Originally posted by: Nebor
An Acura TL Stype and an SVT Lighting.
You must hate driving that TL.
You must hate driving that TL.
Originally posted by: bR
Originally posted by: Nebor
An Acura TL Stype and an SVT Lighting.
You must hate driving that TL.
he's prolly bitter cuz of all those Tranny problems.
OS
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The NSX is actually faster than the "only" 290 HP rating would suggest. The NSX has a midengined layout. Almost all ground up, purpose built race cars are midengined, including F1 cars. This layout helps acceleration two fold.
First, the balance and weight distribution puts the CG of the car close to the driving wheels and leverages that distribution during weight transfer under acceleration. Basically, when you accelerate in a midengined car, the weight transfer of the car pushes down the drive wheels, giving more traction when you need it.
Second, the NSX's implementation of the midengine layout does not suffer from a differential/directional change loss. For nearly all RWD cars, the engine torque output must go through a perpendicular change in direction. This transfer saps a couple percentage points worth of power. Also, the long driveshafts of most RWD cars add rotational inertia and loss to the powertrain. The NSX engine is transversely mounted, there is no such directional loss and it gets more power to the ground.
Another thing, the NSX is built almost entirely out of aluminum. It's fairly light and weighs under 3200 lbs.
cliff notes:
NSX haters, STFU
First, the balance and weight distribution puts the CG of the car close to the driving wheels and leverages that distribution during weight transfer under acceleration. Basically, when you accelerate in a midengined car, the weight transfer of the car pushes down the drive wheels, giving more traction when you need it.
Second, the NSX's implementation of the midengine layout does not suffer from a differential/directional change loss. For nearly all RWD cars, the engine torque output must go through a perpendicular change in direction. This transfer saps a couple percentage points worth of power. Also, the long driveshafts of most RWD cars add rotational inertia and loss to the powertrain. The NSX engine is transversely mounted, there is no such directional loss and it gets more power to the ground.
Another thing, the NSX is built almost entirely out of aluminum. It's fairly light and weighs under 3200 lbs.
cliff notes:
NSX haters, STFU
Originally posted by: OS
The NSX is actually faster than the "only" 290 HP rating would suggest. The NSX has a midengined layout. Almost all ground up, purpose built race cars are midengined, including F1 cars. This layout helps acceleration two fold.
First, the balance and weight distribution puts the CG of the car close to the driving wheels and leverages that distribution during weight transfer under acceleration. Basically, when you accelerate in a midengined car, the weight transfer of the car pushes down the drive wheels, giving more traction when you need it.
Second, the NSX's implementation of the midengine layout does not suffer from a differential/directional change loss. For nearly all RWD cars, the engine torque output must go through a perpendicular change in direction. This transfer saps a couple percentage points worth of power. Also, the long driveshafts of most RWD cars add rotational inertia and loss to the powertrain. The NSX engine is transversely mounted, there is no such directional loss and it gets more power to the ground.
Another thing, the NSX is built almost entirely out of aluminum. It's fairly light and weighs under 3200 lbs.
cliff notes:
NSX haters, STFU
2002 STOCK NSX-R IN Japan is 2800lbs
0-60 around 4.4sec. Oh yea, this is with the 280hp engine.
Not too shabby if you ask me.
AgaBoogaBoo
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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: OS
The NSX is actually faster than the "only" 290 HP rating would suggest. The NSX has a midengined layout. Almost all ground up, purpose built race cars are midengined, including F1 cars. This layout helps acceleration two fold.
First, the balance and weight distribution puts the CG of the car close to the driving wheels and leverages that distribution during weight transfer under acceleration. Basically, when you accelerate in a midengined car, the weight transfer of the car pushes down the drive wheels, giving more traction when you need it.
Second, the NSX's implementation of the midengine layout does not suffer from a differential/directional change loss. For nearly all RWD cars, the engine torque output must go through a perpendicular change in direction. This transfer saps a couple percentage points worth of power. Also, the long driveshafts of most RWD cars add rotational inertia and loss to the powertrain. The NSX engine is transversely mounted, there is no such directional loss and it gets more power to the ground.
Another thing, the NSX is built almost entirely out of aluminum. It's fairly light and weighs under 3200 lbs.
cliff notes:
NSX haters, STFU
2002 STOCK NSX-R IN Japan is 2800lbs
Oh yea, this is with the 280hp engine.
Not too shabby if you ask me.
Yeah not too shabby when you see it harassing a Murcielago and giving it a hard time... lol...
I can't imagine honda still think 300hp is a LOT. The NSX should have 400hp(or higher). My gosh 300hp is nothing, an Altima has around 270hp already. Even with a 3.8L V6(or 3.5L) it won't be easy sailing. Honda is surely milking the V6, perhaps as a hold out from having to bury more costs with a V8, V10.
The NSX would have to be around 2200-2300lbs to have the same power/weight ratio as a 360 if it has 300hp... too many people only look at the power rating. Being that... 2200lbs is almost unbelievable. i want to see how they pull this off.
Hmmm, lots of NSX haters it seems in here.
First- he was clearly referring to the requirement that the next NSX will need to beat Ferrari- sounds like a perfectly reasonable goal to me, yet he's being slammed for it. Should he be saying that Honda is targeting Kia?
Secondly- there is no question the NSX is quite long in the tooth and overpriced, but it is still a fantastic car to drive and should be given due credit for pushing Porsche and Ferrari to up their game in the 90s.
Third- yes the HSC press packets say a 3.5L V6 making "in excess of 300hp", but anyone who doesn't believe that's incredibly conservative is kidding themselves. The current 3.2L V6 based upon late 1980's technology pushes 290hp. At worst case, a modern 3.5L V6 for the HSC will be around 350hp.
However, no one has any idea what the powerplant of the new NSX will be- it can be anything from a 3.5L V6, V8, V10 or even have IMA thrown in. It is interesting that the additional width of the HSC engine bay over the current NSX is exactly what's necessary to fit a V8.
Though with the current outrageous hp coming out from seemingly every manufactuer, Honda supposedly has revised their requirements for the HSC again.
In the end though, anyone who doubts Honda's prowess in designing superb engines is an idiot.
Here's hoping for a F1 inspired small displacement V10 in the HSC.
First- he was clearly referring to the requirement that the next NSX will need to beat Ferrari- sounds like a perfectly reasonable goal to me, yet he's being slammed for it. Should he be saying that Honda is targeting Kia?
Secondly- there is no question the NSX is quite long in the tooth and overpriced, but it is still a fantastic car to drive and should be given due credit for pushing Porsche and Ferrari to up their game in the 90s.
Third- yes the HSC press packets say a 3.5L V6 making "in excess of 300hp", but anyone who doesn't believe that's incredibly conservative is kidding themselves. The current 3.2L V6 based upon late 1980's technology pushes 290hp. At worst case, a modern 3.5L V6 for the HSC will be around 350hp.
However, no one has any idea what the powerplant of the new NSX will be- it can be anything from a 3.5L V6, V8, V10 or even have IMA thrown in. It is interesting that the additional width of the HSC engine bay over the current NSX is exactly what's necessary to fit a V8.
Though with the current outrageous hp coming out from seemingly every manufactuer, Honda supposedly has revised their requirements for the HSC again.
In the end though, anyone who doubts Honda's prowess in designing superb engines is an idiot.
Here's hoping for a F1 inspired small displacement V10 in the HSC.
Siddhartha
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Siddhartha
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Nope. They could be the best driving car in the world too, but I still wouldn't want it. It's an image thing sorta.... Cars come from Europe, TVs come from Japan. I'll buy a Honda when they come out with a widescreen.
Are you driving an Acura now?
Nebor
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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: Nebor
Nope. They could be the best driving car in the world too, but I still wouldn't want it. It's an image thing sorta.... Cars come from Europe, TVs come from Japan. I'll buy a Honda when they come out with a widescreen.
Are you driving an Acura now?
Not presently. I'm sitting at my computer.
alkemyst
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Keep in mind that in Japan there is a HP cap for cars to be sold with. Most of the things like Skylines, NSX are only limited to the 280HP/290HP due to chip detuning. Swap out the chip with what was intended and you have a different beast on your hands. Now arguably we are not talking a 'stock' car then...but the potential is there and by design the reason.
Å
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: Nebor
Nope. They could be the best driving car in the world too, but I still wouldn't want it. It's an image thing sorta.... Cars come from Europe, TVs come from Japan. I'll buy a Honda when they come out with a widescreen.
Are you driving an Acura now?
Not presently. I'm sitting at my computer.
LMAO! :beer:
NSX-R came out in 2002 I believe. not too sure about the NSX-S.
Sure you can buy them in Japan, and you can import them over to the US.
Your article said that the CEO of Honda said that the NSX will beat Ferrari or whatever, and it's not impossible for NSX to come out on top.
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Why are these super fast NSXs not realeased anywhere else in the world? I mean, anywhere but in Japan, people harp on the NSX for being weak and overpriced. Why doesn't Honda release some Type R's in Europe or the US? Maybe they have, but I've never seen one get written about or noticed. I think the only place I've ever seen a Type R or S was on some Best Motoring videos, again, only in Japan.
They do have the Type R in Europe, only the US gets the short end of the stick.
We don't get 1/2 the stuff that's produced in japan.
Seems like everybody is talking horsepower. It's the NSX's "lack" of horsepower and outrageous price tag that killed sales here in th US.
Fortunately there's more to a car than horsepower. It was and still is one of the best handling sports cars on the planet.
It has been known to blow off certain Ferraris around a road course.
Fortunately there's more to a car than horsepower. It was and still is one of the best handling sports cars on the planet.
It has been known to blow off certain Ferraris around a road course.
alkemyst
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People are seriously clueless if they think Ferrari is the 'best' for anything but speed.
The whole design of the NSX was to bring honda reliablity to super cars.
Most of the earlier ferraris were plagued with quality control, forget lamborghini as well even currently quality control is dismal.
You are paying for exclusivity with the marques of Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, Bently/Rolls, etc....not buying reliability.
Å
The whole design of the NSX was to bring honda reliablity to super cars.
Most of the earlier ferraris were plagued with quality control, forget lamborghini as well even currently quality control is dismal.
You are paying for exclusivity with the marques of Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, Bently/Rolls, etc....not buying reliability.
Å
Thats because people here only look at horsepower ratings...0-60 times and 1/4 times. What you cant see on paper doesnt really matter. Road racing isnt even popular here... people cant drive... people have no driving etiquettes... who the hell cares about driving dynamics when people only want to go fast in a straight line... plus this is the country of badge snobs. A $90,000 Honda just isnt going to work... so there is simply no market for the more expensive NSX-R. And its a stripped car with racing seats... the people who can afford it... want fat leather seats that are electronically heated. The steering has to be heavily power-assisted... and so much sound deadening that you wont be able to hear if you ran over little kids.
NFS4
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Why would I buy an overpriced $90,000+ Acura NSX, when I could get a $45,000 400 HP C6 Vette that would probably smoke it anyway?
Hell, the NSX is more expensive than a friggin' Porsche 911 Carrera 2 ($75,000 optioned nicely) or Carrera 4s ($89,000 optioned nicely.). What the *&@# is Honda smoking?
Unless Honda can make the NSX have 350+ HP, trim 300 lbs, and drop $30,000 off the price tag, I'd tell them to stay the %&*# home.
Hell, the NSX is more expensive than a friggin' Porsche 911 Carrera 2 ($75,000 optioned nicely) or Carrera 4s ($89,000 optioned nicely.). What the *&@# is Honda smoking?
Unless Honda can make the NSX have 350+ HP, trim 300 lbs, and drop $30,000 off the price tag, I'd tell them to stay the %&*# home.
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