Homosexuality, Wrong or Right? No flaming!

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I actually know quite a few gay/lesbian's & consider many of them to be friends, but I'm entitled to have my opinion, they are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.

While I'm trying to get banned, I find a large percentage of gay/lesbian's to be a serious pain, they're loud, pushy and have managed to make a sexually transmitted disease that's only persisted because of continued high-risk behaviors a political mess.

Bad news (I assume you're referring to HIV). The majority of the cases these days in the world are transmitted via heterosexual contact. There's this continent....called Africa...do some reading on the AIDS epidemic there. Makes cases here in the US look a pittance in comparison.

I was talking about the US, but the high-risk behaviors among hetrosexuals have made HIV an epidemic in Africa, and it's a different set of rules there...

I actually have an enormous amount of respect for the gay community because of the way they dealt with HIV.

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I actually know quite a few gay/lesbian's & consider many of them to be friends, but I'm entitled to have my opinion, they are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.

While I'm trying to get banned, I find a large percentage of gay/lesbian's to be a serious pain, they're loud, pushy and have managed to make a sexually transmitted disease that's only persisted because of continued high-risk behaviors a political mess.

Bad news (I assume you're referring to HIV). The majority of the cases these days in the world are transmitted via heterosexual contact. There's this continent....called Africa...do some reading on the AIDS epidemic there. Makes cases here in the US look a pittance in comparison.

I was talking about the US, but the high-risk behaviors among hetrosexuals have made HIV an epidemic in Africa, and it's a different set of rules there...

Aren't most of the new AIDS cases today in the US transmitted through the sharing of drug needles?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I actually know quite a few gay/lesbian's & consider many of them to be friends, but I'm entitled to have my opinion, they are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.

While I'm trying to get banned, I find a large percentage of gay/lesbian's to be a serious pain, they're loud, pushy and have managed to make a sexually transmitted disease that's only persisted because of continued high-risk behaviors a political mess.

Bad news (I assume you're referring to HIV). The majority of the cases these days in the world are transmitted via heterosexual contact. There's this continent....called Africa...do some reading on the AIDS epidemic there. Makes cases here in the US look a pittance in comparison.

I was talking about the US, but the high-risk behaviors among hetrosexuals have made HIV an epidemic in Africa, and it's a different set of rules there...

Different set of rules to an extent, but mostly a serious amount of misinformation, lack of funding, and governmental apathy. Too many dictators too concerned with amassing personal wealth to give sh*t if their people are dropping like flies.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. Of newly infected men, approximately 50 percent are black, 30 percent are white, 20 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups



Per the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/National Institute of Health

And of course I've talked with my sister, she is my sister...

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I actually know quite a few gay/lesbian's & consider many of them to be friends, but I'm entitled to have my opinion, they are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.

While I'm trying to get banned, I find a large percentage of gay/lesbian's to be a serious pain, they're loud, pushy and have managed to make a sexually transmitted disease that's only persisted because of continued high-risk behaviors a political mess.

Bad news (I assume you're referring to HIV). The majority of the cases these days in the world are transmitted via heterosexual contact. There's this continent....called Africa...do some reading on the AIDS epidemic there. Makes cases here in the US look a pittance in comparison.

I was talking about the US, but the high-risk behaviors among hetrosexuals have made HIV an epidemic in Africa, and it's a different set of rules there...

Aren't most of the new AIDS cases today in the US transmitted through the sharing of drug needles?

According to the most recent CDC data I could find, it breaks down like this (these are new infections):

Homosexual men: 42%
Heterosexual men/women: 33%
IV drug users: 25%

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. Of newly infected men, approximately 50 percent are black, 30 percent are white, 20 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups



Per the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/National Institute of Health

Ah, I see I'm wrong. Well, I'm not planning on becoming gay, so I should be fine. Besides, I've got to get laid first...

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. Of newly infected men, approximately 50 percent are black, 30 percent are white, 20 percent are Hispanic, and a small percentage are members of other racial/ethnic groups



Per the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases/National Institute of Health

And of course I've talked with my sister, she is my sister...

Okay, so what was the genesis of the "control freak" thing? I'm curious.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I also work with HIV infected folks in my ER, I saw my first HIV related death @ work in 87', he died while I was feeding him breakfast, I was the person who called his family to tell them he died...

 

[Pliablemoose]

Okay, so what was the genesis of the "control freak" thing? I'm curious.

It's something I don't have any empirical data on, it's just something I think I've noticed, particularly in the dominant partner...

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I also work with HIV infected folks in my ER, I saw my first HIV related death @ work in 87', he died while I was feeding him breakfast, I was the person who called his family to tell them he died...

I work for the CDC (although not in the HIV branch).

Interesting aside: I got a chance to say hello to Harold Jaffe the other day in the cafeteria. He's generally acknowledged as one of the first scientists to identify and study HIV in the US.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Okay, so what was the genesis of the "control freak" thing? I'm curious.

It's something I don't have any empirical data on, it's just something I think I've noticed, particularly in the dominant partner...

Just curious. Generally the story I've heard from my gay friends is that they just always liked other people of their own gender and didn't know why....they just did. As for the dominant partner thing: it is generally true that the two people involved in the relationship will have two distinctly different roles to varying degrees. Interesting, to be sure.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: axiom
I don't think you can really determine if it is right or wrong. How would you do that?

Anyway, I think Homosexuality is fine. If that's your ballgame, then play ball. I'm not going to stand in your way. I do however question the idea that people are born homosexual. I've never been presented with any scientific evidence to prove that people may or may not be born homosexual.

There have been some studies done of identical twins here and there that indicate there is likely some kind of genetic component to homosexuality. It's not considered THE defining factor....rather one factor of likely many.

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: axiom
I don't think you can really determine if it is right or wrong. How would you do that?

Anyway, I think Homosexuality is fine. If that's your ballgame, then play ball. I'm not going to stand in your way. I do however question the idea that people are born homosexual. I've never been presented with any scientific evidence to prove that people may or may not be born homosexual.

There have been some studies done of identical twins here and there that indicate there is likely some kind of genetic component to homosexuality. It's not considered THE defining factor....rather one factor of likely many.

Lesbian twins...wait, what were we talking about again?

 

[Zebo]

It's right if you're gay, wrong if you're a straight homephobe.

Right and wrong, I'll never know, I just go with the crowd so they don't kill me.

 

[ElFenix]

this is like asking if red hair is right or wrong

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: axiom
I don't think you can really determine if it is right or wrong. How would you do that?

Anyway, I think Homosexuality is fine. If that's your ballgame, then play ball. I'm not going to stand in your way. I do however question the idea that people are born homosexual. I've never been presented with any scientific evidence to prove that people may or may not be born homosexual.

There have been some studies done of identical twins here and there that indicate there is likely some kind of genetic component to homosexuality. It's not considered THE defining factor....rather one factor of likely many.

Lesbian twins...wait, what were we talking about again?

i think that was a nelly song

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Dudd

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I actually know quite a few gay/lesbian's & consider many of them to be friends, but I'm entitled to have my opinion, they are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.

While I'm trying to get banned, I find a large percentage of gay/lesbian's to be a serious pain, they're loud, pushy and have managed to make a sexually transmitted disease that's only persisted because of continued high-risk behaviors a political mess.

Bad news (I assume you're referring to HIV). The majority of the cases these days in the world are transmitted via heterosexual contact. There's this continent....called Africa...do some reading on the AIDS epidemic there. Makes cases here in the US look a pittance in comparison.

I was talking about the US, but the high-risk behaviors among hetrosexuals have made HIV an epidemic in Africa, and it's a different set of rules there...

Aren't most of the new AIDS cases today in the US transmitted through the sharing of drug needles?

According to the most recent CDC data I could find, it breaks down like this (these are new infections):

Homosexual men: 42%
Heterosexual men/women: 33%
IV drug users: 25%

its still an easily preventable diesease, and will be until a strain mutates that is carried by mosquitos.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this is like asking if red hair is right or wrong

Assuming it *is* genetic, that isn't a basis for eliminating qualification. Say we use the words good or bad instead of right or wrong. And say the genetic condition is sickle cell anemia instead. We could probably all agree that's bad. So just because something is genetic wouldn't make it good.

No comment there about the good or bad of homosexuality, just pointing out that your presmise of "it's genetic, therefore it has no qualification" could be false.

 

[GeekDrew]

Generally the story I've heard from my gay friends is that they just always liked other people of their own gender and didn't know why....they just did.

Hit that one right on the head... believe me, I know. I have no idea why I happen to like guys, I simply do. If there was some simple way to change my mind, I'd do it in a heartbeat. You don't know what it's like until you've been in my spot.

Those of you who might be able to talk to me without starting another flame war can feel free to PM me or whatever, or leave messages in this thread.

Andrew
The self-appointed AT Queer

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Only for girls.

- M4H

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: ElFenix
this is like asking if red hair is right or wrong

Assuming it *is* genetic, that isn't a basis for eliminating qualification. Say we use the words good or bad instead of right or wrong. And say the genetic condition is sickle cell anemia instead. We could probably all agree that's bad. So just because something is genetic wouldn't make it good.

No comment there about the good or bad of homosexuality, just pointing out that your presmise of "it's genetic, therefore it has no qualification" could be false.

Good and bad are quite different from right and wrong. A genetic disease is bad, certaintly, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong, or using another word, 'sinful', which is what I think wrong means in this context. If we're going to start classifying genetics as right or wrong, then I guess racism is ok too. Not saying that you are a racist or anything, but just pointing out some flaws in your logic.

 

[Wheatmaster]

Originally posted by: grasshopper26

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Only for girls.

ROTFL!

Yea, two women... cool...

Two men... not cool...

Don't know why, but it just is...

Grasshopper

 

[Gage]

Originally posted by: chizow
Let em do whatever they want, just as long as they don't do it around me .

Chiz

Agreed. I don't want to see 2 guys making out any more than I want to see 2 really fat people making out. It's not that I think its wrong, it's just that that type of things doesn't do anything for me. Now, 2 really hot girls making out in the street, I'd stand there all day.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zap0602

Originally posted by: grasshopper26

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Only for girls.

ROTFL!

Yea, two women... cool...

Two men... not cool...

Don't know why, but it just is...

Grasshopper

There was a saying in the frat I belonged to "girls are two drinks away from being gay" "guys are one cell block away"

<---- does'nt agree but It was funny at the time.

 

[godspeedx]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Ok, well I'd like to hear your opinions on whether its wrong or right. I have a theory myself, that I will tell you later, but first I want to hear what all you think, and why. No flaming guys, lets not get outta hand

Okay, a serious answer then. I believe homosexuality is a sin, not denying that it is a natural impulse of some people. However, I think violence is a natural impulse as well, and so is self-pity, and so are other types of lust. Doesn't mean I think that people who act on their homosexual impulses are any worse than the rest of us, because we all sin, or that they should be in any way abused. God allowed people the freedom to make choices, to sin, and we're in no position to overrule that.

Think I can avoid flames from my opinion? Probably not. And that's why threads like this cause trouble.

Agreed 100%. Homosexuality IS a sin. You don't see any rallys for murderers or violence, claiming that it's ok, and that we should support them.