Ok, I know that most of these posts have been addressed, but I wanted to add my .02 anyway. This is the first time I've seen this thread, and after, painfully at times, reading all 21 pages, I wanted to respond to some of the more outrageous claims/posts that I saw.
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Originally posted by: JS80
Darn those Christians. They only founded America and wrote the Constitution :roll:
Pretty thorough list of founding father's religous affiliations
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Originally posted by: classy
Last time I checked the commandment
"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks."
is not in the bible. But the story of where God himself wiped out Sodom and Gommorah is. If you wanna get churchy, fact is while there is forgiveness, mercy, and grace, there is also Judgement. Before you talk about christianity learn something about it. But then again I have come to the conclusion that learning is clearly not your strong suit.
Is there any concrete or even somewhat concrete proof that this obliteration of a whole city by this name ever took place? Or do you believe that everything that the Bible says is the true word of God and is to be unquestioned?
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Originally posted by: DAGTA
I just searched through the entire Constitution and did a ctrl-f and searched for "separation" and "church" and could find neither.
Amazing, eh? The real 'separation of church and state' is the provisions set in place to make it so that a gov't cannot run a church organization (such as the Catholic church) and vice versa. There is nothing in there about 'religious values' being excluded from gov't.[/quote]
Actually, there is precedence. I'm not sure if you are aware of it, but a decade before the passing of the Bill of Rights, Jefferson wrote the Virginia statute of religious freedom. This statute would later become the basis for all other state's (and the Bill of Right's) religious freedom clauses.
Text of statute
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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Who said anything about expressing homophobic sentiments at school? My point, and many others, is that I don't feel a need to scream to the world, "I'm heterosexual! Hey, look at me! I like women and I'm proud to tell it to everyone!" That's exactly what that poster does. It screams, "You better believe that homosexuality is OK and should be encouraged or you're a bad person!"
Me personally, I don't think that the poster screams that it should be encouraged in any way. I think that it does show that it is obviously a part of society and that all gays aren't your stereotypical "flamers". I think that people are uncomfortable with being told that they are something that is considered to be derogatory, in this case homopobic. But, as others have so eloquently stated, that is your problem and not the gay's.
And just because you don't feel the need to scream that you are considered "normal" by a large segment of society's population, doesn't mean that those that aren't considered to be "normal" have to accept second class citizen status.
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Originally posted by: 6000SUX
I don't want my children being encouraged to be gay. Homosexuality is deviant; I want my children to be normal. It's that simple. When deviant behavior is presented as normal and even desirable, the opposite of correct cultural transmission occurs.
"Normal" is something that is ever changing and evolving constantly. Fourty years ago, you weren't normal if you would eat with a black person. You weren't "normal" eighty years ago if you thought that women were smart enough to actually have a voice in our governing process. And less than 150 years ago, you weren't "normal" if you didn't feel that slavery was something that should not only be accepted, but expanded and fought to the death to protect.
I've got news from you, if a poster, tv show or magazine is going to "encourage" your child enough to perform homosexual or bisexual acts, it wasn't one of these sources that made your child do it. It was your child's own inner desires.
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Originally posted by: Golgatha
The posters are no more appropriate than a male and female in an intimate pose up on the walls of your school.
I think homosexual behavior is a choice. If it is genetic, wouldn't you think this chromosome or whatever would've been weeded out through simple lack of procreation and the progression of time?
You would think that autism and other genetic defects would have been weeded out through a lack of those with it being the primary breeders also. Instead, just the opposite is happening. Rates of autism are exponentially growing.
Originally posted by: bluemax
This isn't propaganda about tolerance, it's PROMOTING homosexuality and trying to convince others it's a great thing. Annnnd the slippery slope worsens and our nation slides deeper into depravity - all in the name of "freedom: screw everyone else, I'll do whatever the hell I want."
How is this poster promoting and claiming that homosexuality is a great thing? It is merely slapping you upside the head with something that you don't want to admit....that you have bigoted thoughts. It's ok. We all do towards something in our lives. Accept it and move on with yours.
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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
when a gay guy hits on me, I feel like throwing up. The site of two guys making out makes me uneasy and feel like i need to apologize to God for even witnessing it. it has an impact on me.
When a gay guy has hit on me in the past, I have felt flattered. Not because I am gay or bi, but because someone actually thought that I was attractive!! I have gone to a couple of gay clubs dancing with girls I have dated because they like the music better there (at least that was the claim at the time) and I have felt kinda pissed when I didn't get hit on. Kinda, "Hey, what's wrong with me"-ish.
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Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Well, it seems people can't have an opinion! I for one, am against homosexuality but not homosexual people. Years ago I found out my best friend was gay. Sure, I was started at first, but then things continued as normal. I may not like his lifestyle choice, but I don't hate the man. Hating the person would make me a bigggot.. I'm also against obese people's lifestyle.
One of the better posts that I found. You can still be prejudiced but not harbor ill feelings towards someone. I, like you, are prejudiced towards a lifestyle of obesity. Doesn't make me correct for being that way and I still try to get to know someone before I truly dislike them....but I'm still bigoted toward their lifestyle.
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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
This is bigoted how?
Would YOU like someone who you aren't in the least bit interested eying YOU or getting off on your nakedness in a situation you have no control over?
I wouldn't! :roll:
Even if it was a WOMAN I wasn't attracted to, I would feel uncomfortable. So if I feel the same way about a MAN eying me, I'm a bigot?
That proves my point about my earlier statement regarding people being too P.C. these days. If I say I'm not comfortable with a unattractive woman eying me or coming on to me, that;s OK, but if I say the same about a Gay man, I'm a bigot.... :shocked:
Ok, quick question for you. Do you believe that any and every woman that you have ever fantasized about finds you, or would find you attractive? If yes, you are completely delusional unless you are Brad Pitt killing time here in between scenes. If no, then you are pretty hypocritical for expressing this thought because you are just as guilty as those that you are condemning.
And yes, you are a bigot. But that is ok as long as you are only bigoted towards what you deem as an unacceptable lifestyle and not go out of your way to intentionally make their life any less joyfull or happy than you would like yours to be.
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Originally posted by: tealk
Bible says it's wrong....So it is.....They and you....everyone, will one day be seated infront of our father and God, and procliam he is God...and you WILL answer for your deeds you have done here on earth. But unfortunately homosexuals and non-beleivers all the same, will be turned away.
That is the truth, and remember this....you WILL live it.
Can you show any evidence that a single person has met this God of your Bible and that he does, in fact exist? Betchya can't.
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Originally posted by: Vic
Call me irrelevant all you want, but when 70% of liberal Oregon's voters vote to ban gay marriage, it's not because they're religious (Oregon, in addition to being very liberal, has the lowest percentage of church attendance in the US), it's a political backlash against a shortsighted agenda. I'm just telling you that you ignore that reality at your own peril, and (much as I might dislike you as a person) I don't want to see that happen to the gay rights cause, which I happen to support.
Since when did religion and the religious get a patent on being bigoted? There are plenty of people in this world who are not religious in any way, shape or form. That doesn't mean that they can't still be bigots.
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Homosexuals run half of hollywood. Might as well get used to it. My only fear is that homosexualism might become a fad. Seriosuly ... with it being forced down our childrens throats (don't think about that sentence to much) I wonder if "straight" people will end up gay.
It's already sad enough that my gaydar doesn't work anymore.
Anyways, I think I say what everyone else is thinking when I say this. I want my gays back in the closet.
Once again, if you perform any homosexual or bisexual acts, it won't be because of anything that you have seen or read. It will be because you have an inner desire to do so. And I don't think that you are going to get your wish about gays returning to the closet any more than a lot of the people I live around in here Mississippi getting their wish that blacks just return to the back of the bus.
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