Homophobe Hillbilly Defeated in Iowa Special Election

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
People will be called Bigots.

I'm not sure what your point is. The word bigot exists for a good reason, to describe the people who are bigots.

You are one of the most unabashed bigots this forum has ever seen. You are correct though, the word "bigot" does exist for a good reason.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
People will be called Bigots.

I'm not sure what your point is. The word bigot exists for a good reason, to describe the people who are bigots.

You are one of the most unabashed bigots this forum has ever seen. You are correct though, the word "bigot" does exist for a good reason.

Really? Explain to me why he's a bigot, you do understand that being bigotted against bigots does not make one a bigot, right?

If you don't, this discussion is over.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: OCguy
That doesnt even make sense, sorry.

As I noted previously, I didn't expect you to understand. The final paragraph of my previous was simply to clarify my position to others who expressed confusion.

Originally posted by: OCguy
Calling me a bigot because I point out that using disparaging generalizing slurs such as "hillbilly" is akin to the "I know you are, but what I'm I" response on the school yard.

That isn't why I called you a bigot, it is why I called you pea-brained.

Originally posted by: OCguy
No, "Hillbilly," "Redneck," "White Trash," "hick" etc are not off limits nor frowned upon by society like their cousins for generalizing other races, but someday that is the way it will be.

No word is off limits, but many are rightly frowned upon in when used in various contexts.

Originally posted by: OCguy
Did throwing that in there add anything to this thread? Or was it just so we picture the caricature toothless white uneducated moonshine drinking "Yokel?"

It adds context, much like "homophobe evangelical" or "homophobe jock" would if either of those were the case at hand.

Originally posted by: OCguy
I get it. Because I didnt come out in my first post and attack the moron who was against gay marriage, I myself was against gay marriage by default.

I tried to ignore your initial out of line personal attack. However, after finding out that I indeed do support equal rights for gays, both in marriage and beyond, you probably should have stopped.

As I explained above; I never suggested you have any problem with gay marriage, and never intended to imply anything of the sort.

Look, son, you're barking up the wrong tree here, i think you know it and you are trying to make up for it by playing the ignorant idiot who doesn't get it.

OCGuy is a good guy and your excuses for your attacks on him are wearing fucking thin.

So, in quite simple terms, shut the fuck up now before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.

Is that clear enough for your dumb arse?

Haven't seen you in a while, welcome back!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: OCguy
That doesnt even make sense, sorry.

As I noted previously, I didn't expect you to understand. The final paragraph of my previous was simply to clarify my position to others who expressed confusion.

Originally posted by: OCguy
Calling me a bigot because I point out that using disparaging generalizing slurs such as "hillbilly" is akin to the "I know you are, but what I'm I" response on the school yard.

That isn't why I called you a bigot, it is why I called you pea-brained.

Originally posted by: OCguy
No, "Hillbilly," "Redneck," "White Trash," "hick" etc are not off limits nor frowned upon by society like their cousins for generalizing other races, but someday that is the way it will be.

No word is off limits, but many are rightly frowned upon in when used in various contexts.

Originally posted by: OCguy
Did throwing that in there add anything to this thread? Or was it just so we picture the caricature toothless white uneducated moonshine drinking "Yokel?"

It adds context, much like "homophobe evangelical" or "homophobe jock" would if either of those were the case at hand.

Originally posted by: OCguy
I get it. Because I didnt come out in my first post and attack the moron who was against gay marriage, I myself was against gay marriage by default.

I tried to ignore your initial out of line personal attack. However, after finding out that I indeed do support equal rights for gays, both in marriage and beyond, you probably should have stopped.

As I explained above; I never suggested you have any problem with gay marriage, and never intended to imply anything of the sort.

Look, son, you're barking up the wrong tree here, i think you know it and you are trying to make up for it by playing the ignorant idiot who doesn't get it.

OCGuy is a good guy and your excuses for your attacks on him are wearing fucking thin.

So, in quite simple terms, shut the fuck up now before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.

Is that clear enough for your dumb arse?

Haven't seen you in a while, welcome back!

Thank you, i've been banned for a while. :beer:

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
...i think you know it and you are trying to make up for it by playing the ignorant idiot who doesn't get it.

Rather, I'm sure you don't get much, as that explains why your arguments are so often completely devoid of substance.

 

[sportage]

More

Last night we saw a tremendous victory for equality in Southeast Iowa! Voters sent a clear message that the divisive and desperate politics of fear will not work in Iowa. The last minute scare tactics by the National Organization for Marriage fell flat. With a slim 107 vote margin, your support made the difference and helped defeat an anti-gay candidate backed with almost $90,000 of NOM?s extremist money!

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
People will be called Bigots.

I'm not sure what your point is. The word bigot exists for a good reason, to describe the people who are bigots.

Right. The term socialist is also always thus applied.

:roll:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sportage
More

Last night we saw a tremendous victory for equality in Southeast Iowa! Voters sent a clear message that the divisive and desperate politics of fear will not work in Iowa. The last minute scare tactics by the National Organization for Marriage fell flat. With a slim 107 vote margin, your support made the difference and helped defeat an anti-gay candidate backed with almost $90,000 of NOM?s extremist money!

So how does 100 votes equal "tremendous victory" and a "clear message"? Only in the minds of silly libs I guess.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
...i think you know it and you are trying to make up for it by playing the ignorant idiot who doesn't get it.

Rather, I'm sure you don't get much, as that explains why your arguments are so often completely devoid of substance.

So often? Well, son, you haven't ever made a lasting impression because i don't know who the fuck you are.

I'm sorry but the need you have to be right makes you a ridiculous excuse of a debater, you could have just said that you didn't get what OC said and it would be all well and fine but you had to push it.

It's fucking pathetic, YOU are fucking pathetic.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
People will be called Bigots.

I'm not sure what your point is. The word bigot exists for a good reason, to describe the people who are bigots.

You are one of the most unabashed bigots this forum has ever seen. You are correct though, the word "bigot" does exist for a good reason.

Really? Explain to me why he's a bigot, you do understand that being bigotted against bigots does not make one a bigot, right?

If you don't, this discussion is over.

First of all, don't tell me when the discussion is over. Of course you are free to leave it whenever you wish, but I'll be kind and answer your question.

A few months back, our posterboy of progressive values, Craig234, stated that if he were a hiring manager he would discriminate against people who hold conservative values (if he knew about them) in the hiring process. You don't get more bigoted than that.

....and by the way, how can you not be a bigot if your are "bigoted" against someone, regardless of the reason for the bigotry? You're beyond silly.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
People will be called Bigots.

I'm not sure what your point is. The word bigot exists for a good reason, to describe the people who are bigots.

You are one of the most unabashed bigots this forum has ever seen. You are correct though, the word "bigot" does exist for a good reason.

Really? Explain to me why he's a bigot, you do understand that being bigotted against bigots does not make one a bigot, right?

If you don't, this discussion is over.

First of all, don't tell me when the discussion is over. Of course you are free to leave it whenever you wish, but I'll be kind and answer your question.

A few months back, our posterboy of progressive values, Craig234, stated that if he were a hiring manager he would discriminate against people who hold conservative values (if he knew about them) in the hiring process. You don't get more bigoted than that.

....and by the way, how can you not be a bigot if your are "bigoted" against someone, regardless of the reason for the bigotry? You're beyond silly.

But Corn - don't you know that libs/"progressives" get to set the definition of words these days?


BTW - thanks for being late this year. This extra week or two took a lot of stress off of me. (re: your sig)

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
But Corn - don't you know that libs/"progressives" get to set the definition of words these days?


BTW - thanks for being late this year. This extra week or two took a lot of stress off of me. (re: your sig)

I blame myself for you getting vacationed last week, it was silly of me to complain about the obvious yet again. Glad to see it was a short one.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: sportage
More

Last night we saw a tremendous victory for equality in Southeast Iowa! Voters sent a clear message that the divisive and desperate politics of fear will not work in Iowa. The last minute scare tactics by the National Organization for Marriage fell flat. With a slim 107 vote margin, your support made the difference and helped defeat an anti-gay candidate backed with almost $90,000 of NOM?s extremist money!

So how does 100 votes equal "tremendous victory" and a "clear message"? Only in the minds of silly libs I guess.

well only 400 people know how to read there.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
People will be called Bigots.

I'm not sure what your point is. The word bigot exists for a good reason, to describe the people who are bigots.

You are one of the most unabashed bigots this forum has ever seen. You are correct though, the word "bigot" does exist for a good reason.

Really? Explain to me why he's a bigot, you do understand that being bigotted against bigots does not make one a bigot, right?

If you don't, this discussion is over.

First of all, don't tell me when the discussion is over. Of course you are free to leave it whenever you wish, but I'll be kind and answer your question.

A few months back, our posterboy of progressive values, Craig234, stated that if he were a hiring manager he would discriminate against people who hold conservative values (if he knew about them) in the hiring process. You don't get more bigoted than that.

....and by the way, how can you not be a bigot if your are "bigoted" against someone, regardless of the reason for the bigotry? You're beyond silly.

Craig is just as fucking daft as you, both extremists on either side, i don't give a fuck about either of you, you are both equally fucked up.

Is that clear enough or do i need to explain it further?

The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
But Corn - don't you know that libs/"progressives" get to set the definition of words these days?


BTW - thanks for being late this year. This extra week or two took a lot of stress off of me. (re: your sig)

I blame myself for you getting vacationed last week, it was silly of me to complain about the obvious yet again. Glad to see it was a short one.

FWIW, i thought the bannanination you got was completely undeserved, but since i'm just back from a two month ban for something very similar, i am not going to antagonise the mods further.

As you were.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

you are being intolerant of the intolerant against the intolerant, I hate intolerance.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

you are being intolerant of the intolerant against the intolerant, I hate intolerance.

Yeah? Well i hate tolerance so tough tits!

 

[JSt0rm]

since I hate intolerance I guess I will have to tolerate your line of thinking.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
since I hate intolerance I guess I will have to tolerate your line of thinking.

So you are tolerant? I HATE YOU!

I wonder if anyone will get this display of the argument originally made?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
But Corn - don't you know that libs/"progressives" get to set the definition of words these days?


BTW - thanks for being late this year. This extra week or two took a lot of stress off of me. (re: your sig)

I blame myself for you getting vacationed last week, it was silly of me to complain about the obvious yet again. Glad to see it was a short one.

I wasn't vacationed. The mod quote is still there but I wasn't vacationed. I explained that it really was a comment to you about knowing better.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Craig is just as fucking daft as you, both extremists on either side, i don't give a fuck about either of you, you are both equally fucked up.

Is that clear enough or do i need to explain it further?

The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

It is not an "idiotic argument". Every bigot feels his bigotry is justified. I'm not saying that all forms of bigotry are equal, only that bigotry in any form is just that. The big difference between Craig and myself is that while we are *all* bigots I wouldn't point the finger at anyone without looking inward first, generally (hey, I ain't perfect). Craig's on my radar because he's a hypocrite, always the first to point his finger and scream without turing it on himself when it is most assuredly deserved.

An interesting tidbit is that if you looked closely at my posts over the years you would find that socially, I'm about as liberal as they come. My sardonic barbs find targets in all directions, its just that nanny state lefty hypocrites strike my fancy more often than the ridiculous righties. Prolly cuz I'm more bigoted against one than the other. Ah well.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Craig is just as fucking daft as you, both extremists on either side, i don't give a fuck about either of you, you are both equally fucked up.

Is that clear enough or do i need to explain it further?

The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

It is not an "idiotic argument". Every bigot feels his bigotry is justified. I'm not saying that all forms of bigotry are equal, only that bigotry in any form is just that. The big difference between Craig and myself is that while we are *all* bigots I wouldn't point the finger at anyone without looking inward first, generally (hey, I ain't perfect). Craig's on my radar because he's a hypocrite, always the first to point his finger and scream without turing it on himself when it is most assuredly deserved.

An interesting tidbit is that if you looked closely at my posts over the years you would find that socially, I'm about as liberal as they come. My sardonic barbs find targets in all directions, its just that nanny state lefty hypocrites strike my fancy more often than the ridiculous righties. Prolly cuz I'm more bigoted against one than the other. Ah well.

I think that because of the pejorative nature of the term 'bigot' we ought to assign some elements to the term. I'd think 'irrational' ought to be an element as well as 'against a particular group of society', 'hate' and maybe a few other elements. One can call a bigot 'intolerant' but that is not being a bigot imo unless that intolerance is irrational and against a race, gender, sexual preference etc...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Craig is just as fucking daft as you, both extremists on either side, i don't give a fuck about either of you, you are both equally fucked up.

Is that clear enough or do i need to explain it further?

The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

It is not an "idiotic argument". Every bigot feels his bigotry is justified. I'm not saying that all forms of bigotry are equal, only that bigotry in any form is just that. The big difference between Craig and myself is that while we are *all* bigots I wouldn't point the finger at anyone without looking inward first, generally (hey, I ain't perfect). Craig's on my radar because he's a hypocrite, always the first to point his finger and scream without turing it on himself when it is most assuredly deserved.

An interesting tidbit is that if you looked closely at my posts over the years you would find that socially, I'm about as liberal as they come. My sardonic barbs find targets in all directions, its just that nanny state lefty hypocrites strike my fancy more often than the ridiculous righties. Prolly cuz I'm more bigoted against one than the other. Ah well.

I think that because of the pejorative nature of the term 'bigot' we ought to assign some elements to the term. I'd think 'irrational' ought to be an element as well as 'against a particular group of society', 'hate' and maybe a few other elements. One can call a bigot 'intolerant' but that is not being a bigot imo unless that intolerance is irrational and against a race, gender, sexual preference etc...

This raises all kinds of philosophical questions for me. It isn't polite to call people bigots. It is often hypocritical as nothing can be funnier than watching one bigot attack another. But I think, not so much in terms of what is polite or proper, but what is effective and what is the Good. Is it good for humanity to be bigoted? Can man become less bigoted? How does he do so if he can? I say bigotry is a mental illness that can be cured. How is not something I pretend to know but I am not sure that one approach is always to be preferred over another. In other words, I don't think it is always a good idea to be non pejorative to bigots especially since they are profoundly pejorative themselves.

I suppose it is a carrot and stick kind of thingi. Bigots, in my opinion, got to be bigots by being put down. Children are taught to hate themselves by calling them things that are hated by the group the child is a member of and threatening his social position and the love he receives by the threat of being ostracized out of that group and into some worthless classification.

I see no reason why this won't work in reverse. Bigots are not welcome in polite company and ostracizing them publicly and isolating them and identifying them as bigots may awaken them to what they are and how, in order to adjust to a sick family of tribe early in life, they now have become social pariahs and need to change to be members of the larger culture.

In short, I am not convinced there is no value in calling bigots the assholes that they are as part of treating their disease. Kindness and love affect the sickest most hateful people the least whereas kicking them in the teeth may get their attention. Not sure, of course, but it's something I think and wonder about.

I always remember that the answer to a fool is silence, since there is nothing at all you can tell a fool, but in the long run, as the saying goes, any answer will have the same effect. So it may not matter at all if you call a bigot a bigot or if you try to explain he has unconscious feelings about other folk that function autonomously and out of conscious control that mechanically determined how the bigot thinks and responds.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Craig is just as fucking daft as you, both extremists on either side, i don't give a fuck about either of you, you are both equally fucked up.

Is that clear enough or do i need to explain it further?

The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

It is not an "idiotic argument". Every bigot feels his bigotry is justified. I'm not saying that all forms of bigotry are equal, only that bigotry in any form is just that. The big difference between Craig and myself is that while we are *all* bigots I wouldn't point the finger at anyone without looking inward first, generally (hey, I ain't perfect). Craig's on my radar because he's a hypocrite, always the first to point his finger and scream without turing it on himself when it is most assuredly deserved.

An interesting tidbit is that if you looked closely at my posts over the years you would find that socially, I'm about as liberal as they come. My sardonic barbs find targets in all directions, its just that nanny state lefty hypocrites strike my fancy more often than the ridiculous righties. Prolly cuz I'm more bigoted against one than the other. Ah well.

IT'S A FUCKING FALLACY you fool, you can't use a logical fallacy to make a logical argument.

In the words of Theflyingpig, everyone knows this.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Craig is just as fucking daft as you, both extremists on either side, i don't give a fuck about either of you, you are both equally fucked up.

Is that clear enough or do i need to explain it further?

The "you are intolerant against the intolerant" argument is one i'll leave behind, it's so fucking stupid that even YOU should be able to understand that it's an idiotic argument.

It is not an "idiotic argument". Every bigot feels his bigotry is justified. I'm not saying that all forms of bigotry are equal, only that bigotry in any form is just that. The big difference between Craig and myself is that while we are *all* bigots I wouldn't point the finger at anyone without looking inward first, generally (hey, I ain't perfect). Craig's on my radar because he's a hypocrite, always the first to point his finger and scream without turing it on himself when it is most assuredly deserved.

An interesting tidbit is that if you looked closely at my posts over the years you would find that socially, I'm about as liberal as they come. My sardonic barbs find targets in all directions, its just that nanny state lefty hypocrites strike my fancy more often than the ridiculous righties. Prolly cuz I'm more bigoted against one than the other. Ah well.

I think that because of the pejorative nature of the term 'bigot' we ought to assign some elements to the term. I'd think 'irrational' ought to be an element as well as 'against a particular group of society', 'hate' and maybe a few other elements. One can call a bigot 'intolerant' but that is not being a bigot imo unless that intolerance is irrational and against a race, gender, sexual preference etc...

I'm going to go right ahead and agree with this post with this addition: irrational thoughts can never be a starting point for a rational argument.