Homosexual Propaganda

[evilsaint]

Christ, the problem isn't with the gay people themselves, nor their somewhat insubstantial and generally purposeless(sic) 'movement', nor the subsequent relative waste of time organizations stemming from said 'movement'; the problem is the idiotic (and somewhat frequently violent/dangerous) reactions stemming from the generally ignorant beliefs upheld in the minds of entirely too many citizens living in our beautiful country. The intelligence and maturity that have been evidenced in this thread have further cemented my love for AT (and ATOT especially ) given the usual flame fest that would transpire with a posting like this on just about any other forum, but all the arguments for/against what causes someone to like someone else of the same gender seem to me, for the most part, to be completely irrelevant.

I'm sure that the poster was meant to create a stir, but I think that it's just people reading into it's imagery from a different perspective than the one that was originally intended by it's creator. My take : it's showing two guys who are obviously homosexual (hockey players, or jocks in general) who would normally fit the stereotypical role of gay-bashers, if anything, or just kids neutral to the issue, versus a pic of two kids in feather boas and tiger-print pants making out. Most high-school jocks wouldn't be caught dead even thinking about kissing another guy, let alone actually doing it, whereas most HS guys, let's say, in Drama, or playing the flute, etc... practically scream for attention. Maybe it's just my (lack of) age speaking, but who knows...

BTW, i'm very aware of what type of events assumptions can cause to transpire, so there's no need to remind me of the the potential implications of the many assumptive statements made in this last paragraph...

Also, homosexuality has been around for centuries, and it doesn't matter whether it's a chemical imbalance, a lifestyle choice, or embedded in our genes, it is not something that can be ignored (super clichéd statement of the day!). This poster, especially given it's placement in a high-school, which are frequently hotbeds of diversity and hence, rather volatile environments, could stir up even more of the undesirable reactions that gay people are trying to avoid in the first place. This is the kind of crap that makes even liberals feel conservative :|

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
im not trying to hate on gay people at all, but i tend to think its a "sickness" and that they need help.... I know if I tell a gay person that they are "sick" I'll be labeled as a hater... But I have gay friends, just like I have depressed friends and friends that are hooked on drugs...

Your gay friends can live long, happy, healthy lives though. In theory. The same can't be said for your depressed, druggy friends.

 

[astrocase]

I'm afraid of homosexual clowns. What do I do? I can't sleep, I can't eat, I can't.....

If I were you I'd get a couple friends together, preferably gay friends, and dress them up as clowns or something else amusing and take a similar picture. That would be much better plastered all over campus.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
im not trying to hate on gay people at all, but i tend to think its a "sickness" and that they need help.... I know if I tell a gay person that they are "sick" I'll be labeled as a hater... But I have gay friends, just like I have depressed friends and friends that are hooked on drugs...

Your gay friends can live long, happy, healthy lives though. In theory. The same can't be said for your depressed, druggy friends.

An unsuccessful response. TechBoyJK seems to be claiming that homosexuality is a disease or disorder, like depression or drug addiction. If that were true, it could be treatable just like depression and drug addiction can be treated. Conversely, many people with depression and drug addiction do go on to live healthy, happy lives.

I don't think homosexuality is a disease or disorder, for the record; I don't believe without proof that it is based purely on genetics, either.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
im not trying to hate on gay people at all, but i tend to think its a "sickness" and that they need help.... I know if I tell a gay person that they are "sick" I'll be labeled as a hater... But I have gay friends, just like I have depressed friends and friends that are hooked on drugs...

Your gay friends can live long, happy, healthy lives though. In theory. The same can't be said for your depressed, druggy friends.

An unsuccessful response. TechBoyJK seems to be claiming that homosexuality is a disease or disorder, like depression or drug addiction. If that were true, it could be treatable just like depression and drug addiction can be treated. Also, many people with depression and drug addiction do go on to live healthy, happy lives.

I don't think homosexuality is a disease or disorder, for the record; I don't believe without proof that it is based purely on genetics, either.

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Legend
This is the article's source:

http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n14/experimento/lorenz/index-lorenz.html

Another form is sexual imprinting, in which birds learn the characteristics of their siblings, which later on will influence their mating preferences as adults. In greylag geese, filial and sexual imprinting occur almost simultaneously, but in other animals there is a clear interval between the two processes.

Some of the information in this article or section has not been verified and might not be reliable. It should be checked for inaccuracies and modified as needed, citing sources.

That's not even sexuality, and it's much younger age than high school, and it's not human.



also this:

http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=2138&name=Nancy%20T.%20Burley

which isn't about sexuality.

Sigh. That's just the first of zillions of hits. I'm not your personal search engine. Search on "Lorenz geese", "sexual imprinting fetishism", etc. etc. etc. Happy reading and learning.

P.S. The Burley page is indeed about sexuality. It's not squarely on the topic of human sexual imprinting, but that just makes it strange for you to focus on it here.

If it's so easy, then give me a decent link with relevant and reputable sources.

http://www.faculty.uci.edu/profile.cfm?faculty_id=2138&name=Nancy%20T.%20Burley

Has nothing to do with sexuality. It talks about how males/females like certain characteristics of the opposite sex. It also talks about how males tend to favor characteristics of the mother. Point out to me where exactly it talks about sexuality. Not once does it mention the word sexuality or anything between same sexes.

The burden is on you. The idea that you can change the sexuality of teenage kids with dumb posters like the one in the OP's first post is laughable. The burden is on you.

There's no burden on me. Sexual imprinting is a more viable hypothesis than the CBS News article that you linked to, a populist article quoting one researcher with no statistical sources given to back it up. You are being ridiculous if you say that mate selection has nothing to do with sexuality; are you really trying to claim that?

To think that sexual behavior cannot be learned is laughable. I suppose that's why cybersex, phone sex, and the like exist, eh? I suppose in your book, a latex fetish is the result of a hormone imbalance. Just do some reading and you'll change your mind.

Homosexuality is deviant behavior. To encourage homosexuality is irresponsible.

Edit: Here's a decent short article on hormone research. It's not exactly proven as you seem to think.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h...res=9A05E0D9173BF932A1575AC0A962948260

I recall the first "proof" of a genetic basis for homosexuality, based on brain differences of gay men who had died of AIDs. You don't suppose a horrible wasting disease could change the brain's structure or chemistry, do you? There is also significant research that indicates that modifications to behavior patterns can change both the brain's structure AND chemistry. Hence it is not unreasonable to think that homosexual behavior (for instance, acting effeminate as a man) could trigger physical and chemical changes.

That article still has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality. When I say sexuality, I'm implying something other than heterosexuality. It specifically says that *male* birds tend to like *female* that have similar characteristics of their mothers. The article is completely irrelevant.

Males, simply put, prefer to mate with a female that closely resembles their mother!

Yes, I'm saying that heterosexual mate selection among the development among very young zebra finchs has absolutely nothing to do with any homosexuality development among high school teen humans. Especially when there's no scientific evidence suggesting that sexuality development occurs in mid to late teens.


Now your making another logical fallacy by making slippery slope. You have not given any relevant scientific evidence that supports what you're saying, and no one completely understands the causes of homosexuality. And yet, you are all knowing and compare it cybersex and phone sex.

Promote Homosexuality? That's not what I'm doing, and that's not what the posters doing.

Proven? I made no such claim. The scientists made no such claim. I said it's a strong theory, because they are able to consistently alter the "sexuality" of rats with prenatal hormones.

The finding is consistent with previous research indicating that prenatal hormonal influences in mammals can affect later sexual orientation. In these earlier studies, the fetal hormone exposure led to lifelong changes in physiology and behavior.

However, since the current research was done with adults, it is not possible to tell exactly what influences throughout life may be responsible for the observed differences.

All this says is that it's consistent with the prental hormone theory, but it's impossible to tell what happens during their lifetime. That doesn't mean that that a silly gay pride poster is going to make teenage kids gay, lol. Doesn't that article say that their subjects already knew there sexuality upon puberty?

The men they studied were at the extreme of homosexual orientation: Since puberty, their sexual fantasies and activities had involved only other men. The heterosexual men were at the opposite end of the spectrum: Their fantasies and activities had been exclusively heterosexual since puberty.

It does! So clearly post-puberty boys seeing that poster are going to become gay. :lol So are you going to lock up your children from society all the way until they're in college? Be one of those parents that follows them around on college campuses helping them out?


In case you've forgetten, I don't want the poster in schools either. But to say that it could promote homosexuality....that's funny.

Sexual imprinting is a more viable hypothesis than the CBS News article that you linked to, a populist article quoting one researcher with no statistical sources given to back it up.

Explain *exactly* how you came to this conclusion. How do you know the researcher can't back his work up.

 

[udonoogen]

pictures of heteros kissing isnt appropriate for posting at school either. posters in hs are supposed to announce that german club is in the portables behind the band room.

 

[KillerCharlie]

You're in Canada - a place where people are proud of being more liberal than it's conservative neighbor to the south. Those posters are "progressive" - that's what makes Canada great.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: udonoogen
pictures of heteros kissing isnt appropriate for posting at school either. posters in hs are supposed to announce that german club is in the portables behind the band room.

Yes, exactly what I believe. Ads don't belong in school in any form, unless it's directly related to school work.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
im not trying to hate on gay people at all, but i tend to think its a "sickness" and that they need help.... I know if I tell a gay person that they are "sick" I'll be labeled as a hater... But I have gay friends, just like I have depressed friends and friends that are hooked on drugs...

Your gay friends can live long, happy, healthy lives though. In theory. The same can't be said for your depressed, druggy friends.

An unsuccessful response. TechBoyJK seems to be claiming that homosexuality is a disease or disorder, like depression or drug addiction. If that were true, it could be treatable just like depression and drug addiction can be treated. Also, many people with depression and drug addiction do go on to live healthy, happy lives.

I don't think homosexuality is a disease or disorder, for the record; I don't believe without proof that it is based purely on genetics, either.

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

i'll be the first to say I dont truly understand why gay people are gay people... I'm in no position to judge. Yea, in the bible, they hold being gay up there with stealing, and other "sins" I've stolen a few things in my life... And I dont mean to offend you. Nobody is perfect and its your life. I just think men are men, and we were designed to be attracted to the opposite sex.. If you arent attracted to the opposite sex, I leads me to think something is wrong, either pyschologically or chemically.

Let me ask you this, in all seriousness, why are you gay? Because you prefer the sexual comfort of other men, or because you just arent attracted to women? I dont understand the frame of mind with a homosexual person.

 

[TubeTote]

HMMM interesting topic for a computer forum LOL. Here is my take, for what it's worth. Being gay myself, I do not consider it to be in any way a choice I made. I noticed the feelings at a very young age (and no, I am not a "flamer"). I find women sexually attractive and have been with them that way, but I am simply attracted to the company and sexuality of males more...not to mention guys actually enjoy sex (most of them anyway). I went through very traumatic times with my sexuality and many times have wished I was not gay, thinking it would make life easier. Since many of my friends are straight, I have found that this is not the case...they go through just as much bullshit and insecurity as anyone else for the most part...in fact, many of them have shown me that they are not so straight after all I think that in this case, it is more of a choice than a need (curiousity)...but I can't imagine being straight, and that is simply who I am. As far as the posters, I also think it is over the top, and does not represent my views on the subject. I find that many in my community inspire anger, and wish that was not the case. I apologize for them, but not for being gay. If you can't handle it, too damn bad for you. I cannot explain the why's and how's for you; nobody can. It is accepted in the scientific community that homosexuality is not a disease or imbalance, but is most likely genentic. But those saying that we were "designed" to be attracted to the opposite sex...sounds like religion has eaten up your brain (not to mention that it has killed millions, caused more descrimination and hatred than anything else in this world...get a clue). We were designed as male and female to procreate...that is not the same as sex, love or companionship (and like we desparately need more children in the world!). LOL

 

[shoRunner]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
im not trying to hate on gay people at all, but i tend to think its a "sickness" and that they need help.... I know if I tell a gay person that they are "sick" I'll be labeled as a hater... But I have gay friends, just like I have depressed friends and friends that are hooked on drugs...

Your gay friends can live long, happy, healthy lives though. In theory. The same can't be said for your depressed, druggy friends.

An unsuccessful response. TechBoyJK seems to be claiming that homosexuality is a disease or disorder, like depression or drug addiction. If that were true, it could be treatable just like depression and drug addiction can be treated. Also, many people with depression and drug addiction do go on to live healthy, happy lives.

I don't think homosexuality is a disease or disorder, for the record; I don't believe without proof that it is based purely on genetics, either.

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

better not let the rest of the gay community know that...

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I just think men are men, and we were designed to be attracted to the opposite sex.. If you arent attracted to the opposite sex, I leads me to think something is wrong, either pyschologically or chemically.

Maybe it would be helpful for you to think of gay men and lesbians as a third and fourth gender.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: 6000SUX

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
im not trying to hate on gay people at all, but i tend to think its a "sickness" and that they need help.... I know if I tell a gay person that they are "sick" I'll be labeled as a hater... But I have gay friends, just like I have depressed friends and friends that are hooked on drugs...

Your gay friends can live long, happy, healthy lives though. In theory. The same can't be said for your depressed, druggy friends.

An unsuccessful response. TechBoyJK seems to be claiming that homosexuality is a disease or disorder, like depression or drug addiction. If that were true, it could be treatable just like depression and drug addiction can be treated. Also, many people with depression and drug addiction do go on to live healthy, happy lives.

I don't think homosexuality is a disease or disorder, for the record; I don't believe without proof that it is based purely on genetics, either.

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

i'll be the first to say I dont truly understand why gay people are gay people... I'm in no position to judge. Yea, in the bible, they hold being gay up there with stealing, and other "sins" I've stolen a few things in my life... And I dont mean to offend you. Nobody is perfect and its your life. I just think men are men, and we were designed to be attracted to the opposite sex.. If you arent attracted to the opposite sex, I leads me to think something is wrong, either pyschologically or chemically.

Let me ask you this, in all seriousness, why are you gay? Because you prefer the sexual comfort of other men, or because you just arent attracted to women? I dont understand the frame of mind with a homosexual person.

nature is rather more complicated than men are men. look at the fish little nemo is based on. its a species that actually changes sexes when the dominant female of the group dies the biggest male switches sides. theres plenty more deviant stuff that would make religious people freak out in nature. why would god build such deviant sexuality into nature? lol a silly but interest book on it would be dr tatianas sex advice to all creation. or darwins rainbow. there are plenty of otehrs. the world is just more complicated than most think, or atleast readily admit, people like to simplify and block things out. black and white.

 

[dfi]

The only solution is to put up posters of two women making out.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Nebor

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

I agree. I love doing plays and theater, and that's where I've met most of my gay friends. I've been told by them on more than one occasion that homosexuality is the lifestyle, and that most all of them had no gay tendancies until they started theater and where around other gay people. Science can quote whatever they want, but life experience has shown me all I ever need to know. Not saying that some people aren't born with certain tendancies, but many simply learn them.

And many that I've talked to are really upset by the whole "it's not a choice, we're just born this way" argument. They've chosen to be the way they are, and they're proud of it. By saying it's not a choice, it removes a sense of pride and empowerment that some have because people view them as being "sick" rather than simply capable of making their own decisions.

Just my experiences though.

 

[IMaN00BieGF]

Yea, I can see this being a problem. Doubt they'll be up for long.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Nebor

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

I agree. I love doing plays and theater, and that's where I've met most of my gay friends. I've been told by them on more than one occasion that homosexuality is the lifestyle, and that most all of them had no gay tendancies until they started theater and where around other gay people. Science can quote whatever they want, but life experience has shown me all I ever need to know. Not saying that some people aren't born with certain tendancies, but many simply learn them.

And many that I've talked to are really upset by the whole "it's not a choice, we're just born this way" argument. They've chosen to be the way they are, and they're proud of it. By saying it's not a choice, it removes a sense of pride and empowerment that some have because people view them as being "sick" rather than simply capable of making their own decisions.

Just my experiences though.

I find it hard to believe that some guy would choose the stinky brown eye over a nice vagina unless they were predisposed to it or just a sick bastard.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Nebor

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

I agree. I love doing plays and theater, and that's where I've met most of my gay friends. I've been told by them on more than one occasion that homosexuality is the lifestyle, and that most all of them had no gay tendancies until they started theater and where around other gay people. Science can quote whatever they want, but life experience has shown me all I ever need to know. Not saying that some people aren't born with certain tendancies, but many simply learn them.

And many that I've talked to are really upset by the whole "it's not a choice, we're just born this way" argument. They've chosen to be the way they are, and they're proud of it. By saying it's not a choice, it removes a sense of pride and empowerment that some have because people view them as being "sick" rather than simply capable of making their own decisions.

Just my experiences though.

I find it hard to believe that some guy would choose the stinky brown eye over a nice vagina unless they were predisposed to it or just a sick bastard.

objectification ftl

:thumbsdown:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: daveylefthismark

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Nebor

I am gay, and I think it's a choice. *shrug*

I agree. I love doing plays and theater, and that's where I've met most of my gay friends. I've been told by them on more than one occasion that homosexuality is the lifestyle, and that most all of them had no gay tendancies until they started theater and where around other gay people. Science can quote whatever they want, but life experience has shown me all I ever need to know. Not saying that some people aren't born with certain tendancies, but many simply learn them.

And many that I've talked to are really upset by the whole "it's not a choice, we're just born this way" argument. They've chosen to be the way they are, and they're proud of it. By saying it's not a choice, it removes a sense of pride and empowerment that some have because people view them as being "sick" rather than simply capable of making their own decisions.

Just my experiences though.

I find it hard to believe that some guy would choose the stinky brown eye over a nice vagina unless they were predisposed to it or just a sick bastard.

objectification ftl

:thumbsdown:

?

 

[Brutuskend]

Back when I was in school?

NO, you would NEVER see anything remotely like that.

But then that was long ago and far away...

 

[IdaGno]

Others see us for what we have become & so the propaganda machine demonizes them, calls them our enemies. Wake the hell up npeople.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11674281

?The insults against Prophet Muhammad are not the result of freedom of opinion but because what is sacred has changed in this culture,? he said. ?The Prophet Mohammed, prayers be upon him, and Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, are not sacred anymore, while Semites and the Holocaust and homosexuality have become sacred.?

 

[BurnItDwn]

I don't see the poster as doing any harm.
Gay people are gay people, Straight people are straight. It's not like people are going to see the poster and think "omg now I want to be gay too."
If more straight people realize there's nothing wrong with the gay folks, then everyone will be better off. Sure the idea of male to male contact sorta grosses me out, but it happens, and nothing gross is really shown in that poster.

 

[Brutuskend]

I think the USA has become WAY to P.C.

I can understand the reasoning behind this kind of "campaign" but irregardless, deep down in my soul I can't and never WILL except this kind of life style as normal or acceptable.

I know that for most gays their attraction to people of the same sex is not something they choose, but rather something that nature or nurture has forced upon them, and to my way of thinking, this is SAD.

But as a straight male who was constantly being approached by gay men in my younger days and "offered" the opportunity to switch teams, I don't find it acceptable.
And worst case scenario of this is that it may encourage otherwise "normal" people to say "Oh what the hell, I may as well give it a TRY!"

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
If more straight people realize there's nothing wrong with the gay folks, then everyone will be better off. Sure the idea of male to male contact sorta grosses me out, but it happens, and nothing gross is really shown in that poster.

riighhhtttt....