Homosexual Propaganda

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Platypus
Someone order a dead horse?

Homosexuality will never be accepted fully in the same way that black people will never be treated equally in the same way women will not be treated equally, etc, etc.

The 'gay rights' movement succeeds only in making things worse for gay people.

There is such a thing as tact and knowing what is appropriate and fighting the right battles, something the gay rights movement has yet to figure out... no really, keep having your drag show parades and your reality TV shows about fashion because that's what most real gay people are like. :roll:

:heart:

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
But I guess it's better than hanging the 10 Commandments, yes?

Absolutely, no question about it.

Are you implying that the Ten Commandments are worse than that poster?!?

EatSpam may be tolerant of sexuality but he is not tolerant of belief. It's the most fashionable form of bigotry these days (60 years ago he would have been a racist and a believer in eugenics). That is why he is not capable of believing in choice in sexuality, as he might expose his own doublethinking to himself. His belief is that we are forced to do what we do, so that makes it okay, but we are free to believe what we believe, and that makes that wrong.

Make sense?

Wow, another post where Vic doesn't call me crazy. Good for you, Vic, there's hope for you yet.

And actually, I'm very tolerant of belief, just not tolerant of people pushing their religious beliefs on others or using their religious beliefs to justify oppression. And I'm especially intolerant of religion in politics, as that is more forcing of beliefs on others.

And how do you figure that sexuality is a choice? Did you chose to be straight? gay? I never made a concious choice to prefer women, I simply do. I couldn't "chose" to be gay anymore than I could "chose" to be Japanese. I'm sure some might be able to force themselves to perform sex acts that are contrary to what they like, but why would they do something like that?

And yet, here you are, pushing your own religious beliefs on others, and supporting those who push their beliefs on others as long as those beliefs agree with your own. Oh the irony! That you don't call your beliefs religious doesn't stop them from being what they are.

Oh, here we go again, the atheism as religion argument. Tell me, what super being do I believe in and worship? I might have my own unique set of morals, but I can assure you, they are not religious in nature.

And in yet another example of false dilemma from you, I did not say whether I believed that homosexuality was a choice or not. I did not expose my views to questioning here (but if you must know, I think it doesn't matter if they are born that way or it is a choice, as I respect both their right to exist and their freedom of choice). I simply explained why you could not believe that homosexuality is a choice, and I wasn't wrong. And excuse me, but the "OMG! who would actually want to fsck hairy asshole unless they were born that way!" is IMO the most homophobic and bigoted argument possible. You're basically saying that homosexuals are lower life forms. I find that view demeaning and disgusting.

Uh, where did I ever say anything remotely like that? You read way too much into things and let your own prejudices and assumptions show through.

Do you ever -- even for one second -- stop to question your beliefs? No. You hold them on faith and affiliation and insist that everyone share them. Just like religious people. "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet."

And I always question my beliefs. For example, a few years ago, I would have told you that gay folks shouldn't be allowed to adopted children. Changed my mind on that. In 2000, I was a diehard Republican. Changed my mind on that one, too. I also used to be a Christian and was raised in a religious household. Changed my mind on that. Who knows... I might change my mind again and join your Free Market religion, but don't hold your breath.

When are you going to get off your high horse and stop presuming to know everything about everyone?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
But I guess it's better than hanging the 10 Commandments, yes?

Absolutely, no question about it.

Are you implying that the Ten Commandments are worse than that poster?!?

EatSpam may be tolerant of sexuality but he is not tolerant of belief. It's the most fashionable form of bigotry these days (60 years ago he would have been a racist and a believer in eugenics). That is why he is not capable of believing in choice in sexuality, as he might expose his own doublethinking to himself. His belief is that we are forced to do what we do, so that makes it okay, but we are free to believe what we believe, and that makes that wrong.

Make sense?

Wow, another post where Vic doesn't call me crazy. Good for you, Vic, there's hope for you yet.

And actually, I'm very tolerant of belief, just not tolerant of people pushing their religious beliefs on others or using their religious beliefs to justify oppression. And I'm especially intolerant of religion in politics, as that is more forcing of beliefs on others.

And how do you figure that sexuality is a choice? Did you chose to be straight? gay? I never made a concious choice to prefer women, I simply do. I couldn't "chose" to be gay anymore than I could "chose" to be Japanese. I'm sure some might be able to force themselves to perform sex acts that are contrary to what they like, but why would they do something like that?

And yet, here you are, pushing your own religious beliefs on others, and supporting those who push their beliefs on others as long as those beliefs agree with your own. Oh the irony! That you don't call your beliefs religious doesn't stop them from being what they are.

Oh, here we go again, the atheism as religion argument. Tell me, what super being do I believe in and worship? I might have my own unique set of morals, but I can assure you, they are not religious in nature.

And in yet another example of false dilemma from you, I did not say whether I believed that homosexuality was a choice or not. I did not expose my views to questioning here (but if you must know, I think it doesn't matter if they are born that way or it is a choice, as I respect both their right to exist and their freedom of choice). I simply explained why you could not believe that homosexuality is a choice, and I wasn't wrong. And excuse me, but the "OMG! who would actually want to fsck hairy asshole unless they were born that way!" is IMO the most homophobic and bigoted argument possible. You're basically saying that homosexuals are lower life forms. I find that view demeaning and disgusting.

Uh, where did I ever say anything remotely like that? You read way too much into things and let your own prejudices and assumptions show through.

Do you ever -- even for one second -- stop to question your beliefs? No. You hold them on faith and affiliation and insist that everyone share them. Just like religious people. "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet."

And I always question my beliefs. For example, a few years ago, I would have told you that gay folks shouldn't be allowed to adopted children. Changed my mind on that. In 2000, I was a diehard Republican. Changed my mind on that one, too. I also used to be a Christian and was raised in a religious household. Changed my mind on that. Who knows... I might change my mind again and join your Free Market religion, but don't hold your breath.

When are you going to get off your high horse and stop presuming to know everything about everyone?

I'm not surprised actually. You just gone from one zealotry to another. Kind of like how recovered drug addicts tend to become the most hardcore of fundie christians.

As to my "free market religion," it's not. Free markets exist no matter what. It's not a religion, but an observation of reality. The only think anti-free market nuts can do is make life harder for everyone by inflicting force and violence to get their way. It's kind of like that slogan from the Army regarding discipline: "The Army can't actually make you do anything, but it can sure make you wish you had." All power works that way. It's an illusion of selfish people to try and force people into wishing they lived according to your worldview.

 

[tealk]

Bible says it's wrong....So it is.....They and you....everyone, will one day be seated infront of our father and God, and procliam he is God...and you WILL answer for your deeds you have done here on earth. But unfortunately homosexuals and non-beleivers all the same, will be turned away.

That is the truth, and remember this....you WILL live it.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

You're gay right? Are you proud of being gay? I mean they DO have gay pride parades and such. SO why NOT clearly designate yourself as being gay, think of the benefits. Other gays will know right off that you would be interested in their advances (or not if they don't "Do it for you") while the rest of us would know not to invite you to go hang out at the titty bars with us and such. Seems like a WIN WIN situation to me.
One of the BIG advantages of the system as it was originally set up is that it's REAL easy for a man to recognize a woman as a woman and visa versa, it's not that easy where gays are concerned. Seems there should be a solution to this problem somewhere...

homosexuals are not required to be a part of gay pride parades.
im straight but that doesnt mean im interested in every females advances. why would being homosexual be any different?
and why would i ignore one of my homosexual buddies or co-workers if i was getting a group together to go out to the titty bar? its not like i lose my s in a titty bar because im looking at naked women. the experience isnt just about nudity. if it was, i wouldnt be there. its about hanging out with your buddies and if one of them is gay...they can still drink and hang out with us.
i understand that the male-female system was really "easy" to begin with. but we've progressed quite far in our development as humans. we dont simply get to look and say "yup, that one!" and there she is. work done. i mean, id still have to talk to and court a woman in some way. being expected to find out if the person is attracted to you is par for the course, regardless of their gender.

Actually I said the thing about titty bars after deciding it was maybe a bit more diplomatic than saying something about dropping the soap in the shower...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: tealk
Bible says it's wrong....So it is.....They and you....everyone, will one day be seated infront of our father and God, and procliam he is God...and you WILL answer for your deeds you have done here on earth. But unfortunately homosexuals and non-beleivers all the same, will be turned away.

That is the truth, and remember this....you WILL live it.

Actually, the Bible doesn't say that. What is does say is Mark 3:28-29:
28 "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them.
29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

What the Bible does say is that, by the grace of God, it is possible that all men can be forgiven all their sins, for all sins are equal, and everyone is guilty of sin.

So yeah, thanks for the hypocrisy. For some reason, I always find it darkly amusing when people who claim to be faithful to God seek to usurp the power of His judgment for their own person glory.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face.

It's not a problem, it's part of the solution. There would be no gay rights at all, if it wasn't for the "loud minority". If there is a problem, it lies with people such as yourself taking personal offence at the segment of gay people who dress, speak and behave in a manner that is different from the heterosexual mainstream.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Aisengard
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face.

It's not a problem, it's part of the solution. There would be no gay rights at all, if it wasn't for the "loud minority". If there is a problem, it lies with people such as yourself taking personal offence at the segment of gay people who dress, speak and behave in a manner that is different from the heterosexual mainstream.

That has nothing to do with being homosexual. There are many different types of non-conformists regardless of gender and sexuality. Your argument here might have merit IF you were fighting for their rights too, but you're not. That's my biggest gripe with the gay rights agenda. It has all the potential to lead the way into the widest possible scope of personal freedoms and civil liberties (after all, what right does the government have in anyone's bedroom?). But instead it has pigeonholed itself into pretending that their fight is a race war instead of the defense of freedoms for all. At the cost, I might add, of everyone's freedoms.
There's a lot of people who would have liked to have worked a lot harder for you if you have been so insistent that every heterosexual male was against you (how many vacations have you received for making bigoted comments against straights?).

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Aisengard
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face.

It's not a problem, it's part of the solution. There would be no gay rights at all, if it wasn't for the "loud minority". If there is a problem, it lies with people such as yourself taking personal offence at the segment of gay people who dress, speak and behave in a manner that is different from the heterosexual mainstream.

That has nothing to do with being homosexual. There are many different types of non-conformists regardless of gender and sexuality. Your argument here might have merit IF you were fighting for their rights too, but you're not. That's my biggest gripe with the gay rights agenda. It has all the potential to lead the way into the widest possible scope of personal freedoms and civil liberties (after all, what right does the government have in anyone's bedroom?). But instead it has pigeonholed itself into pretending that their fight is a race war instead of the defense of freedoms for all. At the cost, I might add, of everyone's freedoms.
There's a lot of people who would have liked to have worked a lot harder for you if you have been so insistent that every heterosexual male was against you (how many vacations have you received for making bigoted comments against straights?).

your opinions are irrelevant, you are irrelevant. your input is not wanted or required.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Aisengard
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face.

It's not a problem, it's part of the solution. There would be no gay rights at all, if it wasn't for the "loud minority". If there is a problem, it lies with people such as yourself taking personal offence at the segment of gay people who dress, speak and behave in a manner that is different from the heterosexual mainstream.

That has nothing to do with being homosexual. There are many different types of non-conformists regardless of gender and sexuality. Your argument here might have merit IF you were fighting for their rights too, but you're not. That's my biggest gripe with the gay rights agenda. It has all the potential to lead the way into the widest possible scope of personal freedoms and civil liberties (after all, what right does the government have in anyone's bedroom?). But instead it has pigeonholed itself into pretending that their fight is a race war instead of the defense of freedoms for all. At the cost, I might add, of everyone's freedoms.
There's a lot of people who would have liked to have worked a lot harder for you if you have been so insistent that every heterosexual male was against you (how many vacations have you received for making bigoted comments against straights?).

your opinions are irrelevant, you are irrelevant. your input is not wanted or required.

Editted out your original hate, eh?

Call me irrelevant all you want, but when 70% of liberal Oregon's voters vote to ban gay marriage, it's not because they're religious (Oregon, in addition to being very liberal, has the lowest percentage of church attendance in the US), it's a political backlash against a shortsighted agenda. I'm just telling you that you ignore that reality at your own peril, and (much as I might dislike you as a person) I don't want to see that happen to the gay rights cause, which I happen to support.

 

[Brutuskend]

The way I see it is this.

Men sleeping with men and women sleeping with women was NEVER part of natures master plan. Sure it happens and it's been happing for a LONG time, and it will no doubt continue to happen But that in and of itself doesn't make it right as far as I'm concerned and I think it's safe to say quite a few others in the straight community feel the same. I think the votes on the gay marriage thing a few years back prove out this point.
Throwing it in our faces all the time does very little to further your cause, all it does in many cases in make those of us that are "normal" uncomfortable.


I have no problem with the live and let live aspect of this issue as long as gays don't try and recruit from the straight community, which has happened to me more times than I care to think about. In fact that is my MAIN problem with the whole gay issue, which is why I said earlier (more in jest than anything) that they and the places they frequent should be clearly marked.

I would never try and persuade a vegetarian to chow down on a BIG MACK and I don't appreciate having a gay man say to me "AH come on, just give it a try. You may LIKE IT!"

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
And actually, I'm very tolerant of belief, just not tolerant of people pushing their religious beliefs on others or using their religious beliefs to justify oppression. And I'm especially intolerant of religion in politics, as that is more forcing of beliefs on others.

So,
political beliefs (including forcing them on others)= OK
social beliefs (including using them to malign and villainize others) = OK
religious beliefs (all) = evil

You'll forgive me for not understanding the distinction...

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Aisengard
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face.

It's not a problem, it's part of the solution. There would be no gay rights at all, if it wasn't for the "loud minority". If there is a problem, it lies with people such as yourself taking personal offence at the segment of gay people who dress, speak and behave in a manner that is different from the heterosexual mainstream.

That has nothing to do with being homosexual. There are many different types of non-conformists regardless of gender and sexuality. Your argument here might have merit IF you were fighting for their rights too, but you're not. That's my biggest gripe with the gay rights agenda. It has all the potential to lead the way into the widest possible scope of personal freedoms and civil liberties (after all, what right does the government have in anyone's bedroom?). But instead it has pigeonholed itself into pretending that their fight is a race war instead of the defense of freedoms for all. At the cost, I might add, of everyone's freedoms.
There's a lot of people who would have liked to have worked a lot harder for you if you have been so insistent that every heterosexual male was against you (how many vacations have you received for making bigoted comments against straights?).

your opinions are irrelevant, you are irrelevant. your input is not wanted or required.

Editted out your original hate, eh?

Call me irrelevant all you want, but when 70% of liberal Oregon's voters vote to ban gay marriage, it's not because they're religious (Oregon, in addition to being very liberal, has the lowest percentage of church attendance in the US), it's a political backlash against a shortsighted agenda.

Backlash implies that these people had favorable attitudes towards same-sex unions or gay people to begin with, however I don't see any evidence that that is the case.

Negative attitudes towards same-sex marriage being widely expressed (in response to same-sex marriage political and legal campaigns) are inevitable and understandable, but not something to be overly concerned about. The important thing is that people are talking about the issues. Once the conversation is started, all you need a bit of time.

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm just telling you that you ignore that reality

I have a different understanding of the way social change occurs, I see a different 'reality' than you are presenting

(and how characteristically pompous & arrogant of you, to present your own subjective assessment as 'reality'!)

Originally posted by: Vic
at your own peril, and (much as I might dislike you as a person) I don't want to see that happen to the gay rights cause, which I happen to support.

You support the gay rights cause - what does that actually mean?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Men sleeping with men and women sleeping with women was NEVER part of natures master plan"

There is no "master plan" as far as scientists have been able to ascertain. Evolutionary processes are not "conscious" and do not think ahead or plan or design the perfect organism.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Sure it happens and it's been happing for a LONG time, and it will no doubt continue to happen But that in and of itself doesn't make it right as far as I'm concerned

Your strong feeling that homosexual sex acts are wrong is rooted in bigotry and tradition, and therefore deserves no respect.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
and I think it's safe to say quite a few others in the straight community feel the same. I think the votes on the gay marriage thing a few years back prove out this point.

All it proves is that most people = sh1t. I already knew that.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Throwing it in our faces all the time does very little to further your cause, all it does in many cases in make those of us that are "normal" uncomfortable.

Define "throwing it in our faces all the time".

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I have no problem with the live and let live aspect of this issue as long as gays don't try and recruit from the straight community, which has happened to me more times than I care to think about. In fact that is my MAIN problem with the whole gay issue, which is why I said earlier (more in jest than anything) that they and the places they frequent should be clearly marked.

They aren't trying to "recruit" you, they're asking you if you want to have sex. Big deal. Just say no.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I would never try and persuade a vegetarian to chow down on a BIG MACK and I don't appreciate having a gay man say to me "AH come on, just give it a try. You may LIKE IT!"

If you had a son who turns out to be gay, would you want him resorting to anonymous sex with strangers late at night in some dodgy park? Or would you like to think he could be open about who he is, and maybe meet a nice boy friend at school or university? If you would prefer the second option, then you should be embracing these posters.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: tealk
Bible says it's wrong....So it is.....They and you....everyone, will one day be seated infront of our father and God, and procliam he is God...and you WILL answer for your deeds you have done here on earth. But unfortunately homosexuals and non-beleivers all the same, will be turned away.

That is the truth, and remember this....you WILL live it.

Unfortunately, there is no evidence whatsoever to support your claim, just some written words-- and those NEVER lie, do they? Remember this.... most people will not believe you.

 

[iamaelephant]

If my son thought he was going to be gay I would beat him senseless.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: tealk
Bible says it's wrong....So it is.....They and you....everyone, will one day be seated infront of our father and God, and procliam he is God...and you WILL answer for your deeds you have done here on earth. But unfortunately homosexuals and non-beleivers all the same, will be turned away.

That is the truth, and remember this....you WILL live it.

That'll never happen. I will never proclaim anyone God. They can do whatever they want to me, my pride would have me spit in his face sooner than acknowledge anyone as God. I have spent years suffering because of decisions I made based purely on pride, and if I have to go to hell because of it, then that's the way it is. Too bad.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Falcon39
If my son thought he was going to be gay I would beat him senseless.

Aren't you a big man.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Aisengard
A problem with the gay community is that a loud minority like to shove it in your face.

It's not a problem, it's part of the solution. There would be no gay rights at all, if it wasn't for the "loud minority". If there is a problem, it lies with people such as yourself taking personal offence at the segment of gay people who dress, speak and behave in a manner that is different from the heterosexual mainstream.

That has nothing to do with being homosexual. There are many different types of non-conformists regardless of gender and sexuality. Your argument here might have merit IF you were fighting for their rights too, but you're not. That's my biggest gripe with the gay rights agenda. It has all the potential to lead the way into the widest possible scope of personal freedoms and civil liberties (after all, what right does the government have in anyone's bedroom?). But instead it has pigeonholed itself into pretending that their fight is a race war instead of the defense of freedoms for all. At the cost, I might add, of everyone's freedoms.
There's a lot of people who would have liked to have worked a lot harder for you if you have been so insistent that every heterosexual male was against you (how many vacations have you received for making bigoted comments against straights?).

your opinions are irrelevant, you are irrelevant. your input is not wanted or required.

Editted out your original hate, eh?

Call me irrelevant all you want, but when 70% of liberal Oregon's voters vote to ban gay marriage, it's not because they're religious (Oregon, in addition to being very liberal, has the lowest percentage of church attendance in the US), it's a political backlash against a shortsighted agenda.

Backlash implies that these people had favorable attitudes towards same-sex unions or gay people to begin with, however I don't see any evidence that that is the case.

Negative attitudes towards same-sex marriage being widely expressed (in response to same-sex marriage political and legal campaigns) are inevitable and understandable, but not something to be overly concerned about. The important thing is that people are talking about the issues. Once the conversation is started, all you need a bit of time.

Originally posted by: Vic
I'm just telling you that you ignore that reality

I have a different understanding of the way social change occurs, I see a different 'reality' than you are presenting

(and how characteristically pompous & arrogant of you, to present your own subjective assessment as 'reality'!)

Originally posted by: Vic
at your own peril, and (much as I might dislike you as a person) I don't want to see that happen to the gay rights cause, which I happen to support.

You support the gay rights cause - what does that actually mean?

It means I don't think you should treat your cause like a celebrity publicity stunt, where no publicity is bad publicity. But hey, how characteristically hateful of you, to think that forcing people to hate you is the best way to get them to accept you...

 

[Nebor]

I would just like to remind everyone that aidanjm does NOT represent GAYTOT. I am the official GAYTOT liason to the world.

 

[tealk]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: tealk
Bible says it's wrong....So it is.....They and you....everyone, will one day be seated infront of our father and God, and procliam he is God...and you WILL answer for your deeds you have done here on earth. But unfortunately homosexuals and non-beleivers all the same, will be turned away.

That is the truth, and remember this....you WILL live it.

Actually, the Bible doesn't say that. What is does say is Mark 3:28-29:
28 "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them.
29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

What the Bible does say is that, by the grace of God, it is possible that all men can be forgiven all their sins, for all sins are equal, and everyone is guilty of sin.

So yeah, thanks for the hypocrisy. For some reason, I always find it darkly amusing when people who claim to be faithful to God seek to usurp the power of His judgment for their own person glory.

Yes of course they will be forgiven....IF they ask for it. And turn from their wicked ways. That's the power of our God. Was never meant to be for anyones personal glory...None what so ever....I pray for you and more understanding. Remember there will be 2 books when you get to heaven, the second, the Book of Life. That is where just names will be written.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Falcon39
If my son thought he was going to be gay I would beat him senseless.

Yeeeeeeeeehaw! Live in Texas, I presume?

 

[Aharami]

thats too much IMO

 

[Stifko]

Originally posted by: Falcon39
If my son thought he was going to be gay I would beat him senseless.

Yeah that would help a lot.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Men sleeping with men and women sleeping with women was NEVER part of natures master plan"

There is no "master plan" as far as scientists have been able to ascertain. Evolutionary processes are not "conscious" and do not think ahead or plan or design the perfect organism.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Sure it happens and it's been happing for a LONG time, and it will no doubt continue to happen But that in and of itself doesn't make it right as far as I'm concerned

Your strong feeling that homosexual sex acts are wrong is rooted in bigotry and tradition, and therefore deserves no respect.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
and I think it's safe to say quite a few others in the straight community feel the same. I think the votes on the gay marriage thing a few years back prove out this point.

All it proves is that most people = sh1t. I already knew that.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Throwing it in our faces all the time does very little to further your cause, all it does in many cases in make those of us that are "normal" uncomfortable.

Define "throwing it in our faces all the time".

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I have no problem with the live and let live aspect of this issue as long as gays don't try and recruit from the straight community, which has happened to me more times than I care to think about. In fact that is my MAIN problem with the whole gay issue, which is why I said earlier (more in jest than anything) that they and the places they frequent should be clearly marked.

They aren't trying to "recruit" you, they're asking you if you want to have sex. Big deal. Just say no.

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
I would never try and persuade a vegetarian to chow down on a BIG MACK and I don't appreciate having a gay man say to me "AH come on, just give it a try. You may LIKE IT!"

If you had a son who turns out to be gay, would you want him resorting to anonymous sex with strangers late at night in some dodgy park? Or would you like to think he could be open about who he is, and maybe meet a nice boy friend at school or university? If you would prefer the second option, then you should be embracing these posters.

The sex act as nature intended it is for ONE purpose and one purpose only, to REPRODUCE the species. The fact the pleasure is derived from it is just natures way of INSURING that the act is carried out. Since offspring can NOT be conceived from a sex act between two men or two women makes it abnormal as far as nature goes. PERIOD!

As far as my views on homosexuals being rooted in bigotry and tradition you have no IDEA how I came to acquire my views. When I was younger (17-18) I had NO problems with gay people. But after I had been continually approached, lied too, grabbed against my will, had my refusals ignored and asked to do what I would consider sick and disgusting acts for their gratification my views changed. When I was younger I was a GAY magnet it seemed. When stationed in S.Cal in the 70's I used to hitch hike quite a bit and 80% of the time I was picked up by gays. To be fair, most of them would take my refusal with dignity and let it go with that, some where NOT as excepting. This is when MY attitude started to change, so don't assume to know a damn thing about HOW I came to my views on the subject!

I would be willing to bet that MANY of the people out there with strong views regarding homosexuals came to THEIR conclusion the same way.

Frankly, if I had a son who turned out to be gay, I don't know HOW I would react, but I do know I would make it clear to him that he should NEVER behave as some of the ones I encountered in the past behaved.