Honda/Acura puts 3 cars in C&D top ten

[geno]

Originally posted by: Millennium
HAHAHA S2000 HAHAHA. That's funny. Sure that wasn't 10 most wussy and overrated cars ever?

overrated? Name me another tossable compact roadster with 240HP 😕 The thing runs with a Boxster for at least 10k less, how's can you overrate that?

 

[kitkit201]

really bugs me that ford's focus is on there again! i been hearing from mechanics that it has a huge buttlods of problems. the Mazda 3 pwns the focus anyday! what givs :|

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: kitkit201
really bugs me that ford's focus is on there again! i been hearing from mechanics that it has a huge buttlods of problems. the Mazda 3 pwns the focus anyday! what givs :|

Other than the corvette there is nothing else on there domestic, so C&D had to not totally push away the entire US domestic-whore market, and for this reason they threw on a piece of garbage.

 

[CraigRT]

my favorites on the list: (the 10 list, not the nominee list)

corvette
g35
TSX

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I find it odd that in the same magazine, they bash the TL pretty heavily for being FWD and then they don't even mention FWD in the 10Best article when picking the TSX over the IS300 and 325. 😕

The list is OK; I agree that the 3 seems like a better car than the Focus and I would also take the 350Z over the RX-8.

Well, the TSX isn't exactly a competitor for the IS300 and the 325.... the TSX is either $26.5K or $28.5K MSRP (w or w/o navigation)..... whereas the MSRP on both the IS300 and 325i are well over $30K with all the same options (on the MSRP). A more appropriate competitor is the Lexus ES300--although, they have completely different purposes. For someone who wants a decent fun-to-drive factor and all the options under the sun (and wants something a little more distinctive than the American see-it-everywhere Accord), the TSX is a good choice.

The TL, on the other hand, is a similar price to the 325 and IS300--and should be blasted for being FWD. Its $32K+. I'm not saying its a bad car... but at that price, i would expect RWD (especially competing, more realistically, with the G35 sedan).

Also... to a lot of nay-sayers.... remember how the Top10 nominees are calculated. They either have to be a previous WINNER (i.e. the Accord, Focus) or a new introduction. So the Camry and Civic are immediately removed from the list (to compete with the Accord and Focus). Why the Mazda3 isn't there, I have no idea. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the list--but you do have to consider the rules.

 

[StageLeft]

It is FWD, but it's also faster than an IS300 or a 325 by a HUGE margin, FWD or not. And it's larger. I'd take a TL over either of those in a heart beat.

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is FWD, but it's also faster than an IS300 or a 325 by a HUGE margin, FWD or not. And it's larger. I'd take a TL over either of those in a heart beat.

Skoorb... I would personally take one over a 325 or a IS300... simply on size/feature content (look at how little stuff comes on a $32K 325). But it becomes a much more realistic comparison with a Nissan G35--similar size, similar power, similar price. 🙂 Not that the TL would be a bad car--I certainly wouldn't sell it if it was given to me. My parents would love it.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
NFS4 would never post this!! 😀

Not V8?? Acura without RWD?? No Toyotas?..

toyotas suck

So what DOESN'T suck IYHO?

hondas 😛

ok maybe toyotas dont suck. they make reliable engines. but only if they made their cars look better! the SC is a travesty. the solara makes me cry. and i (along with many others i know) arent too fond of the way the camry/ES looks. IS and GS are the only toyotas that looks nice. for some reason, all the toyotas looks like the car is too big for the wheels and vice versa.

now...nissans...they DONT suck at all. powerful cars with good looks. and i heard they are pretty reliable too.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It is FWD, but it's also faster than an IS300 or a 325 by a HUGE margin, FWD or not. And it's larger. I'd take a TL over either of those in a heart beat.

Skoorb... I would personally take one over a 325 or a IS300... simply on size/feature content (look at how little stuff comes on a $32K 325). But it becomes a much more realistic comparison with a Nissan G35--similar size, similar power, similar price. 🙂 Not that the TL would be a bad car--I certainly wouldn't sell it if it was given to me. My parents would love it.

I'd probably take a g35 as well, although the g35 sedan is really a very bland car. The G35C, well it makes me hot under the collar to say the least.

now...nissans...they DONT suck at all. powerful cars with good looks. and i heard they are pretty reliable too.

Amen, brutha!

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I find it odd that in the same magazine, they bash the TL pretty heavily for being FWD and then they don't even mention FWD in the 10Best article when picking the TSX over the IS300 and 325. 😕

The list is OK; I agree that the 3 seems like a better car than the Focus and I would also take the 350Z over the RX-8.

Well, the TSX isn't exactly a competitor for the IS300 and the 325.... the TSX is either $26.5K or $28.5K MSRP (w or w/o navigation)..... whereas the MSRP on both the IS300 and 325i are well over $30K with all the same options (on the MSRP). A more appropriate competitor is the Lexus ES300--although, they have completely different purposes. For someone who wants a decent fun-to-drive factor and all the options under the sun (and wants something a little more distinctive than the American see-it-everywhere Accord), the TSX is a good choice.

I just thought that it was odd that in the actual TSX section of the 10Best article, C&D specifically mentions the IS300 and 325 as competitors but that they prefer the TSX, whereas in the TL review they say they would be "hard-pressed" to recommend it over the G35 or 330 due to the TL's lack of RWD.

Granted, the TSX is not as powerful as the TL so torque steer is likely less of an issue, but why weren't they "hard-pressed" to recommend the TSX over the RWD IS300? Just seems like there is some hypocrisy there.

 

[HokieESM]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I just thought that it was odd that in the actual TSX section of the 10Best article, C&D specifically mentions the IS300 and 325 as competitors but that they prefer the TSX, whereas in the TL review they say they would be "hard-pressed" to recommend it over the G35 or 330 due to the TL's lack of RWD.

Granted, the TSX is not as powerful as the TL so torque steer is likely less of an issue, but why weren't they "hard-pressed" to recommend the TSX over the RWD IS300? Just seems like there is some hypocrisy there.

oh, i'm not saying i "agree" with C&D--there's a reason I let my suscripton lapse. 🙂 C&D seems to have a lot of opinion difference on their staff--so you have to pay CLOSE attention to who writes an article. Brock Yates' opinion is going to be a LOT different than Barry Winfield (who's British) or John Phillips.

My whole point is that the $5K or $6K difference in a loaded IS300 and the stock-loaded TSX might make a big difference in the choice. Size/layout wise, they're competitors.... but they're fundamentally different (the IS300//325 are actually significantly smaller--try to get in the backseat if your 6+ feet) in their intent. For a person looking at a ~$26K car (like myself), the IS300 just isn't an option--they really start at $30K or so--but the TSX definitely is (i don't need navigation... I can read a map).

And don't get me started on the BMW 325i.... I had no idea how stripped the "base" models are--and how much they gouge for options. Not to mention the dealer's attitude.... grrr.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: HokieESM

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I just thought that it was odd that in the actual TSX section of the 10Best article, C&D specifically mentions the IS300 and 325 as competitors but that they prefer the TSX, whereas in the TL review they say they would be "hard-pressed" to recommend it over the G35 or 330 due to the TL's lack of RWD.

Granted, the TSX is not as powerful as the TL so torque steer is likely less of an issue, but why weren't they "hard-pressed" to recommend the TSX over the RWD IS300? Just seems like there is some hypocrisy there.

oh, i'm not saying i "agree" with C&D--there's a reason I let my suscripton lapse. 🙂 C&D seems to have a lot of opinion difference on their staff--so you have to pay CLOSE attention to who writes an article. Brock Yates' opinion is going to be a LOT different than Barry Winfield (who's British) or John Phillips.

My whole point is that the $5K or $6K difference in a loaded IS300 and the stock-loaded TSX might make a big difference in the choice. Size/layout wise, they're competitors.... but they're fundamentally different (the IS300//325 are actually significantly smaller--try to get in the backseat if your 6+ feet) in their intent. For a person looking at a ~$26K car (like myself), the IS300 just isn't an option--they really start at $30K or so--but the TSX definitely is (i don't need navigation... I can read a map).

And don't get me started on the BMW 325i.... I had no idea how stripped the "base" models are--and how much they gouge for options. Not to mention the dealer's attitude.... grrr.

Oh, I agree that the TSX is a great car and certainly worthy of the list. FWD's not ideal but other than that the quality and value of the TSX is tough to beat.

I was just pointing out that C&D was talking out of both sides of their mouth. 🙂

 

[StageLeft]

And don't get me started on the BMW 325i.... I had no idea how stripped the "base" models are--and how much they gouge for options. Not to mention the dealer's attitude.... grrr.

Agreed. For ~$27k you get an empty, dog slow POS.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Millennium
HAHAHA S2000 HAHAHA. That's funny. Sure that wasn't 10 most wussy and overrated cars ever?

overrated? Name me another tossable compact roadster with 240HP 😕 The thing runs with a Boxster for at least 10k less, how's can you overrate that?

It has no torque.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: RMSistight
S2000 is a really good car. It handles really well too. Sure, it's only 4 cylinders and 240hp, but just think of it this way, the hp is 240 because Honda wants it to continue to be an LEV. NOW, if they removed that LEV BS, I'm sure they can produce a 300hp 4 cylinder. Also, name me any sports car out there that is considered a low emission vehicle?

WTF would anyone with a Sports Car care about emissions, and then why would anyone want a 4 cylinder sports car? 😕

ummm...most sport cars are four cylinders.

Triumphs, MGs, Alfas, Lotus, etc...all 4-cylinders.

And none of those manufacturers sell that many cars. A majority of their cars are sitting in someone's garage being restored. Secondly, you are talking about cars that have a low-weight, whereas a Honda or a Toyota does not.

 

[StageLeft]

Triumphs, MGs, Alfas, Lotus, etc...all 4-cylinders

hehe, not a single one of those is available in the US except in pathetically small numbers. The upcoming Lotus will definitely qualify though.

Still, real hardcore sports cars are all 6 cylinder or more in the vast majority of cases. The maxima comes to mind first 😀

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

And don't get me started on the BMW 325i.... I had no idea how stripped the "base" models are--and how much they gouge for options. Not to mention the dealer's attitude.... grrr.

Agreed. For ~$27k you get an empty, dog slow POS.

Skoorb, get over it. You drove the auto not the stick. The stick does 0-60 around 7.1 secs. Coupled with its steering, it would run rings around your Max.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Doggiedog

Originally posted by: Skoorb

And don't get me started on the BMW 325i.... I had no idea how stripped the "base" models are--and how much they gouge for options. Not to mention the dealer's attitude.... grrr.

Agreed. For ~$27k you get an empty, dog slow POS.

Skoorb, get over it. You drove the auto not the stick. The stick does 0-60 around 7.1 secs. Coupled with its steering, it would run rings around your Max.

For a 325 to run rings around a Max, it'd have to be able catch up first. 😀

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Millennium
HAHAHA S2000 HAHAHA. That's funny. Sure that wasn't 10 most wussy and overrated cars ever?

overrated? Name me another tossable compact roadster with 240HP 😕 The thing runs with a Boxster for at least 10k less, how's can you overrate that?

It has no torque.

yes it has no low end torque.. but that is a race car... u got to keep the RPM high.. if u do thats a BLAST!

the s2000 are specially engineered... the people who work on the car needs to go through some sort of training first... so only the creme de la creme of the honda engineers actually get to work on the s2000 (and also on the NSX)

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: RMSistight
S2000 is a really good car. It handles really well too. Sure, it's only 4 cylinders and 240hp, but just think of it this way, the hp is 240 because Honda wants it to continue to be an LEV. NOW, if they removed that LEV BS, I'm sure they can produce a 300hp 4 cylinder. Also, name me any sports car out there that is considered a low emission vehicle?

WTF would anyone with a Sports Car care about emissions, and then why would anyone want a 4 cylinder sports car? 😕

ummm...most sport cars are four cylinders.

Triumphs, MGs, Alfas, Lotus, etc...all 4-cylinders.

And none of those manufacturers sell that many cars. A majority of their cars are sitting in someone's garage being restored. Secondly, you are talking about cars that have a low-weight, whereas a Honda or a Toyota does not.

Ok bad example.

STill, I consider the S2000 to be one hell of a sportscar. It's like a bigger Miata. Which is also a sports car.

No frills car.