It's clear that's what Jefferson meant. Or are you not familiar with Jefferson's belief regarding religion and government. There's dozens of quotes that can be taken quite literally.
Dude you are so clueless on this matter I don't even know how to even respond to your dumb posts.
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Ermmmm... you have to do more than read those two words and make up your own context. Liberals focus on the establishment clause, conservatives focus on the free exercise clause. Liberals have a much more "liberal" definition of what constitutes the establishment of a religion than conservatives. I do believe they have taken it a bit too far, because in their effort to prevent the establishment of a religion they've infringed on people's rights to the free exercise of their religion. I think that conservatives on the other hand have pushed back too far and border on trying to force their religious beliefs on others, which aside from being wrong (IMHO), I really don't see the point of. You're not going to get someone to join your religion by trying to force it on them.
Vic
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Wow... I've always known you were stupid and unable to argue without using outrageous straw men and veiled insults, but now you proven it for everyone to see.
What I said is that people have every right to their own beliefs. And that they have no right to make their beliefs into law.
As I know you are a moralist busybody from the other end of the spectrum, I've no doubt that your disconnected doublethinking brain will be completely unable to understand this. But those who actually can think will understand and will be laughing at you.
Here's some more quotes from Jefferson. He just loves the mixing of church and state, and was a good Christian or something.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814
It seems like he has more of a problem with men (priests). His heresy is today considered non-denominational or protestant. His beef was with state churches and the (unelected) men that governed them.
For you Vic-toria
Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men, working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense for their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not fitting,
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity. They are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, spiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affections, implacable, unmerciful.
32 And knowing the judgment of God, that those who commit such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but have pleasure in those who do them.
Romans 1
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men, working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense for their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not fitting,
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity. They are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, spiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affections, implacable, unmerciful.
32 And knowing the judgment of God, that those who commit such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but have pleasure in those who do them.
Vic
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Ah... yet more picking and choosing in your "literal" interpretation. That is Paul describing the judgement of God upon sinners, not the judgement of classy, whom God commanded to love all men regardless of their sins. There is quite a difference there FYI.
Hey, ignorance is bliss. And i'm blessed with it.
What i'm saying is that you don't like gay people, that's in the same category as not liking black people, because they're black, and if you don't like women, because well, they wine alot.
To sum up, i'm saying that you are a bigot, that will make the world better when you die. (We know the only way humans progress is by dying, as humans rarely change views during a lifetime.)
There's nothing wrong with disliking gay or black people, that just makes you an idiot.
And we all know that countering idiocy is done by posters like that informing people. Propaganda, but a mild form. This is done in schools because you can best affect children.
heh, ofcourse he is, inwhich case you should be supporting the danish because we're one of the few countries that were in iraq from the start, and seem to be staying.
ElMonoDelMar
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Vic
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You don't actually READ my posts, do you?
edit: Or is it just that flinging baseless insults without a shred of truth or merit is your way of telling us that your brainwashed mind cannot understand my arguments? You, with your intolerance for the beliefs of others, are far far closer to being a bigot than I am.
Babbles
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No it does not make him an idiot, and the fact that this is how you think somewhat demonstrates how dense you are.
Needlessly promoting sexuality of any flavor is not, or should not, be the job of a school. It would be inappropriate to have a poster of a guy and girl kissing, and likewise it is inappropriate to have a poster of two guys kissing. I'm sure most, if not all schools, probably have rules against guys and girls making out in the hallways. As such why would it be acceptable to condone two guys making out in the hallways? it's like some sort of twisted reverse double standard. It's not a "homophobia" thing, it is a "not appropriate for a learning environment" thing.
:beer:
Well, if you really don't allow pictures of people kissing in schools (sounds a bit extreme) then it should not be shown. As i'ev said before.
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