In Canada they are, every 3 grades there are Provincial exams which the student has to pass to move up. 3,6,9 and 12.
In Canada they are, every 3 grades there are Provincial exams which the student has to pass to move up. 3,6,9 and 12.
BoberFett
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For the record, my daughter is home schooled and at the end of second grade in June she was required by the local district to be tested. According to state approved she is reading and writing at a third grade level, and her math and science skills and knowledge are at a fifth grade level. Either she's brilliant or children in public school are borderline retarded. In addition, she plays with her friends in the neighborhood daily, so don't start trolling about "socialization" or some other lame reason to stick children in those state funded day care centers we call schools.
Regardless , I have yet to see a convincing argument that public schools are better than home schooling.
Regardless , I have yet to see a convincing argument that public schools are better than home schooling.
Do we know how old the kid is? To teach someone 1st grade reading, you only need to be able to read at a first grade level. There's no reason to assume that the mom is going to attempt to teach at a higher level than she is competent at.
If you believe your child is average and are happy with that, public school is perfect. If you feel your child needs extra help or has the ability to be above average, you need to be more involved in your child's education. Public schools are just not equipped to deal with children who stray too far from the norm.
If you believe your child is average and are happy with that, public school is perfect. If you feel your child needs extra help or has the ability to be above average, you need to be more involved in your child's education. Public schools are just not equipped to deal with children who stray too far from the norm.
alkemyst
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Problem is most of pre-college schooling is about socialization. However; public schooled kids aren't getting that since parents watchdog them and home school kids don't get it because they don't get it either. Another thing home school kids usually have higher levels of along with their parents is prejudices. They focus in on how their way is always right and the only option. There are some good home school environments, most are created out of fear of sending little johnny to play with the other kids rather than having learning as center of attention.
Parents think by getting some of the like home schooled kids together once in a while is teaching something about getting along as a team but it's too closely monitored for the students to learn really how to get along alone.
People are growing up today not knowing how to act around others.
Also most of the downgrade in public schools is not so much due to the teachers, but rather the parents who think their kid deserves to be an A student even if it means dumbing it down for everyone. Today all kids make the team....unfortunately in real life these rules don't apply.
All the home-schooled kids I knew were, in general, more educated than the non-home-schooled kids I knew (I went to a public school) and they were all very nice individuals who had no problem making friends with kids attending public/private schools. On the other hand, I only knew a few home-schooled kids and I met them through nerdy science-related activities, so meh.
Either that craigslist post is a scam or someone is about to receive a very bad education. When you post something on the internet, you are representing yourself. If someone doesn't have the will or competence to publish something that's not full of spelling errors, what does it say about that person?
Either that craigslist post is a scam or someone is about to receive a very bad education. When you post something on the internet, you are representing yourself. If someone doesn't have the will or competence to publish something that's not full of spelling errors, what does it say about that person?
Where is your evidence in your last statement?
Most parents who home-school buy the same kind of teaching aids that public school teachers use. Face it, a kid who gets one on one time with a teacher 6 hours a day, every day will come out further ahead than a kid who doesn't get the same personal attention (even if the teacher is superior). The stats show home-schooling produces superior students.
alkemyst
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First, does buying a set of surgical tools make one a surgeon, how about a full set of Snap-On tools..is one ready to build a race car?
What percentage of home-school teachers have had higher level educations? What percentage of home-school teachers spend 6 hours with their kids?
Beating the mark set by public schools is not hard. Beating that mark though is not really what the education at pre-collegiate levels is about.
Many of those that take the fast track through college even graduating with honors don't make it far in the real world. They lack social skills needed to advance. Some do have it all though....these kids though I feel would succeed in public school as well. Most of the things I learned I self-read in school often ditching classes for lab time. I scored in the 90+ percentiles in my SAT/ACT/PCAT for pharmacy and was accepted to Pharmacy school prior to recieving my AA. Once I made it to college I took the classes I wanted to along with the ones I had too. If the tract said Biology or Zoology, I took both. When I thought Botany would show me some differences to animals/people I took that as well. My parents weren't directing me...they simply taught me what I needed to do on my own.
Home schooling is popular around here and you always see the parents at registration signing up their kids for what they want them to take...much of the time without them even present.
You are right home schooling does produce more 'better students' at the extremes and even averages...but statistically it doesn't produce better adults in the workforce and many times hampers free college money and enrollment in many programs. A home schooled kid is eliminated from many clubs and sports because of no background pre-college. Also many colleges look at them as a mystery and a big gamble as when mom and dad are not around to make sure things are done there is no telling what happens.
Many more home schooled and private religious type schooled students have a rough time adjusting to college away from home than I have seen those that went through public school.
This may be different today as public schools don't really teach home economics and shop, etc anymore. They are too much focused on letter grades than the stuff that really matters.
Fact is not every kid has the potential to become a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer, etc. College really levels the playing field though.
Almost all of your arguments are ignorant of homeschooling, unprovable, or anecdotal. I really can't spend all day picking them apart so I picked just the one most commonly used.
Yes, home schoolers often don't do well in the following situations:
1) The local drug dealer is pushing a new type of the drug of the day...
2) The local gang-banger is threatening you for your lunch money
3) Watching a student knife another student
4) Joining in the attempts to completely disrupt a class/break a teachers will.
5) Know the ins and outs of ditching class
6) Avoiding racial brawls
etc. etc.,
lots of those skills I learned in public schools. I have found that they really don't help me much, in the "real life".
Most homeschoolers participate in co-ops that provide plenty of socialization.
I will sum it up with one thing. We live in a (supposedly) free country, and anyone who is trying to force kids to go to a public school/control how home schooling is performed is essentially, and I hate to use the word but it fits, a communist.
Yes, home schoolers often don't do well in the following situations:
1) The local drug dealer is pushing a new type of the drug of the day...
2) The local gang-banger is threatening you for your lunch money
3) Watching a student knife another student
4) Joining in the attempts to completely disrupt a class/break a teachers will.
5) Know the ins and outs of ditching class
6) Avoiding racial brawls
etc. etc.,
lots of those skills I learned in public schools. I have found that they really don't help me much, in the "real life".
Most homeschoolers participate in co-ops that provide plenty of socialization.
I will sum it up with one thing. We live in a (supposedly) free country, and anyone who is trying to force kids to go to a public school/control how home schooling is performed is essentially, and I hate to use the word but it fits, a communist.
Originally posted by: mugs
By and large.
Sorry, but I hate when people screw up idioms, and since this thread is all about making fun of someone's errors in an Internet posting I figured it was appropriate.
I don't think you should have capitalized internet.
So you prefer that your kids not learn how to deal with life. Your examples may be extremes in the real world, but not as much as we would all like to believe. Where do the racists and drug dealers go after they graduate? They are on the streets, at their job, in their colleges, etc., etc. I don't have a problem with home-schooling, per se, but overall the social aspect is greater than the educational aspect. I would argue that most book learning in schools is irrelevant to life after about 6th grade. That's when kids start into Algebra, Chemistry, Literature, etc., stuff that has very little broad use in the real world. Maybe we should introduce trade schools at a younger age, rather than waste time trying to educate people from 7th to 12th grade and just get them focused on a skill set that reflects their mindset a little better. Fact is, school is a microcosm of the world. I've never seen anyone get stabbed in real life or at school, but I'm sure it goes on in both places. Schools are more reflective of society than a creator of anti-social behaviors. I'd rather have my kid learn it at 16, when he/she still has a chance to reboot, than when they are out on their own for the first time. When someone takes advantage or abuses you in the real world, the consequences are usually much more severe than your average public school hallway.
DainBramaged
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My siblings and I have all been home-schooled. There are certain aspects that I regret about my education, but all of them are in social aspects. My parents were able to give me a very responsive education, academically. I just fear more for my brothers and sisters, who are not as open-minded and outgoing as myself.
Personally, I won't do it with my kids unless it becomes necessary.
I see, it was the OP's own bad grammar that thru me
That's two sentence fragments connected with a dash. Another pot calling the kettle black.
Anyway, one does not need to be a qualified teacher to home school their children.
DainBramaged
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Cdubneeddeal
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Maybe she's not really donating to the food bank? I just think it's weird that she would trade pens and pencils for food. I mean, what kind of people would trade food items and morally take the stuff?
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