honda engines never seem to have any serious torque.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Eli
You'd be surprised how much those little ~50cc engines can make.

Definitely much more than 1.5 - 3HP.

My scooter will do 40MPH.. although it has very little hill climbing power with such a low gear ratio.

Man, I miss 'er.. she's been out of commission for a couple of years... something wacky with the engine.

I got a damn lemon. Only 40 hours on the engine and now she won't start anymore. I'm a damn small engine mechanic and it has me perplexed..

I've been meaning to send it off to the shop and get her up and running again. Gotta love 75+MPG.

How much power does that beast have? My guess is eight horsepower.

Ha, I wish! That'd be scary. :Q

Stock, the Honda GXH50 puts out a whopping 2.5HP @ 7000RPM.

Those type of little scooters only have 1 gear though, so they're not even comparable to a street-legal scooters like you're looking at ... more of a fun toy than anything.

Oregon treats them like bicycles though, and Portland has very good bike access.. so it is possible to use them for transportation.

I am going to go little off topic but not by far.

I have a Honda HRM-210 Lawn Mower. It is a Piece of **** when it comes to cutting grass, the engine has no power. Do you know how to tweak some more juice from it or where or How I could fit a small turbo charger to it? Unlike my Old :heart: Kawasaki 4.5 Honda engines never seem to have any serious torque.

I've only seen a turbocharger on a small engine once...

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Isn't that just the most badass thing you've ever seen? LOL

As for the lawnmower... you'd be surprised at what a blade sharpening can do. If you haven't done it in a few seasons, look into it... it can make a lawnmower a completely new machine.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Eli
You'd be surprised how much those little ~50cc engines can make.

Definitely much more than 1.5 - 3HP.

My scooter will do 40MPH.. although it has very little hill climbing power with such a low gear ratio.

Man, I miss 'er.. she's been out of commission for a couple of years... something wacky with the engine.

I got a damn lemon. Only 40 hours on the engine and now she won't start anymore. I'm a damn small engine mechanic and it has me perplexed..

I've been meaning to send it off to the shop and get her up and running again. Gotta love 75+MPG.

How much power does that beast have? My guess is eight horsepower.

Ha, I wish! That'd be scary. :Q

Stock, the Honda GXH50 puts out a whopping 2.5HP @ 7000RPM.

Those type of little scooters only have 1 gear though, so they're not even comparable to a street-legal scooters like you're looking at ... more of a fun toy than anything.

Oregon treats them like bicycles though, and Portland has very good bike access.. so it is possible to use them for transportation.

I am going to go little off topic but not by far.

I have a Honda HRM-210 Lawn Mower. It is a Piece of **** when it comes to cutting grass, the engine has no power. Do you know how to tweak some more juice from it or where or How I could fit a small turbo charger to it? Unlike my Old :heart: Kawasaki 4.5 Honda engines never seem to have any serious torque.

I've only seen a turbocharger on a small engine once...

Text

Isn't that just the most badass thing you've ever seen? LOL

As for the lawnmower... you'd be surprised at what a blade sharpening can do. If you haven't done it in a few seasons, look into it... it can make a lawnmower a completely new machine.

That is one crazy machine. How did he affix the turbo to it? I should contact him since he is only a few hours away in Jacksonville. If I decide to do it I will post the results.

Sharpening the blade does not help this expensive and pathetic excuse for a lawnmower. My old John Deere with a Kawasaki Industrial 4.5 HP can cut through anything with a dull blade and do it better than my newer Honda HRM-210 with a sharp blade.

In fact I rarely sharpend my Deere's blade.


http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2001/motor/image/movie/real/zoomer.ram

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
49cc has a top speed of 33mph-ish (about 4-5bhp)
125cc can get up to 100mph on some models (about 14bhp)

If you go for a wussy 'twist-and-go' gearless 50cc scooter, you're going get about 40mph tops out of it. The transmission in those things kill the power output. The maximum speed you're going to get out of any 50cc is about 50 -> 55mph (wind depending). You can buy motocross style bikes such as the derbi which have decent suspension, brakes and tyres which keep things much safer than the piddly little bicycle-tyres of scooters. I'm sure you'll agree they're much less girly, too.
Back in the day I had a an older version of these derbis and they're really not bad for a 50, although the reliability was low due to me being only 16 and ragging the crap out of it all the time. The 95 Derbi sendar had 8HP at the flywheel (derestricted).

Now I've gone for a NSR 125 which is massively quicker. I've dropped the gear ratio down a fraction (two teeth larger on the rear sprocket) and it accelerates like a beast. 0 -> 60 is about 4.5 seconds. It pushes out roughly 35BHP at the flywheel. There's a massive difference between a 50 and a 125.

I'd say go for a 125: if you want a bike that gives you a real buzz and can take 450cc 4-strokes, go for the RS, Mito or NSR if you can find one.

Don't bother with the metro scooter.

 

[Googer]

I found the Answer! Bingo! Thanks to everyone who helped, DC if you had not shown me the Scoopy I would not have found this page.
http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/metropolitan.html

The Metropolitan II is the Restricted version of the Metropolitan 1

Cliffs Notes

This is for all of you folks out there that may have 'accidently'(or fooled by the dealer) bought a Honda Metropolitan 2(CHF50P). For those of you who don't know, the Metropolitan II comes heavily restricted from Honda to meet the moped regulations in some markets. What this amounts to is having a modern brand-new scooter with a wonderful engine that only goes 25 mph, while the Metropolitan 1 goes about 40(I hear, but not actually tested by me). After I came into a great deal on a used and slightly abused MET 2 scooter, I started to do what just about anyone else would do; figure out how to go faster. It was fairly obvious just from riding the MET 2 that it was restricted, so I set out to figure out what was restricting it. Much unlike the rest of the two-stroke scooters here on Doug's site, the MET 2 ended up having very thorough restrictions that are not cheaply or easily rectified. As honda appears to be going to more and more of a 4stroke lineup even for the under 50cc cycles, hopefully this is a good starting point for uunderstanding how honda engineers the 4 strokes and what we can do to make them go faster in the future. Read on to see what you can do to make your MET 2 more like a MET 1:

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
49cc has a top speed of 33mph-ish (about 4-5bhp)
125cc can get up to 100mph on some models (about 14bhp)

If you go for a wussy 'twist-and-go' gearless 50cc scooter, you're going get about 40mph tops out of it. The transmission in those things kill the power output. The maximum speed you're going to get out of any 50cc is about 50 -> 55mph (wind depending). You can buy motocross style bikes such as the derbi which have decent suspension, brakes and tyres which keep things much safer than the piddly little bicycle-tyres of scooters. I'm sure you'll agree they're much less girly, too.
Back in the day I had a an older version of these derbis and they're really not bad for a 50, although the reliability was low due to me being only 16 and ragging the crap out of it all the time. The 95 Derbi sendar had 8HP at the flywheel (derestricted).

Now I've gone for a NSR 125 which is massively quicker. I've dropped the gear ratio down a fraction (two teeth larger on the rear sprocket) and it accelerates like a beast. 0 -> 60 is about 4.5 seconds. It pushes out roughly 35BHP at the flywheel. There's a massive difference between a 50 and a 125.

I'd say go for a 125: if you want a bike that gives you a real buzz and can take 450cc 4-strokes, go for the RS, Mito or NSR if you can find one.

Don't bother with the metro scooter.

Dughhhh.... You are missing the point to my inquirey into a scooter. I am looking for local transportation, I only drive 5-8 miles to get to work and gas prices are 3.25 per gallon and spend $35-$40 a week on gasoline. I am not after speed, so 0-60 does not matter for me. I need something practical and the Metropolitan has storage space for me to carry my things to work and do my shopping localy. 40MPH is as fast as I need to go, Florida is so full of old ladies driveing Golf Carts and Grand Marques that there is no point in passing becase the next car that will be in front of you wont be going much faster than 35. At least with a scooter I can skip the streets and drive on the local golf cart trails.

My other reason for thinking about a metro is the cost, a new one runs less than $2000 and a 50cc sport bike costs 3,500 and that it isn't even road legal.

If I was willing to spend more money I would probably get a Silverwing, Big Ruckus, or a Vespa Limited Edition with hand stiched suade seat but I am not willing to spend more than $2,100. Also in Florida anything over 50cc requires a motorcycle licence that I am not willing to take the time to get.

If the Metropolitan is girly, then what do you think of the Honda Ruckus?

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
49cc has a top speed of 33mph-ish (about 4-5bhp)
125cc can get up to 100mph on some models (about 14bhp)

If you go for a wussy 'twist-and-go' gearless 50cc scooter, you're going get about 40mph tops out of it. The transmission in those things kill the power output. The maximum speed you're going to get out of any 50cc is about 50 -> 55mph (wind depending). You can buy motocross style bikes such as the derbi which have decent suspension, brakes and tyres which keep things much safer than the piddly little bicycle-tyres of scooters. I'm sure you'll agree they're much less girly, too.
Back in the day I had a an older version of these derbis and they're really not bad for a 50, although the reliability was low due to me being only 16 and ragging the crap out of it all the time. The 95 Derbi sendar had 8HP at the flywheel (derestricted).

Now I've gone for a NSR 125 which is massively quicker. I've dropped the gear ratio down a fraction (two teeth larger on the rear sprocket) and it accelerates like a beast. 0 -> 60 is about 4.5 seconds. It pushes out roughly 35BHP at the flywheel. There's a massive difference between a 50 and a 125.

I'd say go for a 125: if you want a bike that gives you a real buzz and can take 450cc 4-strokes, go for the RS, Mito or NSR if you can find one.

Don't bother with the metro scooter.

Dughhhh.... You are missing the point to my inquirey into a scooter. I am looking for local transportation, I only drive 5-8 miles to get to work and gas prices are 3.25 per gallon and spend $35-$40 a week on gasoline. I am not after speed, so 0-60 does not matter for me. I need something practical and the Metropolitan has storage space for me to carry my things to work and do my shopping localy. 40MPH is as fast as I need to go, Florida is so full of old ladies driveing Golf Carts and Grand Marques that there is no point in passing becase the next car that will be in front of you wont be going much faster than 35. At least with a scooter I can skip the streets and drive on the local golf cart trails.

My other reason for thinking about a metro is the cost, a new one runs less than $2000 and a 50cc sport bike costs 3,500 and it isn't even road legal.

If I was willing to spend more money I would probably get a Silverwing or Big Ruckus, but I am not willing to spend more than $2,100. Also in Florida anything over 50cc requires a motorcycle licence that I am not willing to take the time to get.

If the Metropolitan is girly, then what do you think of the Honda Ruckus?

Well I agree with you that the scoot scoots are more practical, eg you can shove your helmet under the bag.

The derbi's are fuly road legal and are much more stable and safer IMO, but it would appear they're not up for you.

The Honda Ruckus looks pretty cool I guess, but it appears to have drum brakes F&R. It also doesn't appear to have the under-seat storage that makes scooters so practical.

Ehh... it's up to you of course. Whatever you do, at least derestrict it! Be careful though, I knew this tard who cut his HT lead thinking it was going to the 'ecu' that was restricting the bike (turns out it was just the coil). Made me laugh, though.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
49cc has a top speed of 33mph-ish (about 4-5bhp)
125cc can get up to 100mph on some models (about 14bhp)

If you go for a wussy 'twist-and-go' gearless 50cc scooter, you're going get about 40mph tops out of it. The transmission in those things kill the power output. The maximum speed you're going to get out of any 50cc is about 50 -> 55mph (wind depending). You can buy motocross style bikes such as the derbi which have decent suspension, brakes and tyres which keep things much safer than the piddly little bicycle-tyres of scooters. I'm sure you'll agree they're much less girly, too.
Back in the day I had a an older version of these derbis and they're really not bad for a 50, although the reliability was low due to me being only 16 and ragging the crap out of it all the time. The 95 Derbi sendar had 8HP at the flywheel (derestricted).

Now I've gone for a NSR 125 which is massively quicker. I've dropped the gear ratio down a fraction (two teeth larger on the rear sprocket) and it accelerates like a beast. 0 -> 60 is about 4.5 seconds. It pushes out roughly 35BHP at the flywheel. There's a massive difference between a 50 and a 125.

I'd say go for a 125: if you want a bike that gives you a real buzz and can take 450cc 4-strokes, go for the RS, Mito or NSR if you can find one.

Don't bother with the metro scooter.

Dughhhh.... You are missing the point to my inquirey into a scooter. I am looking for local transportation, I only drive 5-8 miles to get to work and gas prices are 3.25 per gallon and spend $35-$40 a week on gasoline. I am not after speed, so 0-60 does not matter for me. I need something practical and the Metropolitan has storage space for me to carry my things to work and do my shopping localy. 40MPH is as fast as I need to go, Florida is so full of old ladies driveing Golf Carts and Grand Marques that there is no point in passing becase the next car that will be in front of you wont be going much faster than 35. At least with a scooter I can skip the streets and drive on the local golf cart trails.

My other reason for thinking about a metro is the cost, a new one runs less than $2000 and a 50cc sport bike costs 3,500 and it isn't even road legal.

If I was willing to spend more money I would probably get a Silverwing or Big Ruckus, but I am not willing to spend more than $2,100. Also in Florida anything over 50cc requires a motorcycle licence that I am not willing to take the time to get.

If the Metropolitan is girly, then what do you think of the Honda Ruckus?

Well I agree with you that the scoot scoots are more practical, eg you can shove your helmet under the bag.

The derbi's are fuly road legal and are much more stable and safer IMO, but it would appear they're not up for you.

The Honda Ruckus looks pretty cool I guess, but it appears to have drum brakes F&R. It also doesn't appear to have the under-seat storage that makes scooters so practical.

Ehh... it's up to you of course. Whatever you do, at least derestrict it! Be careful though, I knew this tard who cut his HT lead thinking it was going to the 'ecu' that was restricting the bike (turns out it was just the coil). Made me laugh, though.

Apearntly Italian Men do not find the Vespa to be so girly, because there are millions guys in Italia that use and depend on them every day. 16 Million sold so far and quite a few owners have had them for 15 years or more.

 

[Tiamat]

Somewhat off topic, but is there any way you can modify scooters so they take hills better? I don't really care about top speed as long as it goes 30mph, but i dont want to be pushing the scooter up hills. (I guess im asking "how do you improve torque given a small motor/package")

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Monkey muppet
49cc has a top speed of 33mph-ish (about 4-5bhp)
125cc can get up to 100mph on some models (about 14bhp)

If you go for a wussy 'twist-and-go' gearless 50cc scooter, you're going get about 40mph tops out of it. The transmission in those things kill the power output. The maximum speed you're going to get out of any 50cc is about 50 -> 55mph (wind depending). You can buy motocross style bikes such as the derbi which have decent suspension, brakes and tyres which keep things much safer than the piddly little bicycle-tyres of scooters. I'm sure you'll agree they're much less girly, too.
Back in the day I had a an older version of these derbis and they're really not bad for a 50, although the reliability was low due to me being only 16 and ragging the crap out of it all the time. The 95 Derbi sendar had 8HP at the flywheel (derestricted).

Now I've gone for a NSR 125 which is massively quicker. I've dropped the gear ratio down a fraction (two teeth larger on the rear sprocket) and it accelerates like a beast. 0 -> 60 is about 4.5 seconds. It pushes out roughly 35BHP at the flywheel. There's a massive difference between a 50 and a 125.

I'd say go for a 125: if you want a bike that gives you a real buzz and can take 450cc 4-strokes, go for the RS, Mito or NSR if you can find one.

Don't bother with the metro scooter.

Dughhhh.... You are missing the point to my inquirey into a scooter. I am looking for local transportation, I only drive 5-8 miles to get to work and gas prices are 3.25 per gallon and spend $35-$40 a week on gasoline. I am not after speed, so 0-60 does not matter for me. I need something practical and the Metropolitan has storage space for me to carry my things to work and do my shopping localy. 40MPH is as fast as I need to go, Florida is so full of old ladies driveing Golf Carts and Grand Marques that there is no point in passing becase the next car that will be in front of you wont be going much faster than 35. At least with a scooter I can skip the streets and drive on the local golf cart trails.

My other reason for thinking about a metro is the cost, a new one runs less than $2000 and a 50cc sport bike costs 3,500 and that it isn't even road legal.

If I was willing to spend more money I would probably get a Silverwing, Big Ruckus, or a Vespa Limited Edition with hand stiched suade seat but I am not willing to spend more than $2,100. Also in Florida anything over 50cc requires a motorcycle licence that I am not willing to take the time to get.

If the Metropolitan is girly, then what do you think of the Honda Ruckus?

You math doesn't add up. $40 at $3.25/gal is 12.3 gallons, since you only 8 miles to work, that means 16 miles per day. With a 7 day work week that's 112 miles, or 9MPG. Ouch!

Assuming a more reasonable 5 day work week you get an abysmal 6.5MPG.

:shocked:

 

[Googer]

By the way your NSR is only 15 horsepower.
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_nsr_125_2003.php


And how much was that derbi and the NSR125?

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
Somewhat off topic, but is there any way you can modify scooters so they take hills better? I don't really care about top speed as long as it goes 30mph, but i dont want to be pushing the scooter up hills. (I guess im asking "how do you improve torque given a small motor/package")

Yes there is a way to make your scooter faster. In my searches to find the differances here I have leaned that there are 80-85cc conversion kits out there for 50cc scooters along with tons of other performance parts. I have also learned that you can put larger carburators to get more power. 55MPH is not too uncommon for a modified scooter.
http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Elite_1.html
http://www.metrakit.es/Metrakit/Tuning_...7xM5Su8JIQayFDQuFDFJqv2NVRK+hWT82kfrXh
http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/Honda50.html
http://www3.telus.net/dougsimpson/GoFast.html

Loic2003 stated that the ruckus had only drum brakes, I have found a disk brake kit but it costs $350 for just the front brakes only. OUCH! 2 calipers, 2 rotors, and 4 pads for my car cost less than that.
2 Rotors: $25 ea
2 Sets of Pads: $45
2 Calipers: $90
$160 total
Prices are from a few years ago when I had the brakes redone.

Honda Rucks Disc Brake Kit:
1 rotor, 1 Caliper, 1 set of pads, i brake lever and cable= $350! + the voided honda warrenty.

As for iamawiz82's gas milage question, I drive other place than just to work. Each way is 6.5 miles and if I stop somewhere on the way it adds a few more. Round Trip to work and back is roughly 12 miles. In a given week my most frequent journey from home is a one way trip of about 15 miles. 30 for a round trip.

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Googer
By the way your NSR is only 15 horsepower.
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_nsr_125_2003.php


And how much was that derbi and the NSR125?

That's the legal limit for a 125 in the UK, ie that's a restricted rating. check out the other 125's on that website.... 99% are quoted at 15HP or less.

Looking around, however, it's looking like it's more like 30HP rather than 35.

example 1
example 2


You can get capacity upgrades for scooters, as well as exhaust upgrades... not worth it though.

I bought my bikes second hand:

Derbi: £750
NSR: £2,100

Sold the derbi for £775 after 18 months, but did spend ~£500 on it.
Still own the NSR.

 

[loic2003]

Also, be careful altering the carb of your scoot/50cc: these things are two stroke and can die quickly if the oil concentration is not perfect.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: loic2003
Also, be careful altering the carb of your scoot/50cc: these things are two stroke and can die quickly if the oil concentration is not perfect.

I do not think it matters much on a four stroke metropolitan/ruckus. There is no oil or gas to mix.