Honda CEO: "300HP NSX should beat Ferrari"

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AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: JYDog
I think Honda needs to best the 360 by 10%. Its only fair since they've had all the time in the world. It would be almost pathetic if they don't. Granted this would mean 0-60 in 4.0 seconds or less and a top speed of 200mph. If the NSX fails to delivers though, Honda should just quit the supercar business. You can't make half baked sports cars and then call it a supercar.

 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: SaigonK
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Why would they say stupid stuff like that? Also, why won't they give it more power? Maybe use the 3.5L V6? Jeez.. a supercar shouldn't even have any engine other than one that is perfectly balanced. That means V8, V12, I6... NOT V6. To the guy with the snowmobile...NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SNOWMOBILE RUNNING 10s. We don't live in Alaska.

Yeah..well i donyt drive an Acura and neithr do you, so why should you care about it?
The point is I could whip its ass from start to finish on a sled that runs on the snow and only $7000. So lets see pound for pound I would say my snowmobile kicks the snot out of just about any car you have drive or will ever drive.

How about on a round track? THat's right sucker! Your snowmobile only steers on snow!
 

stnicralisk

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I believe that a while ago acura was talking about adding electronic motors to the front wheels of the next NSX. I have no proof that this is what they are doing but they had a concept for two years in a row called the msx or somesuch. It used the NSX motor 3.2 v6 + 2x50hp electronic motors on the front wheels.

If the nsx is sporting those electronic motors then it has +100 hp from the beginning to end of the powerband.. which would be no joke. Where did you find more info on the new NSX btw.

If you go to an nsx forum youll find a good amount of people hit ~13 stock. They handle a supercharger really well too.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: stnicralisk
I believe that a while ago acura was talking about adding electronic motors to the front wheels of the next NSX. I have no proof that this is what they are doing but they had a concept for two years in a row called the msx or somesuch. It used the NSX motor 3.2 v6 + 2x50hp electronic motors on the front wheels.

If the nsx is sporting those electronic motors then it has +100 hp from the beginning to end of the powerband.. which would be no joke. Where did you find more info on the new NSX btw.

If you go to an nsx forum youll find a good amount of people hit ~13 stock. They handle a supercharger really well too.

I don't think it would be 100hp from the beginning to the end of the powerband. AFAIK torque stays constant in an electric motor, so hp would increas linearly.
 

SaigonK

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: SaigonK
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis Why would they say stupid stuff like that? Also, why won't they give it more power? Maybe use the 3.5L V6? Jeez.. a supercar shouldn't even have any engine other than one that is perfectly balanced. That means V8, V12, I6... NOT V6. To the guy with the snowmobile...NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SNOWMOBILE RUNNING 10s. We don't live in Alaska.
Yeah..well i donyt drive an Acura and neithr do you, so why should you care about it? The point is I could whip its ass from start to finish on a sled that runs on the snow and only $7000. So lets see pound for pound I would say my snowmobile kicks the snot out of just about any car you have drive or will ever drive.
How about on a round track? THat's right sucker! Your snowmobile only steers on snow!

Actually with wheels on the front they can go right around a track, and id like to see your NSX race me across a frozen lake...hell Id let you go by with a running start and maybe give you a 10 car lead... :D
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Why would they say stupid stuff like that? Also, why won't they give it more power? Maybe use the 3.5L V6? Jeez.. a supercar shouldn't even have any engine other than one that is perfectly balanced. That means V8, V12, I6... NOT V6.

To the guy with the snowmobile...NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SNOWMOBILE RUNNING 10s. We don't live in Alaska.
V8s aren't inherently balanced.

Are you sure? Typical American V8s aren't, but the European ones are. American V8s put two pistons on each crank whereas Ferrari splits the crank and has each piston on its own..

Umm...the physics of a American V8 is the same as the physics of a European V8. It has to do with physics not country of development. And yes Ferrari uses a flat-crank V8 in their 360 Modena (and I beleive older 355s) which is where they get that distinctive sound from. The engine still isn't naturally balanced, they use counterweights and other stuff to get rid of the vibrations.

Most modern engines are artifically balanced (as the excerpt about the Caddy V8 you posted above), but only inline 6s and V12s are NATURALLY balanced. There is a difference between artificially and naturally balanced engines. Mainly that artifically balanced engines use counterweights and other oddities that sap power. Granted when your making a healthy 400hp, the parastic losses of the counterweights are neglible.

note that when I say artificially balanced I don't mean that the engines are completely balanced, however the NVH is still reduced substantially to the point where its hard to feel the unbalanced-ness.

Btw, you have a 95 240 with the KA24DE, that engine is not counterbalanced <as far as I can tell>. Drive a 98 Altima (which shares the same engine which seems to be counterbalanced) and compare the way the engine revs to your 240SX. A world of difference. You can feel the harshness of the motor in the 240, but not in the Altima. However, I enjoyed the harshness so it wasn't a problem to me. :)
Horizontally-opposed engines are also balanced.

V-16 and two liter or smaller four cylinder engines are also balanced.


Yeah V16s are naturally balanced.

< 2L four cylinders aren't naturally balanced. They are smoother than larger displacements 4cyls...but they aren't naturally balanced. If an engine is naturally balanced, then displacement won't really make a difference to its smoothness/vibrations characteristics.

Yeah I checked this site. V8s aren't balance after all.

Are you sure V16s are naturally balanced? Are I8s balanced?
I don't think so...we'd have to ask an owner of a Duesenberg for that.

Actually I don't think V16's are naturally balanced.

I think V24s are (or would be theoretically) because inline 12s are balanced.

Really it's inline 6s that are balanced and an inline 12 is 2 of those. So a V24 would be 4. Is there any such thing as an inline 12 or V24??
The longer the engine gets the more the crankshaft flexes...
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: geno

Whoever drove that Mustang SUCKS - a Cobra can rip off a 13.0 flat, something a stock NSX will NEVER do.

? http://www.dragtimes.com/browse3.php?carmake=Acura&carmodel=NSX

There are tons of others in reality as well.

The NSX is a car those with money buy. The Cobra someone with their first *real* job.

I will say it may be cheaper to get a Cobra to 10's, but you throw enough cash at something it gets done.

&Aring;
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: SaigonK
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: SaigonK
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis Why would they say stupid stuff like that? Also, why won't they give it more power? Maybe use the 3.5L V6? Jeez.. a supercar shouldn't even have any engine other than one that is perfectly balanced. That means V8, V12, I6... NOT V6. To the guy with the snowmobile...NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SNOWMOBILE RUNNING 10s. We don't live in Alaska.
Yeah..well i donyt drive an Acura and neithr do you, so why should you care about it? The point is I could whip its ass from start to finish on a sled that runs on the snow and only $7000. So lets see pound for pound I would say my snowmobile kicks the snot out of just about any car you have drive or will ever drive.
How about on a round track? THat's right sucker! Your snowmobile only steers on snow!

Actually with wheels on the front they can go right around a track, and id like to see your NSX race me across a frozen lake...hell Id let you go by with a running start and maybe give you a 10 car lead... :D
Does the NSX get chain tires?
 

sillymofo

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Originally posted by: SaigonK
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: SaigonK
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis Why would they say stupid stuff like that? Also, why won't they give it more power? Maybe use the 3.5L V6? Jeez.. a supercar shouldn't even have any engine other than one that is perfectly balanced. That means V8, V12, I6... NOT V6. To the guy with the snowmobile...NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SNOWMOBILE RUNNING 10s. We don't live in Alaska.
Yeah..well i donyt drive an Acura and neithr do you, so why should you care about it? The point is I could whip its ass from start to finish on a sled that runs on the snow and only $7000. So lets see pound for pound I would say my snowmobile kicks the snot out of just about any car you have drive or will ever drive.
How about on a round track? THat's right sucker! Your snowmobile only steers on snow!
Actually with wheels on the front they can go right around a track, and id like to see your NSX race me across a frozen lake...hell Id let you go by with a running start and maybe give you a 10 car lead... :D
A frozen solid lake? How large is this lake? What's your top speed? :p
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: SaigonK
So to my point, anything can go fast. Its all about what you are riding.
I can probably beat 70% of all cars out there all pumped up on nitro and superhcarges and riced out with a measly 800cc snowmobile., :) Stock two stroke baby!

Just a comparison. :)

Just as most people can outrun or out pedal many motor powered rockets in the first few

so how does your 800cc snowblower do with a date and in the rain at 50deg or so?

:)

We are talking cars here not crotch rockets which anyone will say own all. Perhaps someone here is a clown that gets shot out of a cannon each day and can contribute a best 60' time?

&Aring;
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Why would they say stupid stuff like that? Also, why won't they give it more power? Maybe use the 3.5L V6? Jeez.. a supercar shouldn't even have any engine other than one that is perfectly balanced. That means V8, V12, I6... NOT V6.

To the guy with the snowmobile...NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SNOWMOBILE RUNNING 10s. We don't live in Alaska.
V8s aren't inherently balanced.

Are you sure? Typical American V8s aren't, but the European ones are. American V8s put two pistons on each crank whereas Ferrari splits the crank and has each piston on its own..

"What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
"What do you mean? An African or European swallow?"

&Aring;
 

alkemyst

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cylinders = smoothness

displacement = power

power to weight is one part, gearing is the next

most only see V8 vs V4 or 300hp vs 250hp.

most are idiots.

&Aring;
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: alkemyst


We are talking cars here not crotch rockets which anyone will say own all. Perhaps someone here is a clown that gets shot out of a cannon each day and can contribute a best 60' time?

&Aring;

LOL! That's some funny ish!

 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
cylinders = smoothness

displacement = power

power to weight is one part, gearing is the next

most only see V8 vs V4 or 300hp vs 250hp.

most are idiots.

&Aring;

Power is a product of the displacement and rpm.. So power is a product of the amount of air/fuel flowing thruogh the engine.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: alkemyst
cylinders = smoothness

displacement = power

power to weight is one part, gearing is the next

most only see V8 vs V4 or 300hp vs 250hp.

most are idiots.

&Aring;

Power is a product of the displacement and rpm.. So power is a product of the amount of air/fuel flowing thruogh the engine.
LOLOL

 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
Originally posted by: alkemyst
cylinders = smoothness

displacement = power

power to weight is one part, gearing is the next

most only see V8 vs V4 or 300hp vs 250hp.

most are idiots.

&Aring;

Power is a product of the displacement and rpm.. So power is a product of the amount of air/fuel flowing thruogh the engine.
LOLOL

he's somewat right. Its not exactly a product, but the more air you can pump thru and hte faster you can combust the more powre the engine will make. of course you take into account the intensity of the combustion and such..
 

bolido2000

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
cylinders = smoothness

displacement = power

power to weight is one part, gearing is the next

most only see V8 vs V4 or 300hp vs 250hp.

most are idiots.

&Aring;

You mean I4
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: bolido2000
Originally posted by: alkemyst
cylinders = smoothness

displacement = power

power to weight is one part, gearing is the next

most only see V8 vs V4 or 300hp vs 250hp.

most are idiots.

&Aring;

You mean I4

i've seen V4s
 

Ryan

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NSX-R: 12.8s quarter mile: http://www.nsxsc.com/

Also, in the August 1998 issue of Car and Driver ran a stock '97 NSX through the quarter mile @ 12.8s (0-60mph in 4.5 seconds).
 

Nebor

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Who cares if the NSX can beat the Ferrari on a track. In the end, it's a japanese car. It may be good, but it's not the best, it's "sensible." Just like a Honda Civic.

I'd take any European car other than a VW, or Fiat over an Acura NSX. A BMW 330ci, or a Jaguar X-type are far more desirable.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Who cares if the NSX can beat the Ferrari on a track. In the end, it's a japanese car. It may be good, but it's not the best, it's "sensible." Just like a Honda Civic.

I'd take any European car other than a VW, or Fiat over an Acura NSX. A BMW 330ci, or a Jaguar X-type are far more desirable.

You always say that. I don't know why you hate Japanese cars but whatever. What do you drive right now anyway?
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Who cares if the NSX can beat the Ferrari on a track. In the end, it's a japanese car. It may be good, but it's not the best, it's "sensible." Just like a Honda Civic.

I'd take any European car other than a VW, or Fiat over an Acura NSX. A BMW 330ci, or a Jaguar X-type are far more desirable.

What's wrong with the sensible sports car (which the NSX was marketed as).

Atleast the NSX doesnt' go blowing up engines or needing a rebuild every 30k miles.
 

0roo0roo

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bah ugly old and over priced. this months popular mechanics has a top 10 comparison of stock but very fast cars:) course nsx isn't anywhere on there. ones like saleen/viper/vette/ etc are on there of course. nsx is just a joke, they shoulda just stopped making it when toyota dumped the supra since they didn't bother with redesigns and just let it grow obsolete:p thats not how u treat a super car.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: Nebor
Who cares if the NSX can beat the Ferrari on a track. In the end, it's a japanese car. It may be good, but it's not the best, it's "sensible." Just like a Honda Civic.

I'd take any European car other than a VW, or Fiat over an Acura NSX. A BMW 330ci, or a Jaguar X-type are far more desirable.

You always say that. I don't know why you hate Japanese cars but whatever. What do you drive right now anyway?

An Acura TL Stype and an SVT Lighting. :p