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Discussion Homeschooling hot mess

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ivwshane said:
I agree but then no public money should go to home schooling and only a GED can be given provided the student takes the test at the same location anyone else would (as in not their house).
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That would be better. Currently homeschooling families must higher a NH certified teacher to admin the two required state test on Academics, but this usually takes place at the child's home. (unless it's changed recently).
 
Ajay said:
That would be better. Currently homeschooling families must higher a NH certified teacher to admin the two required state test on Academics, but this usually takes place at the child's home. (unless it's changed recently).
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Are you saying they can't just get a GED through whatever the standard process is in your state, or is this scenario specific to those who want a "high school diploma" fearing a negative perception of a GED versus a standard diploma? My kid was technically homeschooled (we used a couple online schools) for his last two years of HS, and then got a GED from the same location in town anyone else getting a GED would have.
 
Home and many Private Christian Schools really need Oversight. Many choose those options because they are not interested in a good Education in the first place and both of these deliver.
 
nakedfrog said:
Are you saying they can't just get a GED through whatever the standard process is in your state, or is this scenario specific to those who want a "high school diploma" fearing a negative perception of a GED versus a standard diploma? My kid was technically homeschooled (we used a couple online schools) for his last two years of HS, and then got a GED from the same location in town anyone else getting a GED would have.
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Public/Private SchoolHomeschool
New Hampshire diploma requirementsStudents must complete 20 credit hours in English, mathematics, science, US and NH history and government, Economics, World History or Geography, Health, Physical Education, Art, Information and Communications Technology, and 6 credits in electives.Parents determine when their student has fulfilled graduation requirements and can issue their own homeschool diploma; students of private/online schools may receive diplomas from those institutions.
New Hampshire high school testing requirements**11th graders take the College Board School Day SAT and the NH SAS for science.Homeschool students are not subject to testing requirements for graduation.
New Hampshire high school transcriptsComplete a transcript request form and mail to the NHDE. Fee is $20 per transcript.Homeschool parents may create their own student transcripts, and may include any information they deem pertinent to colleges, military, and/or future workplace organizations.
New Hampshire high school course creditsStudents must complete 20 credit hours: 4 English, 3 math, 2 science, 2 history and social studies, ½ Information and Communication Technology, ½ Economics, ½ art, ½ health, 1 Physical Education, and 6 credits in electives.Parents determine when their student has fulfilled graduation requirements; for the purpose of creating transcripts, some homeschool parents do assign credits to individual courses.
GED eligibilityStudents must be 18 (16 – 17 year olds can file a waiver) and be residents of NH at time of test.The same requirements for eligibility apply to homeschoolers as to public school students.

So, I guess things have changed a bit (**). These are just the minimums. There are options for homeschoolers to have their academic progress tracked each year by a certified teacher. It appears homeschoolers must get a GED for many reason (college entry, military service and the many companies that require that). However, homeschoolers can use their own diplomas (usually downloaded from an online site). The NHDOE provides many resources for parents that wish to use them. There are also plenty of online schools to provided a better education, particularly in specialty areas (similar to what you did). Anyway, I don't really know enough about homeschooling in NH to provide any sort of expert guidance - other than a cursory review that is a bit disappointing in that the requirements for testing are optional.
 
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Ajay said:
Public/Private SchoolHomeschool
New Hampshire diploma requirementsStudents must complete 20 credit hours in English, mathematics, science, US and NH history and government, Economics, World History or Geography, Health, Physical Education, Art, Information and Communications Technology, and 6 credits in electives.Parents determine when their student has fulfilled graduation requirements and can issue their own homeschool diploma; students of private/online schools may receive diplomas from those institutions.
New Hampshire high school testing requirements11th graders take the College Board School Day SAT and the NH SAS for science.Homeschool students are not subject to testing requirements for graduation.
New Hampshire high school transcriptsComplete a transcript request form and mail to the NHDE. Fee is $20 per transcript.Homeschool parents may create their own student transcripts, and may include any information they deem pertinent to colleges, military, and/or future workplace organizations.
New Hampshire high school course creditsStudents must complete 20 credit hours: 4 English, 3 math, 2 science, 2 history and social studies, ½ Information and Communication Technology, ½ Economics, ½ art, ½ health, 1 Physical Education, and 6 credits in electives.Parents determine when their student has fulfilled graduation requirements; for the purpose of creating transcripts, some homeschool parents do assign credits to individual courses.
GED eligibilityStudents must be 18 (16 – 17 year olds can file a waiver) and be residents of NH at time of test.The same requirements for eligibility apply to homeschoolers as to public school students.
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Oh, yeah, we did need to get a waiver because he was 17, but it wasn't a big deal, and if we'd waited until he was 18, that wouldn't have been necessary.
But that does also seem to indicate that your state's requirements have indeed changed, and parents can just give their kid a diploma whenever they feel like it? Obviously it would be up to employers/schools if they'd accept that diploma as valid...
 
sandorski said:
Home and many Private Christian Schools really need Oversight. Many choose those options because they are not interested in a good Education in the first place and both of these deliver.
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They don't, it is personal, private education matter, the only oversight they need is probably a certification of homeschooling

Not everyone wants to push their child in these public schools
 
GettyRoad said:
They don't, it is personal, private education matter, the only oversight they need is probably a certification of homeschooling

Not everyone wants to push their child in these public schools
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You're conflating (dishonestly in my opinion because you've done it repeatedly) demanding standards and accountability to make sure kids are actually educated with forcing everyone to use public schools.
 
nakedfrog said:
Oh, yeah, we did need to get a waiver because he was 17, but it wasn't a big deal, and if we'd waited until he was 18, that wouldn't have been necessary.
But that does also seem to indicate that your state's requirements have indeed changed, and parents can just give their kid a diploma whenever they feel like it? Obviously it would be up to employers/schools if they'd accept that diploma as valid...
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Seems like getting a GED is pretty much a no brainer. I have no idea how many homeschooled kids are skipping that step. Maybe they can get away with it if they are going into the trades.
 
brycejones said:
You're conflating (dishonestly in my opinion because you've done it repeatedly) demanding standards and accountability to make sure kids are actually educated with forcing everyone to use public schools.
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Standards and accountability will be given to by the parents or that specific home schooled teacher. It's like a home aide nurse entering a home 5 days a week, that person has a license, I believe.

As long as that parent has a homeschool certificate....
 
GettyRoad said:
Standards and accountability will be given to by the parents or that specific home schooled teacher. It's like a home aide nurse entering a home 5 days a week, that person has a license, I believe.

As long as that parent has a homeschool certificate....
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Are you saying the parents need a certificate in order to be able to homeschool?

Or that the parents will determine the standards and accountability themselves?
 
John Oliver did a whole piece on it:

He pretty much sums up that how he think it should be, is how we have it here in Denmark:

You are allowed to home school, but the social services have to ensure that the children are not suffering or are being abused from their parents, and that the curriculum lives up to the same standard as the public school system.
 
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nakedfrog said:
Oh, yeah, we did need to get a waiver because he was 17, but it wasn't a big deal, and if we'd waited until he was 18, that wouldn't have been necessary.
But that does also seem to indicate that your state's requirements have indeed changed, and parents can just give their kid a diploma whenever they feel like it? Obviously it would be up to employers/schools if they'd accept that diploma as valid...
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Yeah. I was disappointed to read this. Really, WTFBBQ.
 
Just to highlight this isn't a small problem - between 5% and 7% of all students are now home-schooled - up from near 0 in the 1970's when almost everyone attended pubic school. Somewhere around 3-3.5 million homeschooled in U.S. each year, for the last couple years. While there are exceptions I know that had excellent educations, that isn't typical to have a skilled educator at home. Far more typical is the fundamental Christian, "spare the rod spoil the child", believing that modern biology, science, history, and of course gender equality are all the work of the devil and lies - and the primary role of government should be to enforce their religious beliefs upon all of America.
www.nheri.org

How Many Homeschool Students are there in the United States during the 2021-2022 School Year?

Copyright © 2022 by Brian D. Ray Abstract The purpose of this study is to estimate the number of homeschool students in the United States during the 2021-2022 academic school year. The estimate is …
www.nheri.org www.nheri.org
And even better, that initial spike of homeschooled in the '90's are now settling in with their kids becoming 2nd generation home-"schooled".
 
Dave_5k said:
Far more typical is the fundamental Christian, "spare the rod spoil the child", believing that modern biology, science, history, and of course gender equality are all the work of the devil and lies - and the primary role of government should be to enforce their religious beliefs upon all of America.
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Is that from a different article?
 
Ajay said:
Is that from a different article?
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Apologies, also WAPO article behind firewall prompted the search for statistics (gifted here without firewall) ~ on positive side of some 2nd generation homeschooled taking their kids back into public schools (although a minority of the movement), along with some of the indoctrination they went through themselves as children:

"Aaron and Christina had never attended school when they were children. Until a few days earlier, when Round Hill Elementary held a back-to-school open house, they had rarely set foot inside a school building. Both had been raised to believe that public schools were tools of a demonic social order, government “indoctrination camps” devoted to the propagation of lies and the subversion of Christian families."
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"That movement, led by deeply conservative Christians, saw home schooling as a way of life — a conscious rejection of contemporary ideas about biology, history, gender equality and the role of religion in American government.
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"Aaron had grown up believing Christians could out-populate atheists and Muslims by scorning birth control; Christina had been taught the Bible-based arithmetic necessary to calculate the age of a universe less than 8,000 years old. Their education was one in which dinosaurs were herded aboard Noah’s ark — and in which the penalty for doubt or disobedience was swift. Sometimes they still flinched when they remembered their parents’ literal adherence to the words of the Old Testament: “Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die.”
 
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