Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I thought you were better than this. What a disappointment to find out you are just as much of a bigot as the rest of the morons here.
This is bigoted how?
Would YOU like someone who you aren't in the least bit interested eying YOU or getting off on your nakedness in a situation you have no control over?
I wouldn't! :roll:
Even if it was a WOMAN I wasn't attracted to, I would feel uncomfortable. So if I feel the same way about a MAN eying me, I'm a bigot?
That proves my point about my earlier statement regarding people being too P.C. these days. If I say I'm not comfortable with a unattractive woman eying me or coming on to me, that;s OK, but if I say the same about a Gay man, I'm a bigot.... :shocked:
If you think gay people need to be segregated to separate bathrooms, then yes you are a bigot. Not to mention an utter fool. Newsflash, gay men are men - and therefore have every right to be in the men's bathroom or change room or wherever. If you really are so paranoid, then you should go to a gym with individual shower cubicles.
You obviously miss the point!
The point is that everyone should have the right to control who gets their jollies over your nakedness. They have separate locker rooms for men and women for a reason, so women OR men aren't put in a situation where they are uncomfortable while they are in a compromising position. If you are a MAN and feel equally vulnerable having another man eyeballing you then you should have the same rights as a woman would in the same situation. Namely not to feel vulnerable!
But obviously nothing I say will get this point across to YOU! :roll:
If you really believed that "everyone should have the right to control who gets their jollies" over one's nakedness, then why would you suggest placing all gay men in one set of facilities, or all lesbian women in one set of facilities..? Where presumably they would be "vulnerable" to the wandering eyes of others of the same gender who might find them attractive. Essentially what you are saying is that heterosexuals have the right to not be viewed by someone who might find them sexually attractive when changing, but gay people do not have that right. If you were not such a FOOL, you would realize that the obvious solution is individual or private changing/ showering cubicles. However most institutions, authorities, etc. will not be willing to pay the money for that.
BINGO. That WOULD be the obvious solution, but as you pointed out, it's not going to happen.
It appears that you were sexually assaulted. By a man. If it worries you, report it to the police, or get some counseling. However I'm not sure what your being sexually assaulted has to do with the issue of segregating heterosexuals and homosexuals in gymnasium showering and toilet facilities.
I'm interested to know how you would implement your plans for heterosexual/ homosexual segregation in toilet facilities. Would you go with an "honor system" - or would you perhaps get the homosexuals to wear a pink triangle (maybe even tatoo them on the forehead?) so they can be clearly identifed and prevented from entering the "your" change rooms. I also wonder what your policy would be for bisexual men.
You're gay right? Are you proud of being gay? I mean they DO have gay pride parades and such. SO why NOT clearly designate yourself as being gay, think of the benefits. Other gays will know right off that you would be interested in their advances (or not if they don't "Do it for you") while the rest of us would know not to invite you to go hang out at the titty bars with us and such. Seems like a WIN WIN situation to me.
One of the BIG advantages of the system as it was originally set up is that it's REAL easy for a man to recognize a woman as a woman and visa versa, it's not that easy where gays are concerned. Seems there should be a solution to this problem somewhere...
Who LIKE PIE!!!!!????
I love pie. Would you consider Pizza a pie? How about a strudel or fritter? Is that a pie?
I love pie. Would you consider Pizza a pie? How about a strudel or fritter? Is that a pie?
Originally posted by: DaShen
Who LIKE PIE!!!!!????
I love pie. Would you consider Pizza a pie? How about a strudel or fritter? Is that a pie?
Yes, I like PIE.
No, a strudel or fritter is IMO not a pie. Same for Pizza.
OH NO! THIS WILL MAKE KIDS GAY BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPOSED TO PICTURES OF GAY PEOPLE!
No it shouldn't be in schools, I have no idea why the principal allowed promiscuity to be posted on his school walls.
But seriously, science has shown that gay tendencies are 'in the blood', so to speak. Sure, someone can try to choose what they screw, but their natural tendencies will always lead them more towards their sexual preference. And if a more homosexual society brings out more gay tendencies in men (and women) which would have been otherwise suppressed, good! I guarantee a dramatic drop in child molesters.
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face. They have parades with penis floats, and they adopt a promiscuous lifestyle, and that is what a lot of people see, and no wonder they're offended. That would be akin to men getting drunk all the time and cat calling passing women (oh wait, they do that). The thing is, society hasn't accepted them yet. Is it wrong to have negative feelings towards a homosexual? About as wrong as it was in the 1950's to have negative feelings towards a black man.
They'll go the way of the black community, and people will remember the 'ban gay marriage' movement, and people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, and shake their heads in disbelief.
Student: "Why did they hate homosexuals so much?"
Teacher: "Repressed homosexual tendencies in themselves, and a fear of what they may become."
Student: "Well that's stupid. It's a good thing they allowed Bobby Ray in the army, or else [list heroic deed or significant act here]"
Teacher: "Indeed. Now, onto clones, and why they don't belong in society!"
Student: "But..."
In the end, liberals always win out. Because they are the ideaology of progress.
No it shouldn't be in schools, I have no idea why the principal allowed promiscuity to be posted on his school walls.
But seriously, science has shown that gay tendencies are 'in the blood', so to speak. Sure, someone can try to choose what they screw, but their natural tendencies will always lead them more towards their sexual preference. And if a more homosexual society brings out more gay tendencies in men (and women) which would have been otherwise suppressed, good! I guarantee a dramatic drop in child molesters.
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face. They have parades with penis floats, and they adopt a promiscuous lifestyle, and that is what a lot of people see, and no wonder they're offended. That would be akin to men getting drunk all the time and cat calling passing women (oh wait, they do that). The thing is, society hasn't accepted them yet. Is it wrong to have negative feelings towards a homosexual? About as wrong as it was in the 1950's to have negative feelings towards a black man.
They'll go the way of the black community, and people will remember the 'ban gay marriage' movement, and people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, and shake their heads in disbelief.
Student: "Why did they hate homosexuals so much?"
Teacher: "Repressed homosexual tendencies in themselves, and a fear of what they may become."
Student: "Well that's stupid. It's a good thing they allowed Bobby Ray in the army, or else [list heroic deed or significant act here]"
Teacher: "Indeed. Now, onto clones, and why they don't belong in society!"
Student: "But..."
In the end, liberals always win out. Because they are the ideaology of progress.
Originally posted by: Brutuskend
You're gay right? Are you proud of being gay? I mean they DO have gay pride parades and such. SO why NOT clearly designate yourself as being gay, think of the benefits. Other gays will know right off that you would be interested in their advances (or not if they don't "Do it for you") while the rest of us would know not to invite you to go hang out at the titty bars with us and such. Seems like a WIN WIN situation to me.
One of the BIG advantages of the system as it was originally set up is that it's REAL easy for a man to recognize a woman as a woman and visa versa, it's not that easy where gays are concerned. Seems there should be a solution to this problem somewhere...
homosexuals are not required to be a part of gay pride parades.
im straight but that doesnt mean im interested in every females advances. why would being homosexual be any different?
and why would i ignore one of my homosexual buddies or co-workers if i was getting a group together to go out to the titty bar? its not like i lose my s in a titty bar because im looking at naked women. the experience isnt just about nudity. if it was, i wouldnt be there. its about hanging out with your buddies and if one of them is gay...they can still drink and hang out with us.
i understand that the male-female system was really "easy" to begin with. but we've progressed quite far in our development as humans. we dont simply get to look and say "yup, that one!" and there she is. work done. i mean, id still have to talk to and court a woman in some way. being expected to find out if the person is attracted to you is par for the course, regardless of their gender.
the solution is for you to not be such a Moaning Minny.
BTW it's not just heterosexuals who have to "endure" the possibility they might be looked at when naked in the change rooms; have you considered that gay people also face the exact same situation? (i.e., a gay women might be ogled at by another gay women, making her feel uncomfortable; a gay man might be ogled by another gay man, etc.) And yet your idea of a solution is to segregate gay people. I think you are an idiot and a clown. The majority of people understand that it isn't polite to stare, anyway, so I find it difficult to take your concerns seriously. I'm sorry that you were 'molested' by an overly enthusiastic gay man, but it's not the end of the world.
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If everyone was gay, everyone would be dead. Being gay IS wrong/abnormal. Just like being born with two heads is considered abnormal. But since there's no way everyone could be gay, it's up to the straights to accept them, or not.
I don't mind gays, I just don't like to see them doing anything sexual what-so-ever. Makes me feel uneasy. This statement does not apply to attracive lesbians. :thumbsup:
Ever think about at parties, you'd almost never see two guys kissing or anything like that, but two girls gettin down and dirty is fairly common. I find this interesting.
I don't mind gays, I just don't like to see them doing anything sexual what-so-ever. Makes me feel uneasy. This statement does not apply to attracive lesbians. :thumbsup:
Ever think about at parties, you'd almost never see two guys kissing or anything like that, but two girls gettin down and dirty is fairly common. I find this interesting.
I believe the OP is in Canada, but in the United States, we have something about religion in schools - you know, they're not supposed to promote it.
But I'm a heathen atheist, so what do I know? I'm not a member of your club.
Vic
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EatSpam may be tolerant of sexuality but he is not tolerant of belief. It's the most fashionable form of bigotry these days (60 years ago he would have been a racist and a believer in eugenics). That is why he is not capable of believing in choice in sexuality, as he might expose his own doublethinking to himself. His belief is that we are forced to do what we do, so that makes it okay, but we are free to believe what we believe, and that makes that wrong.
Make sense?
Wow, another post where Vic doesn't call me crazy. Good for you, Vic, there's hope for you yet.
And actually, I'm very tolerant of belief, just not tolerant of people pushing their religious beliefs on others or using their religious beliefs to justify oppression. And I'm especially intolerant of religion in politics, as that is more forcing of beliefs on others.
And how do you figure that sexuality is a choice? Did you chose to be straight? gay? I never made a concious choice to prefer women, I simply do. I couldn't "chose" to be gay anymore than I could "chose" to be Japanese. I'm sure some might be able to force themselves to perform sex acts that are contrary to what they like, but why would they do something like that?
What more do they want?
I dont have homophobia, but two man is just not what nature intended
My $0.02
I dont have homophobia, but two man is just not what nature intended
My $0.02
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Someone order a dead horse?
Homosexuality will never be accepted fully in the same way that black people will never be treated equally in the same way women will not be treated equally, etc, etc.
The 'gay rights' movement succeeds only in making things worse for gay people.
There is such a thing as tact and knowing what is appropriate and fighting the right battles, something the gay rights movement has yet to figure out... no really, keep having your drag show parades and your reality TV shows about fashion because that's what most real gay people are like. :roll:
Homosexuality will never be accepted fully in the same way that black people will never be treated equally in the same way women will not be treated equally, etc, etc.
The 'gay rights' movement succeeds only in making things worse for gay people.
There is such a thing as tact and knowing what is appropriate and fighting the right battles, something the gay rights movement has yet to figure out... no really, keep having your drag show parades and your reality TV shows about fashion because that's what most real gay people are like. :roll:
Vic
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And yet, here you are, pushing your own religious beliefs on others, and supporting those who push their beliefs on others as long as those beliefs agree with your own. Oh the irony! That you don't call your beliefs religious doesn't stop them from being what they are.
And in yet another example of false dilemma from you, I did not say whether I believed that homosexuality was a choice or not. I did not expose my views to questioning here (but if you must know, I think it doesn't matter if they are born that way or it is a choice, as I respect both their right to exist and their freedom of choice). I simply explained why you could not believe that homosexuality is a choice, and I wasn't wrong. And excuse me, but the "OMG! who would actually want to fsck hairy asshole unless they were born that way!" is IMO the most homophobic and bigoted argument possible. You're basically saying that homosexuals are lower life forms. I find that view demeaning and disgusting.
Do you ever -- even for one second -- stop to question your beliefs? No. You hold them on faith and affiliation and insist that everyone share them. Just like religious people. "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet."
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