Homosexual Propaganda

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Stew
At my high school, we actually have posters showing 2 hockey players kissing passionately that say "SHOCKING? For the homophobes! "

Well, you know how they are in Quebec.....

 

[Golgatha]

The posters are no more appropriate than a male and female in an intimate pose up on the walls of your school.

I think homosexual behavior is a choice. If it is genetic, wouldn't you think this chromosome or whatever would've been weeded out through simple lack of procreation and the progression of time?

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Golgatha
The posters are no more appropriate than a male and female in an intimate pose up on the walls of your school.

I think homosexual behavior is a choice. If it is genetic, wouldn't you think this chromosome or whatever would've been weeded out through simple lack of procreation and the progression of time?

that suggests that
1. all genetic traits must be "active" when passed down. would it be equally as plausible as two average height adults having midget offspring?
2. no homosexuals ever have hetrosexual relationships/sex or children.

edit: i obviously dont know that it is genetic or a choice. but im not sure that logic actually pans out in our world.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Golgatha
The posters are no more appropriate than a male and female in an intimate pose up on the walls of your school.

I think homosexual behavior is a choice. If it is genetic, wouldn't you think this chromosome or whatever would've been weeded out through simple lack of procreation and the progression of time?

that suggests that
1. all genetic traits must be "active" when passed down. would it be equally as plausible as two average height adults having midget offspring?
2. no homosexuals ever have hetrosexual relationships/sex or children.

edit: i obviously dont know that it is genetic or a choice. but im not sure that logic actually pans out in our world.

1. Two average height adults having midget offspring is possible, but not at all probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also, the offspring having the genetic trait for homosexuality would be much less likely to procreate and thus weed out the gene over time.

2. What you're describing is bisexuality or someone making a choice to become homosexual exclusively after being in a heterosexual relationship. Therefore, the exclusive homosexual gene would get weeded out by this method as well because the gene being passed down in this case is one for a predisposition for bisexual relations. Genetic implies they inherited a trait, which in turn makes them be born as a homosexual and not bisexual.


The rising apparent homosexual population could be due to people just coming out of the closet so to speak, due to society's gaining tolerance of homosexual lifestyles. I don't think we'd see an increasing percentage of the population identifying themselves as homosexual indefinitely though if this "condition" is due to genetic predisposition due to the afformentioned reasons.

To be quite frank, I think homosexuality is about having sexual satisfaction without the possible consequences of responsibility for offspring attached, just like pre-marital sex between heterosexuals is (given that most pre-marital sex is had with the explicit intention of not having offspring, but instead receiving sexual gratification from one another). Assuming the offspring from any pair of individuals should have similar makeup to the mating pair of adults, one could predict most babies are born with a pre-disposition towards heterosexual behavior. The difference between pre-marital or marital sex and homosexual sex for pleasure is only one can produce offspring and the other simply can not, which drastically minimizes the chance of offspring with a genetic pre-disposition for homosexual behavior. Given these facts, I have made my conclusion that homosexual behavior is choice based and not because of a genetic pre-disposition for homosexual behavior.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Golgatha
The posters are no more appropriate than a male and female in an intimate pose up on the walls of your school.

I think homosexual behavior is a choice. If it is genetic, wouldn't you think this chromosome or whatever would've been weeded out through simple lack of procreation and the progression of time?

that suggests that
1. all genetic traits must be "active" when passed down. would it be equally as plausible as two average height adults having midget offspring?
2. no homosexuals ever have hetrosexual relationships/sex or children.

edit: i obviously dont know that it is genetic or a choice. but im not sure that logic actually pans out in our world.

1. Two average height adults having midget offspring is possible, but not at all probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also, the offspring having the genetic trait for homosexuality would be much less likely to procreate and thus weed out the gene over time.

2. What you're describing is bisexuality or someone making a choice to become homosexual exclusively after being in a heterosexual relationship. Therefore, the exclusive homosexual gene would get weeded out by this method as well because the gene being passed down in this case is one for a predisposition for bisexual relations. Genetic implies they inherited a trait, which in turn makes them be born as a homosexual and not bisexual.


The rising apparent homosexual population could be due to people just coming out of the closet so to speak, due to society's gaining tolerance of homosexual lifestyles. I don't think we'd see an increasing percentage of the population identifying themselves as homosexual indefinitely though if this is "condition" is due to genetic predisposition due to the afformentioned reasons.

i agree on #1.
on #2 i meant more of a "beard," which you get into after the bisexual bit.
that is, someone who represses homosexuality and/or because of social pressure conforms to the hetrosexual standard that has been prevelant for us.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: Golgatha
The posters are no more appropriate than a male and female in an intimate pose up on the walls of your school.

I think homosexual behavior is a choice. If it is genetic, wouldn't you think this chromosome or whatever would've been weeded out through simple lack of procreation and the progression of time?

that suggests that
1. all genetic traits must be "active" when passed down. would it be equally as plausible as two average height adults having midget offspring?
2. no homosexuals ever have hetrosexual relationships/sex or children.

edit: i obviously dont know that it is genetic or a choice. but im not sure that logic actually pans out in our world.

1. Two average height adults having midget offspring is possible, but not at all probable by any stretch of the imagination. Also, the offspring having the genetic trait for homosexuality would be much less likely to procreate and thus weed out the gene over time.

2. What you're describing is bisexuality or someone making a choice to become homosexual exclusively after being in a heterosexual relationship. Therefore, the exclusive homosexual gene would get weeded out by this method as well because the gene being passed down in this case is one for a predisposition for bisexual relations. Genetic implies they inherited a trait, which in turn makes them be born as a homosexual and not bisexual.


The rising apparent homosexual population could be due to people just coming out of the closet so to speak, due to society's gaining tolerance of homosexual lifestyles. I don't think we'd see an increasing percentage of the population identifying themselves as homosexual indefinitely though if this is "condition" is due to genetic predisposition due to the afformentioned reasons.

Prenatal hormones.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/09/60minutes/main1385230.shtml

 

[Golgatha]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/09/60minutes/main1385230_page5.shtml

"The more older brothers a man has, the greater that man's chance of being gay," says Bailey.

Asked if that's true, Bailey says, "That is absolutely true."

If this comes as a shock to you, you?re not alone. But it turns out, it?s one of the most solid findings in this field, demonstrated in study after study.

And the numbers are significant: for every older brother a man has, his chances of being gay increase by one third. Older sisters make no difference, and there's no corresponding effect for lesbians. A first-born son has about a 2 percent chance of being gay, and the numbers rise from there. The theory is it happens in the womb.

"Somehow, the mother's body is remembering how many boys she's carried before," says Breedlove. "The favorite hypothesis is that the mother may be making antibodies when she sees a boy the first time, and then affect subsequent boys when she carries them in utero."

"You mean, like she's carrying a foreign substance?" Stahl asked.

"And if you think about it, a woman who's carrying a son for the first time, she is carrying a foreign substance," Breedlove replied. "There are some proteins encoded on his Y chromosome that her body has never seen before and that her immune system would be expected to regard as 'invaders,'" he added.

I'm arguing the point about genetics though, which have nothing to do with maternal hormones/antibodies present in the womb.

I don't like this next quote though because left or right handedness is genetic. If maternal hormones/antibodies are the cause of pre-disposition for homosexuality (not genes) and there shouldn't be any differences in body chemistry for left or right handed boys, then why is there a difference in the chances for these boys to grow up to become homosexual adults?

"One of the things we've only found out lately is that older brothers affect a boy only if the boy is right-handed," Breedlove said. "If the boy is left-handed, if his brain is organized in a left-handed fashion, it doesn't matter how many older brothers he has, his probability of being gay is just like the rest of the population."

I'm still leaning towards choice and this article only reinforced what I already believe.

 

[6000SUX]

Originally posted by: Legend
Prenatal hormones.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/09/60minutes/main1385230.shtml

You prefer to wholeheartedly believe potentially quack science posted on the Internet, in the content of a recycled TV program. That's interesting, but it's not a strong information source. This is also interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Michael_Bailey

Not only is his research suspect, but in the past he was a champion of a hereditary theory for sexual orientation. It's interesting how people like this change their focus when something becomes trendy.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I find it hard to believe that some guy would choose the stinky brown eye over a nice vagina unless they were predisposed to it or just a sick bastard.

I would have to agree that I don't understand the predisposition, but what I'm telling you is true. My best friend in high school was the same way. He was a straight as they come and slept with every girl he could. He used to mock homosexuals actually. Then he became one after living with a friend who's guardians where gay. And no, he was not a repressed homosexual who finally came out. His own words confirm he never had homosexual tendancies prior to living in that house.

But like I said, I don't understand why, but it does happen. Quite often actually.

 

[LordMaul]

Did they have this when you were in high school?

No. I doubt it would've lasted very long...

 

[bluemax]

This isn't propaganda about tolerance, it's PROMOTING homosexuality and trying to convince others it's a great thing. Annnnd the slippery slope worsens and our nation slides deeper into depravity - all in the name of "freedom: screw everyone else, I'll do whatever the hell I want."

 

[0roo0roo]

i'm sorry its not propaganda. its not recruitment, you can't recruit heteros no matter what you think. its not promoting homosexuality anymore than black civil rights were promoting blackness. they were just saying its ok to be black or homosexual and that discrimination/spreading hate against such groups is irrational nonsense.

 

[Looney]

Doesn't bother me. I think this may not have been the best move though, just because when you shove it in people's face, they might rebel against it and hate it even more. Instead, they should have done what my school did, and put on a Rocky Horror show and cabarets.

 

[Cabages]

"spreading hate against such groups is irrational nonsense."

Not to me it isnt.

Do straight people put up posters saying its alright to be straight? No, but we might have to start, if stuff like this keeps on going on.

Why have this in school? What is the point?

There is none. It should never have been there.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: DaY
Put up a picture of beastiality and claim people only dislike it because they're afraid they might like it.

:beer:

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Cabages
"spreading hate against such groups is irrational nonsense."

Not to me it isnt.

Do straight people put up posters saying its alright to be straight? No, but we might have to start, if stuff like this keeps on going on.

Why have this in school? What is the point?

There is none. It should never have been there.

thats like saying white people should have put up posters saying its alright to be white during the civil rights movement. theres no point to doing that when you are the oppressor. homophobia is one of the last bigotries thats acceptable in much of the us.

 

[Cabages]

Oppressor? There shouldnt even be an alternative!

"homophobia is one of the last bigotries thats acceptable in much of the us. "

Good. America is apparently smarter than I thought.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Cabages
Oppressor? There shouldnt even be an alternative!

"homophobia is one of the last bigotries thats acceptable in much of the us. "

Good. America is apparently smarter than I thought.

Oppression isn't acceptable. Why do you hate someone for doing something that has no impact on you? That's a biggoted attitude.

 

[Cabages]

"Why do you hate someone for doing something that has no impact on you?"

You dont think my brother being gay has had any negative impact on me?

What the hell do you know.

For EVERY action, there is a reaction.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Cabages
Oppressor? There shouldnt even be an alternative!

"homophobia is one of the last bigotries thats acceptable in much of the us. "

Good. America is apparently smarter than I thought.

Oppression isn't acceptable. Why do you hate someone for doing something that has no impact on you? That's a biggoted attitude.

when a gay guy hits on me, I feel like throwing up. The site of two guys making out makes me uneasy and feel like i need to apologize to God for even witnessing it. it has an impact on me.

 

[imported_Baloo]

LOL, Can't get truer than that, now can you. Yeah, shocking, to the homophobic OP.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
when a gay guy hits on me, I feel like throwing up. The site of two guys making out makes me uneasy

have you considered that the problem might lie with you, and not with gay people?

also, think about how hypocritical you are being: does the sight of two women kissing make you want to throw up? Does it make you uneasy?

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
and feel like i need to apologize to God for even witnessing it. it has an impact on me.

I'm surprised your not apologizing to your god for your unbelievably mean-spirited attitude towards other people who happen to be different than you.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
My best friend in high school was the same way. He was a straight as they come and slept with every girl he could. He used to mock homosexuals actually.

He sounds like a typical closet case. Goes out of his way to be a "stud" with the women, and mocks gay people, as a way of proving his masculinity. More than a few homosexual men behave that way as teenagers and young adults. As they get older, they become more honest with themselves, and drop the act. Some of them try to attone for their homophobic past by e.g., doing volunteer work in the community etc.

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Then he became one after living with a friend who's guardians where gay.

In other words, he was exposed to an environment where gay people were respected and not ridiculed. He was, in effect, given permission to be himself.

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
And no, he was not a repressed homosexual who finally came out. His own words confirm he never had homosexual tendancies prior to living in that house.

What exactly do you mean by homosexual tendencies?

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
But like I said, I don't understand why, but it does happen. Quite often actually.

A straight or heterosexual man suddenly "deciding" to be gay? I think that happens rarely, if ever. Certainly I have never met such a person or read an account of such a person in a book or article. I know maybe a handful of people who claim they chose to be queer (altho by that they mean they chose their social identity, as opposed to their inner sexual orientation). Every other gay person I've met (that I've asked) has said they didn't choose their sexual orientation. The overwhelming evidence from first hand accounts by gay people indicates that people do not choose their sexual orientation. Rather people choose how they are going to deal with their sexual orientation - hide it, or not.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
when a gay guy hits on me, I feel like throwing up. The site of two guys making out makes me uneasy

have you considered that the problem might lie with you, and not with gay people?

also, think about how hypocritical you are being: does the sight of two women kissing make you want to throw up? Does it make you uneasy?

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
and feel like i need to apologize to God for even witnessing it. it has an impact on me.

I'm surprised your not apologizing to your god for your unbelievably mean-spirited attitude towards other people who happen to be different than you.

lol... i think its sinful, devious behavior. and i take a stand against it. im not suggesting that we need to string gay people up and kill them. I just think that they need to respect that a large portion of society is turned off by their behavior and not try and rub it in their face. If a gay guy hits on me at a bar, and is polite about finding out if im straight or gay, i politey let him know im not. But when a flaming gay guy that acts super gay, that I WORK WITH, keeps reminding me how much I would enjoy him sucking me off on our breaks, i feel like knocking him out. Sorry if thats mean spirited, but if you dont want my mean spirit knocking your gay asss out, dont rub your gross gay lifestyle in my face.

And FYI, the guy that cut my hair for years, he is gay. But he was considerate about it. He knew I was straight and didnt act in a way that would offend me. And yea, when I see to BEAUTIFUL women make out, part of me thinks "oh man thats hot".

This is an endless debate. I don't think homosexuality is right. To me, its an offensive behavior like being drunk and rude in public. If you want to be drunk and rude, do it in your own home. Dont do it in public. I don't think theft is right. and I've been arrested for stealing. (when i was a kid). Does that make me a hypocrite, arguably, yes, but realistically, no, because I conciously acknowledge to myself that the behavior was wrong.

 

[bradams]

This topic is gay... haha get it?